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  SirBalin

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OP  10/16/11 12:49:42 AM#101

The worst part of this, is that it does make sense to have open world pvp...I get that some don't want it, and I respect that there are different types of players, but you can make pvp make sense in any game.  More and more games are beginning to have pve and pvp servers, which is great.  Here's the problem that i'm starting to see though.  Pver's want the more content driven story lines, pvpers want the open world and I can kill who I want when I need to, etc.  So you would think that its a simple solution, give the pver's waht they want and then make a pvp server for the pvpers.  Well...thats not happening because the pve community is far more vocal and active in forums,e tc...so the pvers get what they want, then the pvers begin saying what they want on a pvp server, so we get a pve server with no pvp, then a pvp server with so many guidelines that its still making the pver's happy and the pvpers get nothing.  I will say, SWTOR seems to have it right, they will be catering to both sides...I didn't think they were...but they have. Wow, they did it right...like the game or not...they have a true pve and pvp server (many)  Game developers need to really look at this as the way to go...

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  czekoskwigel

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10/16/11 12:58:02 AM#102
Originally posted by afhn2110

The worst part of this, is that it does make sense to have open world pvp...I get that some don't want it, and I respect that there are different types of players, but you can make pvp make sense in any game.  More and more games are beginning to have pve and pvp servers, which is great.  Here's the problem that i'm starting to see though.  Pver's want the more content driven story lines, pvpers want the open world and I can kill who I want when I need to, etc.  So you would think that its a simple solution, give the pver's waht they want and then make a pvp server for the pvpers.  Well...thats not happening because the pve community is far more vocal and active in forums,e tc...so the pvers get what they want, then the pvers begin saying what they want on a pvp server, so we get a pve server with no pvp, then a pvp server with so many guidelines that its still making the pver's happy and the pvpers get nothing.  I will say, SWTOR seems to have it right, they will be catering to both sides...I didn't think they were...but they have. Wow, they did it right...like the game or not...they have a true pve and pvp server (many)  Game developers need to really look at this as the way to go...

They have made pvp that makes sense in this game... it's simply not open world, which would NOT make sense.

  Vhaln

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10/16/11 6:09:29 AM#103

For some of us, instanced battlegrounds never make sense.  In any MMO.

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  Purutzil

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10/16/11 6:16:00 AM#104

Lets face it, free world PvP for what it is for, tends to be "Player against Player who stands no chance". There really is little actually 'competition', most fighting being rather one sided. I'm not at all against it. Free pvp everywhere usually causes more grief then fun, unless your one of those players finding fun out of killing someone who stands no chance. 

  Yamota

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10/16/11 6:24:53 AM#105

So does this mean we wont even have so called PvP lakes, in the persistant world like Warhammer Online?

If not then this game is out of the question for me. PvE plus battlegrounds is simply not enough to hold my interest.

But I cannot say I am surprised. This is Funcom after all and they have never been good at doing PvP.

  Yamota

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10/16/11 6:25:55 AM#106
Originally posted by Vhaln

For some of us, instanced battlegrounds never make sense.  In any MMO.

They make sense for PvP training but for real PvP, open world is the only way that works well.

  xKingdomx

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10/16/11 6:34:47 AM#107
Originally posted by Purutzil

Lets face it, free world PvP for what it is for, tends to be "Player against Player who stands no chance". There really is little actually 'competition', most fighting being rather one sided. I'm not at all against it. Free pvp everywhere usually causes more grief then fun, unless your one of those players finding fun out of killing someone who stands no chance. 

Agree.

 

In a perfect world, open world PvP works. But most MMO players are mostly number crunchers, they don't do anything that are risky. They like to know they have a good chance on winning before going into battle. The fact that for PvP, your gear is the 95% winning factor, makes it so that, if you aren't weel equipped to take on tougher opponents, you most probably won't do it anyways. Thats why MMO have parsers and meters to show your numbers, and compare it with others. MMO combat is about having the highest number.

 

And worse is that MMO developers don't even try to disguise the fact.

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  Yamota

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10/16/11 8:03:14 AM#108
Originally posted by xKingdomx
Originally posted by Purutzil

Lets face it, free world PvP for what it is for, tends to be "Player against Player who stands no chance". There really is little actually 'competition', most fighting being rather one sided. I'm not at all against it. Free pvp everywhere usually causes more grief then fun, unless your one of those players finding fun out of killing someone who stands no chance. 

Agree.

 

In a perfect world, open world PvP works. But most MMO players are mostly number crunchers, they don't do anything that are risky. They like to know they have a good chance on winning before going into battle. The fact that for PvP, your gear is the 95% winning factor, makes it so that, if you aren't weel equipped to take on tougher opponents, you most probably won't do it anyways. Thats why MMO have parsers and meters to show your numbers, and compare it with others. MMO combat is about having the highest number.

 

And worse is that MMO developers don't even try to disguise the fact.

You are make very general statements about PvP. First of all it depends on the game about how much equipment is winning factor. For example in Asherons Call your gear was maybe 33% of the factor, another 33% your level/skills and the last 33% your skills as a player. But in games like WAR then yes, gear was the biggest deciding factor.

Also about going into PvP or not, it again depends on the game. Games like Eve, where the death penalty is huge, then yes. Most people wont get into a battle unless they know they will win. But in games like WAR, where death means almost nothing, you have people engaging into PvP alot more recklessly.

So it all depends on how the designers design the game.

  cheyane

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10/16/11 8:20:21 AM#109

I do not mind PvP as long as there is no looting. I like to PvP for fun but the minute the other side starts to get loot rights and stuff I am out of that game. I enjoyed PvP in WoW when they had that open world stuff in Tarren Mills. I also liked the BGs when your honor deteriorated week by week.

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  DarkPony

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10/16/11 8:25:23 AM#110
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Shoju
Originally posted by DarkPony

Don't deny those who love world pvp their fun, I am not denying you your fun (on pve servers) either.

They aren't denying anyone any fun.  They just aren't making the type of game that you are looking for.   

Yes, by denying me my fun. Is it so hard to place yourself in someone else's shoes?

If they would have announced: World PVP servers only, I personally would have understood people protesting about that very well.

In my eyes, mmorpg's not catering for both kind of playstyles are doing it wrong and are bound to invoke the wrath of those who feel left out. Which makes my stance on this very predictable and reasonable, really.

:: said in Beaver Cleaver voice :: But gee, Pony, ya know that anyone who likes open world PVP are automaticlly griefing douche bags who only ever pick fights with those many levels below them, and never ever, get killed by more powerful players themselves. They can't possibly be players who enjoy testing their mettle and taking risks against actuall human opponents because NPC AI's can't fight their way out of a paper bag. And also players that hate open world PVP yet build their characters on a server with a PVP ruleset anyway are automatically exempt from having to participate. And have every right to throw a screaming wobbler if another player even gives them a meaningful look. How dare we ruin their fun. Its great a company finally decided to just make sure these lilly white saints won't have to worry about being party to such cruel fortunes of fate by just freezing the open world PVP player base out entirely, and only allowing PVP in sanctioned and sanitized areas where it won't upset anyone.

 

It also makes perfect sense to create factions with incredibly juxtiposed ideals that prety much hate each other, yet all of them are polite enough not to ever attack each other in public. You know, just like how it happens in the real world.

/sarcasm off

Oh well *bleep* it. TSW just slipped right off my radar.

An awfully long diatribe there Tard just to say you like ganking lowbies.  The kind of pvp you could find in Lineage or DAoC is so long gone.  Open world pvp was fun then, but now it's just AoC White Sands style gankfests where people gank lowbies that have no chance.

Open pvp has ruined itself and pushed itself out of the mainstream.  Basically the gankers have no one to blame but themselves.  The rest of the mmo world, including people love pvp, don't want to play with people like that.

FFA works in FPS because everyone is on a more level playing field.  FFA doesn't work in MMOs for fairly obvious reasons.

This is already going to be a niche game, they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they made it ffa pvp.  Maybe you guys will get lucky and they'll give you a pvp server.

That was my awfully long diatribe to say, I have no sympathy for the gankers.

You should read it again, though. Doesn't look like you got his points ... at all.

 

  Nymandus

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10/16/11 8:28:46 AM#111

That is great news.

 

In my experience, the more pvp in a game, the more:

1. Balancing Issues

2. Class nerfs

3. Stat nerfs

4. Item nerfs

5. more patches

6. Forum rage over too many nerfs

7. Forum rage over not enough nerfs

8. Crying

9. Rage quits

 

Etc. etc. So the less pvp in the world the better.

  DarkPony

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10/16/11 8:37:30 AM#112
Originally posted by Nymandus

That is great news.

 

In my experience, the more pvp in a game, the more:

1. Balancing Issues

2. Class nerfs

3. Stat nerfs

4. Item nerfs

5. more patches

6. Forum rage over too many nerfs

7. Forum rage over not enough nerfs

8. Crying

9. Rage quits

 

Etc. etc. So the less pvp in the world the better.

Balance issues will also surface with only instanced pvp. Or are you saying that people shouldn't compete with eachother in combat AT ALL in mmorpg's? Kind of defeats the purpose of playing one in the first place for me.

 

 

 

  xKingdomx

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10/16/11 8:57:48 AM#113
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by xKingdomx
Originally posted by Purutzil

Lets face it, free world PvP for what it is for, tends to be "Player against Player who stands no chance". There really is little actually 'competition', most fighting being rather one sided. I'm not at all against it. Free pvp everywhere usually causes more grief then fun, unless your one of those players finding fun out of killing someone who stands no chance. 

Agree.

 

In a perfect world, open world PvP works. But most MMO players are mostly number crunchers, they don't do anything that are risky. They like to know they have a good chance on winning before going into battle. The fact that for PvP, your gear is the 95% winning factor, makes it so that, if you aren't weel equipped to take on tougher opponents, you most probably won't do it anyways. Thats why MMO have parsers and meters to show your numbers, and compare it with others. MMO combat is about having the highest number.

 

And worse is that MMO developers don't even try to disguise the fact.

You are make very general statements about PvP. First of all it depends on the game about how much equipment is winning factor. For example in Asherons Call your gear was maybe 33% of the factor, another 33% your level/skills and the last 33% your skills as a player. But in games like WAR then yes, gear was the biggest deciding factor.

Also about going into PvP or not, it again depends on the game. Games like Eve, where the death penalty is huge, then yes. Most people wont get into a battle unless they know they will win. But in games like WAR, where death means almost nothing, you have people engaging into PvP alot more recklessly.

So it all depends on how the designers design the game.

Sorry I guess I should've specific a bit more. But yeah, I was commenting on modern MMORPG, Asheron Call is a bit old to be called modern? I haven't played it so I don't really know about it.

Also most modern MMORPG, WAR included, is the whole level segregation, level presents too much of a barrier for anyone to overcome, no matter how skillful they are. Yea, you see more people in WAR engage in PvP recklessly, but you don't see them go up against people higher level than them because they know there are absolutely no chance for them.

There isn't much design to do in a typical MMORPG, too much design restrictions, every one of them plays out in the same way. Health bar, hot key bar, tab target, Attack Points, mana, crafting, explorations. Is there any variations?

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  SirBalin

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OP  10/16/11 9:40:15 AM#114

I'm just going to go ahead and say what every true pvper reading this forum is thinking...all of you saying things like, "open world pvp is not fun" or "open world pvp is just for gankers and doesn't make sense" or "open world pvp is so stupid and takes no skill"  well...these are the comments of the BADS.  Most of you are just good at pve, but suck at pve...so, you don't like it because you are bad...but don't call the open world pvp system bad.  I bet if you guys were winning those open world fights, you wouldn't be saying these things...

 

The only thing you need in an open pvp setting (ffa) is a important karma system with major consenquences, such as L2.  As far as faction based, you should always be able to attack opposing factions when you are against each other.

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  cinos

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10/16/11 9:54:35 AM#115
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

So just like SW:TOR, TSW will also be a CORPG, falsely labeled as a massively-multiplayer online game, unless ones definition of MMO is 100's of players cooperating and competing in text-writing/chatting within a general chat-box simultaneoulsy.

Shows you know very little about Swtor.

Which will in fact offer pvp servers with open world pvp as well as objective based world pvp with territorial control on all kinds of servers. (and also a means to get your pvp gear just through world pvp if you dislike instanced pvp).

TSW is much more shaping up like GW2: Three factions yet no pvp in the open game world, to name two smashing similarities.

 

Considering that world pvp in ToR doesn't start till around lvl 30, I'm thinking you are overestimating the pvp experience Bioware are making.

You can't even really do the objectives on the pvp planet till you are lvl 50.

 

On a side note, you keep banging on about this whole world pvp and GW2's lack of it, but I already explained to you months ago that the 'mysts' are in essence a pvp zone where you are flagged the moment you enter. How is this any different from world pvp in any other MMO? You have safe zones and you have zones where you are flagged to be ganked. If the only difference is that entering the mysts may not be 'seamless' then I think you are underestimating what this pvp could potentially offer.

Edit: One more point. You can enter the mysts and start 'open world' pvping from the start of the game (excepting tutorial of course). You can even lvl to 80 just by pvping in the mysts. This is not something you can do in ToR through open world pvp alone.

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10/16/11 9:55:15 AM#116
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Sebali
while i dont need massive open world pvp, i do need some form of it. its a shame, was really looking forward to this




At what point were you expecting this to be an open world pvp game? They said, before now, that this was not an open world PvP game. The world is PvE, where you can group with anyone, regardless of faction, and the PvP happens in the battle grounds or the open pvp zones.

 

This is how I understood the game would function, not another niche PvP game, but one that focuses on PvE.

However I can see the 3 faction element of the game being expanded apon, either via a future patch or more likely in an expansion, it would be a missed opportunity to totally ignore the PvP possibilties, and the fact alot of gamers have been looking for a decent 3 faction game after DAoC.

 

 

  lizardbones

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10/16/11 9:58:54 AM#117

In my experience, unless the pvp is designed in from the start as 'open world pvp', then it doesn't add anything to the game. In this particular case, even in the initial planning stages, PvP was never going to be in the open world. It was going to happen in the hollow earth, away from everything else.

Having open world PvP would not add anything to this game as designed. It would, in fact, take away from the game as people are expected to complete PvE content with groups that can be made up of all three factions.

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  Grintch

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10/16/11 10:05:01 AM#118

Has anyone ever thought for a minute that maybe PVP is not as popular as you think?

  askdaboss

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10/16/11 10:12:51 AM#119
Originally posted by Grintch

Has anyone ever thought for a minute that maybe PVP is not as popular as you think?

Yep. Now let me ask you: have you thought for a minute that maybe PvP is more popular than you think?

On topic, though, as pointed out by other people, they said that from the beginning (that game would not be open world PvP).

That aside, there will be faction conflict in the "open world" (i.e. the PvE world), but if I understand properly it will be about keeping information secret and making your faction progress faster than the others rather than basic armed conflict over strategic objectives.

I find that rather consistent with the chosen setting and lore (OUR modern world) where you don't see people from corporations running around with guns... Now, what happens in the background (mists, battlegrounds, etc.) is another story.

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10/16/11 10:19:08 AM#120
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

So just like SW:TOR, TSW will also be a CORPG, falsely labeled as a massively-multiplayer online game, unless ones definition of MMO is 100's of players cooperating and competing in text-writing/chatting within a general chat-box simultaneoulsy.

Shows you know very little about Swtor.

Which will in fact offer pvp servers with open world pvp as well as objective based world pvp with territorial control on all kinds of servers. (and also a means to get your pvp gear just through world pvp if you dislike instanced pvp).

TSW is much more shaping up like GW2: Three factions yet no pvp in the open game world, to name two smashing similarities.

 

Considering that world pvp in ToR doesn't start till around lvl 30, I'm thinking you are overestimating the pvp experience Bioware are making.

How long does it take to get there? A few weeks on average? I'm fine with that. I'm ok with getting your bearing and get used to a game, your class and enjoy the story for a while.

You can't even really do the objectives on the pvp planet till you are lvl 50.

If so: we'll all end up there sooner or later. But next to that, on pvp servers you can go out and explore to find your enemy faction much earlier if you so desire. There are pvp related objectives on other planets too. (Not that I need those incentives very much: I prefer the RP'd group pvp incentives you can come up with yourself as a player).

On a side note, you keep banging on about this whole world pvp and GW2's lack of it, but I already explained to you months ago that the 'mysts' are in essence a pvp zone where you are flagged the moment you enter. How is this any different from world pvp in any other MMO? You have safe zones and you have zones where you are flagged to be ganked. If the only difference is that entering the mysts may not be 'seamless' then I think you are underestimating what this pvp could potentially offer.

Please note I wasn't even that judgemental in above post. I just noted the similarities between TSW and GW2.

And please note: I never said that WvWvW can't be a lot of fun.

... but it is no open world pvp, which doesn't only bring pvp encounters, but also excitement. Having to be on your guard while you are out in the world doing other stuff, helping friends and guildies out facestomping gankers, fighting over objectives YOU picked , rather than those the game picked for you. Building reputations and cherrishing wraths for others who also play on your server, just to name just a few aspects in which WvWvW is not the same as world pvp.

It isn't so much about how much fun the Mysts will be, to me it is about the lack of freedom and excitement in the rest of the gameworld. I hope you understand that.

Edit: One more point. You can enter the mysts and start 'open world' pvping from the start of the game (excepting tutorial of course). You can even lvl to 80 just by pvping in the mysts. This is not something you can do in ToR through open world pvp alone.

That's cool. I just hope it won't be boring and "same old, same old" once you finally get to level 80. I'm fine with limited access to world pvp at earlier levels if that means there won't be too much artificial stat-boosting mechanics in place.

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