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  Drekker17

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10/13/11 8:00:56 PM#161

I'm against pirating (especially ones making profit out of others work), but what are you going to do? Drms and similar stuff have just made people that normally wouldn't pirate (me), consider pirating, and has made many other people not even think twice about pirating even cheap indie games. DRMs are usually designed for people that are going to pirate no matter what, so game devs need to shift there anti-pirating to a pro-purchasing campaign.

The only time pirating is ok to me is if you want to try a game out first, or you live in a country where that game isn't available for whatever reason, and/or it's abandoware (is that really pirating though?). 

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  raistlinm

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10/13/11 8:16:22 PM#162

I couldn't agree more I find it strange that outside of the music industry every other entertainment field has constantly brought in record numbers and even movies people universally thought of as lame can bring in 50 to 100 million. 

I have had the misfortune of being by friends homes who played pirated movies much like the article points out and usually find myself unable to pay attention to such poor quality  movies and on rare occasion had found myself interested enough to just go buy the movie myself.

While I realize the piracy of games may exist I couldn't believe it would exist on a large enough scale to be able to have a really great effect on the companies developing most of the games around today.

I'm really not big into games with a player vs player aspect so I don't come across modders at all that I could be aware of, I haven't engaged in pvp since WOW and haven't played that since TBC but I could see how modding could be a big problem for alot of consumers.

The issue though is this largely effects the consumer and not the company so it will always take a back seat to piracy.  For many of these companies they aren't willing to chance cutting themselves off from the amount of sales they would loose by enacting stricter punishments for modding.  Imagine if Blizz were to permanently ban anyone caught modding as a policy those people would likely not buy any Blizzard games at all knowing if they play the way they are compelled to they will just be banned.

  Etherouge

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10/13/11 8:40:05 PM#163
Originally posted by Drekker17

I'm against pirating (especially ones making profit out of others work), but what are you going to do? Drms and similar stuff have just made people that normally wouldn't pirate (me), consider pirating, and has made many other people not even think twice about pirating even cheap indie games. DRMs are usually designed for people that are going to pirate no matter what, so game devs need to shift there anti-pirating to a pro-purchasing campaign.

The only time pirating is ok to me is if you want to try a game out first, or you live in a country where that game isn't available for whatever reason, and/or it's abandoware (is that really pirating though?). 

I don't think I've ever heard of someone making profit from piracy (except for the free advertising).

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  Kabaal

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10/13/11 8:56:50 PM#164
Originally posted by DanMcC
Originally posted by Drekker17

I'm against pirating (especially ones making profit out of others work), but what are you going to do? Drms and similar stuff have just made people that normally wouldn't pirate (me), consider pirating, and has made many other people not even think twice about pirating even cheap indie games. DRMs are usually designed for people that are going to pirate no matter what, so game devs need to shift there anti-pirating to a pro-purchasing campaign.

The only time pirating is ok to me is if you want to try a game out first, or you live in a country where that game isn't available for whatever reason, and/or it's abandoware (is that really pirating though?). 

I don't think I've ever heard of someone making profit from piracy (except for the free advertising).

In markets all over the place people make thousands off of pirated games, movies, music etc on cheap discs. It's a huge business very similar to the imported and fake cigarette markets.

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  Etherouge

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10/13/11 9:02:02 PM#165
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by DanMcC
Originally posted by Drekker17

I'm against pirating (especially ones making profit out of others work), but what are you going to do? Drms and similar stuff have just made people that normally wouldn't pirate (me), consider pirating, and has made many other people not even think twice about pirating even cheap indie games. DRMs are usually designed for people that are going to pirate no matter what, so game devs need to shift there anti-pirating to a pro-purchasing campaign.

The only time pirating is ok to me is if you want to try a game out first, or you live in a country where that game isn't available for whatever reason, and/or it's abandoware (is that really pirating though?). 

I don't think I've ever heard of someone making profit from piracy (except for the free advertising).

In markets all over the place people make thousands off of pirated games, movies, music etc on cheap discs. It's a huge business very similar to the imported and fake cigarette markets.

Whoops. Forgot about that little part.

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  Volgore

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10/13/11 9:28:08 PM#166

Non of the games i play (except for mmorpgs) i bought, all of them are from other sources.


Rage, Dead Island (had to fiddle half a day with configs to even make it a game), Fable 3...just to name some recent ones. Bug ridden crap, poorly optimized console ports, shallow or little content... you name it.


As long as they release titles which i uninstall after 10mins because they aren't worth my time or crashing for weeks until patch 1.3 gets released, this industry won't get any money of me.


Last non mmorpg i bought was Delta Force Land Warrior which i played for 4 years.


  Jhereg

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10/13/11 9:30:52 PM#167

I do not know why you call them modders when they are not modding they are "cheating".  Modders change a game to make it a different way to play, "cheaters" modify the game so they can win and think its funny.

  just2duh

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10/13/11 9:37:53 PM#168

 If anything I consider "pirating" as a form of being smart with your money.


 If the quality of movies/games/music/etc wasn't so questionable these days many of us wouldn't be so compelled to download it first before handing over our money.


 Imo illegal downloading isn't really the problem, it's how all things entertainment are just being made for the sole purpose of cashing in and totally ignoring the entertainment side of things.


 ..or to put it another way.. If anyone has been watching South Park's latest season, the ep where Stan views everything as shit is really the perfect analogy for the entertainment industry lol.


 


 Yeah people can argue it's a business and making money is the main goal, but that's not really how or why all these things got started. There used to be real passion and heart behind making something and it showed, but now that is a real rarity when is comes to all things entertainment.


  popinjay

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10/13/11 9:38:09 PM#169

Scott Hartsmann, creator of Rift, says you are wrong OP.


Scott Hartsman says gold farming hurts our games more than we know



S.H.

"It's those kinds of things where people laugh and go, 'Oh, that never happens.' No. It happens. It happens a s**tload.


To the point where, over the last three or four years, I would dare anybody to ask an exec at a gaming company how much they've had to pay in MasterCard and Visa fines, because of fraud. It happens a lot."


  niceguy3978

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10/13/11 9:47:57 PM#170

Maybe this has been said already, but damn, this is a long thread and it's getting late.  But, I think piracy would decline (not go away) if they would allow for returns of games.  Most places at best you can exchange for the same copy if you get a defective copy, but I don't know of many (actually I don't know of any) places where you can return the game you spent 60 bucks on for a refund.  For consols, I would even be willing to pay a small restocking fee for the need to re-shrink wrap, and all that good stuff, but they get their money, and tell us to f-off.

  Kabaal

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10/13/11 9:49:57 PM#171
Originally posted by niceguy3978

Maybe this has been said already, but damn, this is a long thread and it's getting late.  But, I think piracy would decline (not go away) if they would allow for returns of games.  Most places at best you can exchange for the same copy if you get a defective copy, but I don't know of many (actually I don't know of any) places where you can return the game you spent 60 bucks on for a refund.  For consols, I would even be willing to pay a small restocking fee for the need to re-shrink wrap, and all that good stuff, but they get their money, and tell us to f-off.

So to combat piracy you expect them to just give away their product for free? Yeah that makes sense....

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  niceguy3978

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10/13/11 9:51:26 PM#172

No, I expect them to offer a refund if it is a peice of crap, like nearly every other consumer product.

edit: and i'm not saying let someone buy the game keep it for a  month, then try to return it, it obviously has to have limits, but the way it works now with generally no refunds for anything opened is rediculous.

  monkeyslap

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10/13/11 9:58:30 PM#173

Originally posted by Eladi

As you say cheaters are a bigger roblem for the USER not the company /economics by the time people know its a cheat game they already sold all they needed to sell/could sell. 




hacking and pirates are two diferent problems that dont even belong on the same list 




Its like comparing trafic jams that economicly cost alot whit smokers that bring in money (tax) but might cause danger for nearby other folks.




 




Pirating is overblown, it happens it always has and walways will but would have bin better to dig up the few science studdies that prove that pirating actualy increases sales instead of costing money.




will always be a point of discussion untill we all walk around whit nano chips in our head and even those we might hack so we can hack acces to stuff :)




 




 





 




Actually, even though the game was already bought and payed for in some cases, cheaters/hackers are a problem financially for a company. The reason being, if the compay ignores the problem and lets the hackers/cheaters run rampent, it will give the company a bad reputaion, which means people will not buy future products from the company. At least look at this as a possiblility.


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  bakagami

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10/13/11 10:15:29 PM#174

Lol at the Firefly reference.  I still have no trouble cracking games but now I only use it to test out the game before I buy it.  if I don't like a game enough to buy it then I don't like it enought to keep playing it either.  I think the bulk of the pirate community has learned their lesson.  If we don't provide a market for PC games then everything will go to the consoles.  PC gaming is starting to come back in a bit so I want to encourage that as much as I can.  many of my friends feel the same way.


 


BTW, the good folk at Canton were mudders not modders





 


  drakwon

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10/13/11 11:22:40 PM#175

Piracy is basically free advertising, most of the people who DL pirated games and movies do so because they cant afford it, and otherwise would probably never see the movie or play the game, but that doesnt mean they wont tell their friends to buy or go see a movie.


 


Ive also quit many games because of hackers/modders.


 


Gold sellers, well they are creating a real life economy with in a game world generating real life jobs. As long as the game silently regulates them to not destroy in game encomy, well then they could be seen as good.


I know for a fact blizzard could stop all 3rd parties from selling gold/accounts but that would be bad for their own business and player renetion so they just quietly regulate it.


  Karmakazi

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Something's not right.

10/13/11 11:28:11 PM#176

This is something every FPS player has been saying for the past few years, and there's just now an article about it? lol Unfortunately game publishers and maintainers are the same people that as you put it, are fucking morons. All they care about is money and like you say, once people pay up, they could really give a crap less what happens to their gameplay experience. They claim bans and the like for people who abuse the TOS and cheat, but it seemingly never happens. Sure those people may have paid up, but if they're making everyone elses experience a living hell with their game, why would I want to buy another game of theirs to get a similar experience? At the very least, they could "farm" these people for cash, banning them every time they detect a hack forcing them to buy yet another copy of the game. Sadly cheaters have a safety net because they wont ban them as "anything could throw a red flag of using a cheat, then we'd be banning legitimate players!". Pretty sure cheaters are here to stay, companies seem to welcome anyone that spend cash on their game, after that its every man for themselves....but if you pirate the single player version of their game, you dun goofed! you're in for shit now!


  Saerain

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10/13/11 11:39:28 PM#177
Originally posted by bakagami

Lol at the Firefly reference.  I still have no trouble cracking games but now I only use it to test out the game before I buy it.  if I don't like a game enough to buy it then I don't like it enought to keep playing it either.  I think the bulk of the pirate community has learned their lesson.  If we don't provide a market for PC games then everything will go to the consoles.  PC gaming is starting to come back in a bit so I want to encourage that as much as I can.  many of my friends feel the same way.

Indeed. I think it's sad that so many people think the ‘try before you buy’ justification for piracy is universally bullshit, as it's true for me and more than half of the pirates I know. Not saying this means it must be the reason for most piracy, just that it's true for some.

Without ‘piracy’, I'd be spending less money on games, not more—and not even remotely the same.

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  Datawarlock

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10/13/11 11:47:08 PM#178

Originally posted by Jhereg

I do not know why you call them modders when they are not modding they are "cheating".  Modders change a game to make it a different way to play, "cheaters" modify the game so they can win and think its funny.



 


Wouldn't modifying the game so they can win be the EXACT same thing as changing a game to make it a different way to play?


It's true though, the 'modder' term being tossed around in here is only half right. The games are being modded, yes, but not by a mod team. It's technically reverse engineered .dll's, configs, and even port redirecting at times. So while in most cases a file or three are being 'modded', it's by no means a 'mod' in today's gaming terminology.


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  GMan3

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10/13/11 11:51:24 PM#179
Originally posted by Saerain
Originally posted by bakagami

Lol at the Firefly reference.  I still have no trouble cracking games but now I only use it to test out the game before I buy it.  if I don't like a game enough to buy it then I don't like it enought to keep playing it either.  I think the bulk of the pirate community has learned their lesson.  If we don't provide a market for PC games then everything will go to the consoles.  PC gaming is starting to come back in a bit so I want to encourage that as much as I can.  many of my friends feel the same way.

Indeed. I think it's sad that so many people think the ‘try before you buy’ justification for piracy is universally bullshit, as it's true for me and more than half of the pirates I know. Not saying this means it must be the reason for most piracy, just that it's true for some.

Without ‘piracy’, I'd be spending less money on games, not more—and not even remotely the same.

     So basically you are only a thief HALF of the time?  What a bunch of steaming bull!  A thief is a thief and in my opinion (and most of societies to be honest) one of the lowest forms of life on the planet.

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  liadz

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10/14/11 12:05:37 AM#180

I've seen some people here avoiding the morals and even economic discussions on piracy by simply going for arguments like "It's against the law, therefore it's wrong! And that's all!".


Now I'm curious: in my country there is still no law against downloading or sharing material under copyright, piracy here is when you are making profit in some way using this kind of material (like selling burned DVDs). So does this make me magically right if I download a game here because I'm not acting against the law?


My point here is that this piracy discussion goes beyond law statements and sticking with just that is pointless. Also, laws can and should change with the world around them.


I also cry a little every time I see some random dude going all "Aww! Poor mega companies, they are just inocent victims in this cruel game of captalism". B**ch, please.


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