Originally posted by heavyhebrew

I want to snuggle up into Coyote Sharptongues warm and fuzzy nothingness and die happy.

 

Originally posted by Mr.Coyote

Originally posted by heavyhebrew

I want to snuggle up into Coyote Sharptongues warm and fuzzy nothingness and die happy.

 

You are my hero.

Originally posted by bakagami

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Saerain

Originally posted by bakagami

Lol at the Firefly reference.  I still have no trouble cracking games but now I only use it to test out the game before I buy it.  if I don't like a game enough to buy it then I don't like it enought to keep playing it either.  I think the bulk of the pirate community has learned their lesson.  If we don't provide a market for PC games then everything will go to the consoles.  PC gaming is starting to come back in a bit so I want to encourage that as much as I can.  many of my friends feel the same way.

Indeed. I think it's sad that so many people think the ‘try before you buy’ justification for piracy is universally bullshit, as it's true for me and more than half of the pirates I know. Not saying this means it must be the reason for most piracy, just that it's true for some.

Without ‘piracy’, I'd be spending less money on games, not more—and not even remotely the same.

     So basically you are only a thief HALF of the time?  What a bunch of steaming bull!  A thief is a thief and in my opinion (and most of societies to be honest) one of the lowest forms of life on the planet.

 

down troll down!  be honest, you dont really care about what I do & I don't really care what you think about it.   If you want to know the truth, over my course of my time playing games & computing (since the late '80s),  my computer has been %100 pirate.  pirated operating system, pirated applications, pirated games.  for years I never paid for anything.  I even ran a warez site for a while.  now its different, I see the damage that has done, not to the companies, they make their money, but to myself & other players.  I still run pirate win7 but the games I play I pay for cause I want them to keep making them.

before you get all indignant remember that it doesnt bother me that you don't like it

 

Then no real reason to respond when people call you out as the criminal you are, right, because you're all good with it.

Works both ways.

lol, judging by most of the comments I read it seems you guys didnt read the full article. It really isnt about pirating, it's about the modders/cheaters/hackers/losers ruining the games.

"OMG an article with the title Game Piracy is B.S." I must post and defend pirating lawl. Go fail again.

Pirating isn't anything new. Hell as a gamer who is 27 years old i will openly admit that when we had the 386 PC we never ever paid for games. I didn't even know you could buy games. They wheren'nt in the stores. You just got a floppy disk from a friend. coppied it and then you owned the game. They magicly appeared out of the blue. No one knew where they came from, it was always from a friend.

Then the CD-rom came, but internet wasn't commen yet and lets admit it, downloading games with a 56k modem as max speed wouldn't be a succes anyway. In the cd-rom time you had these cd-roms called "twillights" they put many many games and other software on it. All illigale. Again no one knew where these twillights came from, people just had them and spread them around.

The game industry survived all those activities. Only know they complain cause people use the internet for it and now its easyer for them to see the numbers. But i doubt there is more piracy then there was in the past. And if there is more piracy then perhaps the devs should look at themselfs. After all singleplayer games become rare and most of them are done in 4 to 5 hours. I mean come one, you demand 50 euro for it and then give us only a shitty amount of gameplay time in return, no wonder people pirate it. Thats what you get when you ask more for less. People aren't willing to pay 50 euro's for 4 to 5 hours gameplay (yes CoD im looking at you with your broken multiplayer for the pc ever since modern warfare 2).

And now we come to the cheaters/modders. I say their penatly for ruining the gameplay experience for others and sometimes killing entire games multiplayer with their hacks...they should get perma bann from the internet. Thats the only penalty that helps. You can't block them from games cause they will find a way to get in again. Perma bann from the internet unless its in a public area where they can't install shit on their pc's, let allone hacks. If you commit a murder in RL you end up behind bars for many years. This is a risk you take when you break the law and you know it. hackers/cheaters should the same penalty. Being caught hacking/cheating in a game and destroying the game for it. 5 to 10 year internet ban. Boom no warnings, screw them its not like they are worthy people anyway. These people hack/cheat to win, infact i see them in many shooters and it are the same kids who call you a noob....who's the noob? Me who can't kill him cause he has god mode one and can see trough walls, or him who can't win without his pathetic hacks. I don't care they are 16 or younger, give hard penalties. I left to many games cause of hackers, games i enjoyed but couldn't enjoy anymore with the huge ammount of hackers.

The short of it is

The simple fact that while hacks, mods, cheats and exploits might annoy or even anger you. Such things happen in games because 1) Programmers do what they can to make sure the game runs as they expect 2) They purposely program in dev codes for themselves and their testers and leave them in the final production and 3) Gamers, by default are intelligent wily bastards and will do whatever they can to crack a game and exploit it like the whore it is.

However I posted about this at length on my blog http://theknightednerd.wordpress.com

Originally posted by bakagami

Originally posted by GMan3 

Originally posted by Saerain

Originally posted by bakagami

Lol at the Firefly reference.  I still have no trouble cracking games but now I only use it to test out the game before I buy it.  if I don't like a game enough to buy it then I don't like it enought to keep playing it either.  I think the bulk of the pirate community has learned their lesson.  If we don't provide a market for PC games then everything will go to the consoles.  PC gaming is starting to come back in a bit so I want to encourage that as much as I can.  many of my friends feel the same way.

Indeed. I think it's sad that so many people think the ‘try before you buy’ justification for piracy is universally bullshit, as it's true for me and more than half of the pirates I know. Not saying this means it must be the reason for most piracy, just that it's true for some.

Without ‘piracy’, I'd be spending less money on games, not more—and not even remotely the same.

     So basically you are only a thief HALF of the time?  What a bunch of steaming bull!  A thief is a thief and in my opinion (and most of societies to be honest) one of the lowest forms of life on the planet. 

down troll down!  be honest, you dont really care about what I do & I don't really care what you think about it.   If you want to know the truth, over my course of my time playing games & computing (since the late '80s),  my computer has been %100 pirate.  pirated operating system, pirated applications, pirated games.  for years I never paid for anything.  I even ran a warez site for a while.  now its different, I see the damage that has done, not to the companies, they make their money, but to myself & other players.  I still run pirate win7 but the games I play I pay for cause I want them to keep making them.

before you get all indignant remember that it doesnt bother me that you don't like it 

    So basically you are an admitted thief and don't feel all that bad about it.  Well except that you think it might be ruining you gaming experience so you now pay for games at least?  Still a thief and no better than a mugger on the street.  Actually worse, a mugger at least has to face the people they are stealing from.

Originally posted by KnightedNerd

3) Gamers, by default are intelligent wily bastards and will do whatever they can to crack a game and exploit it like the whore it is.

I think you mean.

3) Gamers, by default are intelligent wily bastards and will do whatever they can to crack("rape") a game and whore out the exploits like the pimps they think they are.

I use that term rape because to me thats exactly what these types of ppl are doing. Feeding their power ego preying on our grief.

You call them Pirates/Modders/Cheaters/Exploiters/etc I call them rapists.

Originally posted by 13333337

Originally posted by KnightedNerd

3) Gamers, by default are intelligent wily bastards and will do whatever they can to crack a game and exploit it like the whore it is.

I think you mean.

3) Gamers, by default are intelligent wily bastards and will do whatever they can to crack("rape") a game and whore out the exploits like the pimps they think they are.

I use that term rape because to me thats exactly what these types of ppl are doing. Feeding their power ego preying on our grief.

You call them Pirates/Modders/Cheaters/Exploiters/etc I call them rapists.

 

Mwahahahaha!

Hey bakagami I hope you like being part of botnet. Enjoy your exploited system. LoL pirated win 7.

Originally posted by 13333337

Hey bakagami I hope you like being part of botnet. Enjoy your exploited system. LoL pirated win 7.

 

If I cracked it the way YOU whould then yeah I'd have a problem, but I use a modded CMOS

Originally posted by bakagami

If I cracked it the way YOU whould then yeah I'd have a problem, but I use a modded CMOS

 

Anyways back on topic...

I think we the (legit) players should band together, create some new jobs and form some organizations. Play our games, catch these ppl, and do something about it! I absolutely hate when I buy a game then only to find that its plagued with this sorta thing.

I want to add an interesting article I found : http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2003/may/22/games.onlinesupplement

Sometimes i wonder if a undetectable intelligent bot wouldnt be the best thing that could happen to mmos. People might stop grinding sit back realise what the bot does for them is a stupid skinner box  and finally /unsub.  Would force devs to produce fun content free of grind.

Yeah blame the devs, for their content being a grind. LOL Don't make me laugh. If i get pulled over for speeding let me try to blame the state for it being their fault I was speeding.

"I'm sorry officer, these speedlimits here are too slow, making my drive to work boring."

"It's the states fault for making it so slow"

"And yes officer, the state is only making ppl speed by setting the limits so slow to make money from all the tickets you issue"

Originally posted by 13333337

Yeah blame the devs, for their content being a grind. LOL Don't make me laugh. If i get pulled over for speeding let me try to blame the police for it being their fault I was speeding.

Do you relally not understand how the industry works? They want money so they need to keep you subbed. Only way to develop as fast as people consume is grind. So they feed you grind with a carrot (loot) on a stick to keep you subbed. If people would get some distance by not playing themselves through that they might /unsub more likely which would force devs to go other ways.

Oh I understand how the industry work completely. But really if its that bad ppl will unsub period.

One could also argue that ppl will be unsubbing due to seeing all the bots run rampant.

I'm sorry I let my emotions get the best of me, this is a very touchy subject for me. I feel as if I've thrown away money due to this sorta thing. I don't mean to come off as rude.

Even if the game is a grind, and you feel that its not right what the devs do to keep you hooked into playing for as long as possible. It doesnt make it right to take a shortcut there. When the rest of us work, and work hard at it to get to the same finish line. Yes I will agree developers need to come up with a better hook to keep us playing other then a grind. But, resorting to bots to make them see what a waste of time it was for them to do it isnt the answer. If you feel you need to cheat to "payback" the developers. Just stop playing the game. That will hurt them more, and make them think more when their game goes under for being a poor product.

Originally posted by 13333337

Oh I understand how the industry work completely. But really if its that bad ppl will unsub period.

One could also argue that ppl will be unsubbing due to seeing all the bots run rampant.

It does not count as bad. I'm thinking about heroics and raiding. People continue raiding cleared content just for gear. Farm mobs just for gear/rep .  Noone really says oh i enjoy killing those mobs so much i just keep killing them on and on. It is all just a skinner box and frankly i don't like that.

Regarding bots: you only notice the bad ones. Good ones are undistuingishable from real players. (e.g. UT )  We are at a point were computers can drive cars on the street in heavy traffic. Getting a believable bot for a mmo shouldnt be a impossible problem.

I dont want to stray off topic here, but I will go ahead and say it. I'm pretty sure there will always be some sort of "grind" in any MMO genre. Weither it be lvls, for gear, for talent, rep, whatever. It's always gonna be there we will just add another tag to the "grind" cloud. I think the key would be to make it as fun as possible and perhaps dynamic (enemies change tactics, or learn from you countering your skill set etc)

This article is about the ppl who ruin our gaming experience by "cheating" or "modding" doing this because the game is boring, a grind, or even too hard, or easy. Doesn't make it right for you to ruin it for other players who enjoy playing the game. Besides, what is boring for you. Just might not be for everyone. Everything is subject to ones opinion. Except cheating, and even that is subject to opinion LOL I failed.

Originally posted by Requiamer

Originally posted by Scot

Any thread about piracy brings out the idiots who think there is no such thing as ownership etc. Go and see what the real world is like, get a job and a life; don’t just rely on what you heard in Sociology 101 and can find on the internet.

 

 

Ownership is a concept thus cannot be found "in real life" as you seam to pretend, its not an apple or anything physical. As any concept it is subject to history of mankind, and history isn't writen in your job, or life, it is written in the knowledge of people as any other concept.

This naturally if you don't consider yourself as getting your knowledge directly from God in your real life, naturally

Of course it's a concept. It differs from cultures to cultures and from time period to time period.

Luckily we know where we are and what time period we are in.

For instance, if I take your car or occupy your house or use your pants you might say "I don't want you to do those things, you are not entitled to it.

Unless you live in a culture and country that is somewhat sequestered away or adheres to some sort of community idea of ownership or that idea that land can't be owned it would be safe to say that when someone uses the word ownership we all know what they mean and practice it in some way in our own lives.

Or do you just go into a store and take a few tV's and then start telling the manager about ownership as a concept.

They like that you know.