Originally posted by Neiko

Everyone clearly has their reasons for buying/not buying either or of the games. Some reasons, not that great. TL2 and D3 are going to be 2 different games in the same genre. Like Sins of a Solar Empire and Starcraft. They're both real time strategy games, but play differently. I just don't see why some people can't live with the fact some people will buy both.

Also, for those of who you won't buy Diablo 3 for the reason of it being more popular/going to have larger sales, and buying TL2 instead... HIPSTER ALERT.

Can't talk for anyone else than myself, but for me it's not about the sales. The last game I bought was starcraft 2. I think what most people, who are not buying D3, can't get over from is the design choices made by blizzard. I was looking forward to the D3 release, but as time went by and blizzard revealed more game features, I was eventually put off. The icing on the cake was the RMH AH. I mean, I am not going to bend over and take it, and I am certainly not going to support such a business in any way. 

Oh, and I won't be buying T2 either, might play PoE.

Originally posted by darkbalth

Then buy the original diablo but dont say the new one is horrible because it is different and made by someone else.  Thats like saying new mustangs are horrible because they are not the same as the ones made in the 60s.

I dont think many people are saying the game is horrible, they are just saying it doesnt seem as good in their opinion.  Diablo 3 is no MO or VG by any means so its a good game, but that level of good varies to everyone. And everyone is entitiled to their opinion.  

No service style online play for T2 kills it for me. I will still pick it up for the SP probably and to play coop with a couple of friends, but it won't last longer then a usual 20$ game lasts for me. You really need a secure service with stable servers to run the game on so that you don't have to deal with hackers. The fact that you can mod the game does not excite me at all considering how bad most user addons are due to the lack of quality, it also adds fuel to my fire of cheating on servers that are not hosted on a secure network. 

Originally posted by Zimba

Originally posted by Neiko

Everyone clearly has their reasons for buying/not buying either or of the games. Some reasons, not that great. TL2 and D3 are going to be 2 different games in the same genre. Like Sins of a Solar Empire and Starcraft. They're both real time strategy games, but play differently. I just don't see why some people can't live with the fact some people will buy both.

Also, for those of who you won't buy Diablo 3 for the reason of it being more popular/going to have larger sales, and buying TL2 instead... HIPSTER ALERT.

Can't talk for anyone else than myself, but for me it's not about the sales. The last game I bought was starcraft 2. I think what most people, who are not buying D3, can't get over from is the design choices made by blizzard. I was looking forward to the D3 release, but as time went by and blizzard revealed more game features, I was eventually put off. The icing on the cake was the RMH AH. I mean, I am not going to bend over and take it, and I am certainly not going to support such a business in any way. 

Oh, and I won't be buying T2 either, might play PoE.

Your reasons are your own though, and perfectly plausible. I don't understand the people who hate to hate. I personally love SC2, and I will at least highly like Diablo 3. I will also at least like Torchlight 2. I really dislike the art style for torchlight, and would much rather have a gritty real look, but that isn't going to happen. That specific issue also would not prevent me from buying a possibly good game.

Originally posted by mindblwn

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by mindblwn

OP is really stupid or good troll.

This isn't a race. It isn't even close. T2 won't even capture a decent sized niche. In fact, I'm guessing that torchlight will go out of business after they are get gang-r***ed by Blizzard, Trion, and BioWare. It's mainly because EVERYONE has heard of Diablo series. 99.99% of the gamer population doesnt know what torchlight is. 99.99% of the population never played torchlight. 99.99% of the population will NOT play T2. If you have $50 to spend on T2, go ahead and either burn it or invest in a penny stock. 

 

All of this arguing is a waste of your time. You could have been playing a well polished game right now like StarCraft or Rift. Don't worry about me, I'm doing anything to avoid cleaning my apartment. 

Oh how brainwashed you are by the big brand developers.

Torchlight 2, like the first Torchlight, is being headed by two of the three guys that were at the head of Blizzard North when Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 created. No one of importance that had anything to do with Diablo 1 or 2 has any involvement with Diablo 3 what so ever. It's a bunch of no name developers under Activision-Blizzard's corporate umbrella with no vision other than copying Diablo 2, slapping an RMAH into the game, and dumbing it down for the masses.

So if your love for Diablo 3 is based on enjoying the first two Diablo games, well sorry to say, but you're in for a big dissapointment. Torchlight 2 will be more of a successor to the Diablo franchise than Diablo 3 will be.

I'm sure Diablo 3 will outsell Torchlight 2, but honestly I'd rather Torchlight 2 remain more obscure so it avoids the plague of lowest common denominator gamers that gobble up whatever Blizzard throws at them, "because it's Blizzard and everything they do is awsome!" Almost everything that made the Diablo franchise great is being stripped out and replaced with simplified mechanics.

Oh and, Torchlight 2 will be $20, not $50. Some developers actually price their games realistically, and don't try to gouge their players with additional fees.

Are you really so ignorant? Do you realize how many people have left Blizzard and formed new companies?  Remember that Flagship Studios made 8 Blizzard execs go bankrupt. 

You see, they made a shitty game. Only a small minority of truly retarded kids (like the one above) will actually buy this crap. You have fallen for the old lie of "we are the true devlopers of popular game X, but the big bad corporation is keeping us down". Remember Castaway entertainment? 9 other disgruntled Blizzard employees. All went bankrupt. 

What we will see next is T2 go bankrupt. Then some "Former Blizzard" employee will create a new scam to sell kids like you. Oh wait. That happened. It's called Trion Worlds and they made Rift. 

Ingorance is truly bliss, huh kid. 

First of all, kid? I'm older than you are, "kid".

Second, Runic didn't go bankrupt after releasing the first Torchlight, so what makes you think that it will go bankrupt after releasing Torchlight 2? Yes other spin off studios have done poorly and gone under, but Runic has done quite well with the first in the Torchlight series. Whether you want to accept it or not, they're doing just fine and they will continue to with the release of Torchlight 2.

And what does Trion have to do anything? Rift is a decent game and Trion is doing just fine too. In fact, they seem to be putting Blizzard and WoW to shame with how fast they're pumping out quality content for Rift. So how is it a scam? Rift is similar to how WoW is, just like how WoW is similar to EQ.

As for ignorance, you tell me how it is, you seem to be basking in it yourself.

I'll get Torchlight 2 before I get Diablo 3 at this rate.  However, I want to play Path of Exile more than both of them.

I'd like to know where people get this stupid assumption that everyone that is choosing not to play Diablo 3 is doing so because of the RMAH.  I mean, WTF?  Very few people have actually named THAT as their reason for not choosing to play D3. 

For me it's more about the fact that they've taken so much character development control away from the player.  It has drained the roleplaying out of the game.  Not having control over stats and skills is DUMB AS FUCK.  Therefore, I will play T2.  Has little to nothing to do with price of the game, although that's certainly a PERK, and has NOTHING at all to do with the RMAH.

I'm just sayin'.....we're not all blindly hating or anti-RMAH either.

I'll probably get D3 instead of Torchlight, I've bought everthing diablo, and haven't been disappointed, except in recent years with all the spam bots you get on D2...but gameplay wise it's great.

While I always enjoyed and have purchased all the Fate games and the original Torchlight, there is really no comparison between what TL2 will be and what D3 is posied to become. The scope and depth of D3 is far beyond that of TL2. I don't care if TL2 can be modded, D3 will be so good you won't want or need to mod it. I also don't care that you can't lan D3. I have a reliable 40mbps connection at home and I don't forsee any issues if I want to have a "lan" party at my house. TL2 will be a blast for $20, but it's simply not in the same league with D3. As far as the TL2 launch window goes, I left my thoughts on that in this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328275

Just curious about something . Diablo III will you have to play it online ( I know you ahve to be connected but can you play off their servers and on your computer after the initial conenction) , is the offline mode workable. I rather not have any people coming into my game or spamming my private match.

Originally posted by Gravarg

I'll probably get D3 instead of Torchlight, I've bought everthing diablo, and haven't been disappointed, except in recent years with all the spam bots you get on D2...but gameplay wise it's great.

 I thought the same too, until I found out we can no longer even custom stat build our characters. It's taken on the MMO/WoW way of leveling up, where it does it for you and everyone is the same apart from skill points..

 Any Diablo game without character building just wouldn't be the same imo, that is my main reason for choosing to ignore D3 anyways (though it has given me many more since finding that out).

Originally posted by cheyane

Just curious about something . Diablo III will you have to play it online ( I know you ahve to be connected but can you play off their servers and on your computer after the initial conenction) , is the offline mode workable. I rather not have any people coming into my game or spamming my private match.

Diablo 3 is online only.

Oh poey that sucks thanks.

Originally posted by just2duh

Originally posted by Gravarg

I'll probably get D3 instead of Torchlight, I've bought everthing diablo, and haven't been disappointed, except in recent years with all the spam bots you get on D2...but gameplay wise it's great.

 I thought the same too, until I found out we can no longer even custom stat build our characters. It's taken on the MMO/WoW way of leveling up, where it does it for you and everyone is the same apart from skill points..

 Any Diablo game without character building just wouldn't be the same imo, that is my main reason for choosing to ignore D3 anyways (though it has given me many more since finding that out).

Yes, EXACTLY. Everyone is the same. Zero customization of stats and skills. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT? An action RPG that has no RPG in it....brilliant.

Originally posted by jpnole

While I always enjoyed and have purchased all the Fate games and the original Torchlight, there is really no comparison between what TL2 will be and what D3 is posied to become. The scope and depth of D3 is far beyond that of TL2. I don't care if TL2 can be modded, D3 will be so good you won't want or need to mod it. I also don't care that you can't lan D3. I have a reliable 40mbps connection at home and I don't forsee any issues if I want to have a "lan" party at my house. TL2 will be a blast for $20, but it's simply not in the same league with D3. As far as the TL2 launch window goes, I left my thoughts on that in this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328275

 

 

 I plan on buying both games, and enjoying them but well said sir, well said :-)

I would buy both but I don't think I will play TL2 nearly as much as I will Diablo 3. I spent like couples of weeks playing TL compared to thousands of hours of Diablo 2.

Will be interesting to see how many people buy both games, personally I see TL2 as a nice xmas stocking filler. Should keep me occupied while I'm stuffing my face with turkey and mince pies this year :P

They both look good tbh :)

Will be picking up both games. Not gonna comment on the race between Diablo 3 and Trochlight 2 as it's a complete joke. Just because a handful of guys here are not gonna pick it up, doesnt mean jack shit. There are atleast 1-2 fansites filled with people for every deluded guy here who thinks he's gonna make a difference by not buying Diablo 3. 

Makes a difference to you cause, you'll probably miss out on a quality game. It doesn't make much of a difference to Blizzard. 

Also there must be something wrong with people who hang around the boards of games they don't care about. Sad really, i mean if i don't like something, ill stay away from it. Which is why iam also sure that most of you guys claiming you wont buy D3 will be the first in line on release day. I mean most of you haters are way more passionate about D3 than the fans =/

Torchlight was fun for a couple of weeks but extremely shallow and a bit too steampunk for me.  I'll likely pass on T2 and just wait for D3.  It seems like TL and TL2 are just betas for their eventual TL MMO. 

I hope all of you that are buying Diablo III will enjoy it. I am staying away from this steaming pile of vomit. Not because I don't think it will be a fantastic game, I've played the beta, watched videos, stayed up to date with news (for the most part) but Blizzard's announcement of their DRM officially closed my wallet to Diablo III. Before you say I'm not a true fan let me tell you this; I'm 18 and Diablo was one of the first games I played on the PC, that and the LeapFrog games. So I've grown up with Diablo. Each time Blizzard has released news about a new feature of the game, I've become more and more disappointed in it. If I'm the only one that wishes it was just like Diablo II just with a new storyline and maybe some new classes, then so be it. I don't think Torchlight will beat out D3 but I do think that most of the players that won't be buying D3 will be buying Torchlight.