@jvxmtg nope. They removed that a while ago. Exping now is even too easy, that demonstrates that the "writer" of this article is a fake :D

was that someone saying something ?  guess not , good day .

Originally posted by SBFord

Originally posted by Abriael

First this site "re-reviews" the game mere days before major patches twice, then this silly article that shows quite clearly that the "writer" doesn't even know what he's talking about.

The official review was posted in July 2011. Additionally, neither the v1.18 nor the v1.19 articles are reviews. The former was an opinion piece wondering if the game was any better. The latter clearly states in its title that it is an IMPRESSIONS piece.

 

Semantics. Reviews or not, extremely negative (and in many parts misinformative and misleading) articles posted right before major patches are a laughable show of lack of professional attitude. 

Add to this the plainly false information included in this "impressions" piece (you may want to have someone that actually holds some experience in a game write about it, it helps), and you get a quite sad scenario of disservice done to your readers. 

Oh, and let me point out something else. The fact that the author of this "article" can't even get his own pictures (on a PC game that has a dedicated feature for screenshotting, lol), but has to use screenshots "courtesy of" someone else, is rather ridiculous, and shows how much credibility he has in his "impressions" about the game.

Originally posted by Boreil

Patch 1.18 and 1.19 were both awesome and the game is headed in the right direction no doubt about it , i don't see what people expect them to fix about the game , its progressing fine , also its free monthly , cant beat that  specialy when the game  is still better tham most other mmorpg's out atm .

ff XIV is f2p?

Originally posted by odinsrath

Originally posted by Boreil

Patch 1.18 and 1.19 were both awesome and the game is headed in the right direction no doubt about it , i don't see what people expect them to fix about the game , its progressing fine , also its free monthly , cant beat that  specialy when the game  is still better tham most other mmorpg's out atm .

ff XIV is f2p?

You have to buy the client , which i got from gamestop for 15$  and it has a subscription model like most pay to play mmorpg's, but they are not currently charging players to play so yes once you buy it its free.

I bought this game at launch, and like most quickly stoped playing. With that said if they make improvments and go FTP I would give it another try as I love the FF IP. With that said as bad as this game was a launch, and being I am one of the doops who bought the collectors version I can not see myself spending any money on this game until I see it this time.

I like FFXIV.  I don't know about everyone else, but it's similar to FFXI, but easier (well the old FFXI).  Before you could match levels in FFXI, you used to sit around at "camps" slaughtering numerous "Very Tough" monsters until your eyes and/or fingers bled.  At least in FFXIV the combat is faster, levels go by ALOT faster, and there is an actual storyline.  FFXI didn't really have much of an immersive storyline.  You'd do a quest, then a month later you'd be at the level to do the next quest.  In FFXIV you can do the storyline quests and get to 50 in under a month.  I like how you aren't really forced to group in FFXIV.  You get more exp, and it is more fun, but when I want to just be alone, I can.

Edit: The only thing I absolutely hate about FFXIV is the updater.  It's the only game I've ever had to actually manually use port fowarding.  Why? I haven't a clue, but the updater is just horrible.  I just go find a torrent of the patches hehe.

I come to these Final Fantasy threads just to read the infamous die hards that just cannot see wrong in their game. It's truly not bad but the article is pretty much dead on, like it always has been.

Sorry, your CEO said that your game really hurt the brand. That is far from a positive statement.

Originally posted by Abriael

Originally posted by Benthon

I come to these Final Fantasy threads just to read the infamous die hards that just cannot see wrong in their game. It's truly not bad but the article is pretty much dead on, like it always has been.

Sorry, your CEO said that your game really hurt the brand. That is far from a positive statement.

yeah, because Wada has always been right isn't it? Or maybe he's right only when it's convenient for you? :D

on the contrary FFXIV did a lot of good for the Final Fantasy brand, as it forced Square Enix to start listening to their playerbase, on the long run, this can only be positive.

of course the most nearsighted will miss this little but critical detail.

It's always massively funny to see the infamous haters (including those that happen to write for this site) scrambling to try and bash the game at every patch, probably panicking because it's improving so much, and at the moment is definitely on par with many others, and well set to improve further. 

They invested so much emotionally and personally in bashing this game that they're now frightened by the idea of it becoming good. 

LOL?  What you see as a hater I see as the opinion of the majority.  Since that is the case that means you are one of the diehards that can't see the game for what it is.  I'm a huge FF fan going back to the first ff and the ones on the gameboy all the way to when I was older playing ffvi, ffvii and even ffxi.  I don't like your precious, at all I mean I've liked most everything w/ the name Final Fantasy on it and I hate the game its not that I'm a hater I just see the game for what it is.  The reviewers here are doing the same thing and if you would take off your rose colored shades for a moment you would realize that.

Let me reverse the question for a moment, what makes the game so good?  Seriously help all us haters out that can't see the gem that you see.  I mean even square said it was a failure and apoligized but apparently you know better than the makers of the game is that it?

I've always gone under the impression that reviews are supposed to be unbiased?  After reading this article and the article on patch 1.18 I've gotten the distinct impression that the 'reviewer' had already made up his mind that he didn't like the game before he did any sort of research for the articles.   I fully admit that the FFXIV launch was terrible and that SE dropped the ball right out of the starting gate, but it seems to me that the 'reviewer' focused exclusively on the negative aspects of the experience and even downplayed those parts of the game that are good.   Adam's 'sarcastic wit' strikes me as being 'smug arrogant jackass extrodinare'.  If Adam can't understand the concept of being impartial and giving an unbiased review, I think it's time he found a new line of work.   Writing a review isn't about pushing your personal views on people, and that's what his 'reviews' are all about.

For example he calls the gathering mini-games akin to torture.  What's wrong with the minigames?  If I'm going to play a class that's entire focus is gathering I'd like more than a simple 'one click harvest' method of gathering that most other MMO's employ.  Having a minigame requires I actually concentrate on what I'm doing.  Yes, for someone who's mindless or simply wanting constant action then yes, I'm sure it's boring, in which case maybe a gathering type class isn't the class you should be playing.  Adam thinks they are torture, that's his opinion, I don't care what his opinion is, I care whether or not the game is improving and worth checking out again, and I can't trust his review to give me the information I need.

yeah, because Wada has always been right isn't it? Or maybe he's right only when it's convenient for you? :D

on the contrary FFXIV did a lot of good for the Final Fantasy brand, as it forced Square Enix to start listening to their playerbase, on the long run, this can only be positive.

of course the most nearsighted will miss this little but critical detail.

It's always massively funny to see the infamous haters (including those that happen to write for this site) scrambling to try and bash the game at every patch, probably panicking because it's improving so much, and at the moment is definitely on par with many others, and well set to improve further. 

They invested so much emotionally and personally in bashing this game that they're now frightened by the idea of it becoming good. 

Wada is the CEO of the company. I think he may know a bit more about the state of his business than you do, but there's some pretty clear indicators that FFXIV is still not a good game. There have been multiple apologies, people have been taken off the project,  the company still lacks the confidence to charge for it, and just recently, Yoshi stated that he wouldn't consider it a Final Fantasy game, but it's about 50% of the way there.

Most haters don't randomly hate on this game; a lot of them have valid criticisms of the game such as the author of this article. When someone mentions anything negative about FFXIV,  posters like you label them as a troll or hater. You're not doing yourself any favors by responding so negatively and becoming so defensive. Instead of having a fit of Asperger's, why don't you offer a different perspective, and no, "You're wrong!" doesn't count.

So, people that have gripes with the game are panicking and grasping at straws? That's the conclusion you've come to? Really? Some people who "hate" on the game want to see it actually become a good game.

Thanks for the impressions piece, it confirms what I expected FFXIV is slowly moving in the right direction. My plan has always been to return after they add the male Miqo'te by which time FFXIV should be "fixed" or as Square Enix puts it "ready for PS3 release" and it looks like that plan wont be changing. ^^

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Abriael

Originally posted by Benthon

I come to these Final Fantasy threads just to read the infamous die hards that just cannot see wrong in their game. It's truly not bad but the article is pretty much dead on, like it always has been.

Sorry, your CEO said that your game really hurt the brand. That is far from a positive statement.

yeah, because Wada has always been right isn't it? Or maybe he's right only when it's convenient for you? :D

on the contrary FFXIV did a lot of good for the Final Fantasy brand, as it forced Square Enix to start listening to their playerbase, on the long run, this can only be positive.

of course the most nearsighted will miss this little but critical detail.

It's always massively funny to see the infamous haters (including those that happen to write for this site) scrambling to try and bash the game at every patch, probably panicking because it's improving so much, and at the moment is definitely on par with many others, and well set to improve further. 

They invested so much emotionally and personally in bashing this game that they're now frightened by the idea of it becoming good. 

 

LOL?  What you see as a hater I see as the opinion of the majority.  Since that is the case that means you are one of the diehards that can't see the game for what it is.  I'm a huge FF fan going back to the first ff and the ones on the gameboy all the way to when I was older playing ffvi, ffvii and even ffxi.  I don't like your precious, at all I mean I've liked most everything w/ the name Final Fantasy on it and I hate the game its not that I'm a hater I just see the game for what it is.  The reviewers here are doing the same thing and if you would take off your rose colored shades for a moment you would realize that.

Let me reverse the question for a moment, what makes the game so good?  Seriously help all us haters out that can't see the gem that you see.  I mean even square said it was a failure and apoligized but apparently you know better than the makers of the game is that it?

OUWAAH? he/she didnt state that the game was good o.o. Am I missing something here O.o. As to why the game is good or not im dont know nor do i care, and now i shall go back into that crowd of quiet readers =D

Originally posted by Quicksand

A reply to a reply to further drive this thread off topic (j/k)

 

Tabula Rasa was shut down because of legal issues between NCSoft and RG, not because to much money was wasted, NCSoft was right in the middle of a new expansion (already released videos and screens of the expansion). You dont do that when your about to pull the plug due to no more money.

 

So "IF" FFXIV ever gets canned, and "IF" its due to a lack of funds or tired of wasting funds it will in no way be anything like TR getting canned.

 

*Sorry, but I have a soft spot for TR and dont like miss information being spread about it*

 

*Sigh* why cant someone relaunch TR......

 

 

I always have a soft spot for TR as well.

The legal dispute wasn't about the game itself. NCSoft "owned" the property of TR! It was developed by NCWest ! So inhouse build and released.

The legal dispute was between Richard Garriott and NCSoft exec's about money. Nothing more.

There was no reason to shut down TR, but they did it anyway.

The "real" reason they shut down was, because NCSoft totally had it with Richard Garriott and wanted to forget it about it and pretend it never existed! So they just shut it down and be done with it!

We can go into all the little details again if you would like? But I have been writing that wall of text too many times already, that I don't feel like doing it anymore.

The game remains F2p , so is ok is still at "beta" stage

Took me a while to get a chocobo , u need to do all the company quests , and finally choose 1 , u get like 2k+ SEALS for doing it ..........but for the choco license u need 3k SEALS

HINT : AFTER u have become a member of a company TALK to the QUEST NPC

REWARD : 1000 SEALS

nothing in the game told u that , i was sad all the traveling around only to find myself with 2300ish seals :( , but a friend told me talk to the npc and u will get 1000 points! ><

Airships : u need to wait for a while (not like FFXI thanks god!)

Caravan quest : fun , 1 , 2 ,3 maybe 4 times , but then ? bah caravan

Strongholds: looks cool, but are just "grind spots" :s

IFRIT : AMAZING like the old FFXI primes :) , and drops weapons

what FFXIV needs , a IMPROVED LFP ! , more Solo and Party content (dungeons or something like "assault" / "campaign"......companys were created for a reason

the PL needs to go :( will be too late when PL is nerfed so .....

why is SE adding content for 20-45 if ppl are PL to 50 in no time?

still the game isnt "fun" , combat its better now with Autoattack, and no Class levels (only PSY lvls)

the auto stats is nice , u can change jobs and dont be "gimped" because u put all your points in VIT STR DEX

Originally posted by tleytek

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Abriael

Originally posted by Benthon

I come to these Final Fantasy threads just to read the infamous die hards that just cannot see wrong in their game. It's truly not bad but the article is pretty much dead on, like it always has been.

Sorry, your CEO said that your game really hurt the brand. That is far from a positive statement.

yeah, because Wada has always been right isn't it? Or maybe he's right only when it's convenient for you? :D

on the contrary FFXIV did a lot of good for the Final Fantasy brand, as it forced Square Enix to start listening to their playerbase, on the long run, this can only be positive.

of course the most nearsighted will miss this little but critical detail.

It's always massively funny to see the infamous haters (including those that happen to write for this site) scrambling to try and bash the game at every patch, probably panicking because it's improving so much, and at the moment is definitely on par with many others, and well set to improve further. 

They invested so much emotionally and personally in bashing this game that they're now frightened by the idea of it becoming good. 

 

LOL?  What you see as a hater I see as the opinion of the majority.  Since that is the case that means you are one of the diehards that can't see the game for what it is.  I'm a huge FF fan going back to the first ff and the ones on the gameboy all the way to when I was older playing ffvi, ffvii and even ffxi.  I don't like your precious, at all I mean I've liked most everything w/ the name Final Fantasy on it and I hate the game its not that I'm a hater I just see the game for what it is.  The reviewers here are doing the same thing and if you would take off your rose colored shades for a moment you would realize that.

Let me reverse the question for a moment, what makes the game so good?  Seriously help all us haters out that can't see the gem that you see.  I mean even square said it was a failure and apoligized but apparently you know better than the makers of the game is that it?

OUWAAH? he/she didnt state that the game was good o.o. Am I missing something here O.o. As to why the game is good or not im dont know nor do i care, and now i shall go back into that crowd of quiet readers =D

I was just pointing out the fact that all of us are not haters we just don't like the current product.  The author of the article even mentioned it was getting better and the guy I was responding to tore into him talking of how everyone here has a grudge against the game.  So I simply posted the question if it isn't bad what makes it good?

Okay...

I just gotta say that while there are some fair points made in this updated impressions piece... there's a lot of very unfair, and rather misleading hyperbole as well.

Here's just one quote for example regarding the UI:

"While ever this interface remains, the game is carrying around dead weight, and clubbing to death the hopes of anyone that wishes to get near to loving the game. It is just that bad."

For one, the statement is completely presumptuous in that the author assumes to know how anyone will respond to the interface. There are people, believe it or not, who do not suffer nearly the degree of frustration this article asserts. I don't think anyone will say "it's fine as is and doesn't need any improvement" (save for the hopelessly defensive folks who will defend anything about the game), but there are plenty who feel it's perfectly usable and functional for the game at this point. I am among them.

There are people I speak to every single day in game who do, in fact, love the game even with its current interface.

So, share your own opinion, by all means. But please stop presuming to speak for others. You don't.

As far as describing the questing in game... Very very very dishonestly presented aspect for this round in how the article seems to give missions/quests a "gloss over" and focuses instead squarely on Leves and Behests, seemingly because they're easy targets.

Yoshi-P stated a while ago now that they were moving away from having Leves and Behests as the core form of content... 1.18 and 1.19 have gone a long way toward that end already... something the article downplays very conspicuously.

Let me put it this way. I HATE levequests. Hate them. Can not stand doing them. This is one thing that kept me from seriously sticking with FFXIV throughout its earlier months.

However, last Friday evening, several hours on Saturday, almost all day Sunday (was under the weather and had nothing better to do) and most of last night, I played FFXIV. I put on several levels and completed a number of personal goals... I got from level 18 to level 24, I got through all the Grand Company quests and joined Twin Adders and worked toward a few other personal goals... I didn't do a single leve quest, nor behest. Not a one.

When I log in tonight, I already have further goals set that I want to accomplish... not a single one will involve me doing a leve quest or behest. Not a one.

Where before they were basically "all there was to do" aside from crafting, for me, Leve Quests are officially at the level of "an odd activity to do when I feel like doing something a little different" for me.

There are plenty of quests to do as side-activities, as well as job-specific quests, GC quests, main storyline quests... and yes, levequests/behests.

And the content I'm doing is available to everyone.

So, in light of that it is extremely disingenuous for the author of this article to skip over the missions and side-quests as though they don't factor.

They most certainly do.

To the author of this article/series.. If you're going to give the impression of genuinely following the game's updates and giving a comprehensive update on each one.. At least do it the justice of reporting on it accurately. Don't cherry-pick certain things while all but completely ignoring others.

There are those of us playing it who can and will call you out when you're being unfair or inaccurate. By all means, express as negative a personal opinion as you feel it warrants... But at least be thorough and accurate about the details while doing so.

FFXIV = What you get when you release an MMORPG 3 years before it's ready! Seriously, this game didn't need another six months to a year, it literally needed years more development time.

I still can't understand what confluence of corporate disfunction ever resulted in the game being released in the state it was released in.

The UI is horrible. The game world is horrible. Combat is horrible. The game lacks the magic and aesthetics of a Final Fantasy title. The cities were nice. Crafting had potential. The story cutscenes were pretty decent and the character and mob models and animations were decent as well.

They should have completely scrapped the ui, the combat sytem, the game world outside of the cities and the entire concept of Guild Leves replacing standard quests and PVE content. Instead, they released a complete mess of a game and then tried to "fix it" after launch with limited staff and budget.

Just mind boggling.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Okay...

I just gotta say that while there are some fair points made in this updated impressions piece... there's a lot of very unfair, and rather misleading hyperbole as well.

Here's just one quote for example regarding the UI:

"While ever this interface remains, the game is carrying around dead weight, and clubbing to death the hopes of anyone that wishes to get near to loving the game. It is just that bad."

For one, the statement is completely presumptuous in that the author assumes to know how anyone will respond to the interface. There are people, believe it or not, who do not suffer nearly the degree of frustration this article asserts. I don't think anyone will say "it's fine as is and doesn't need any improvement" (save for the hopelessly defensive folks who will defend anything about the game), but there are plenty who feel it's perfectly usable and functional for the game at this point. I am among them.

There are people I speak to every single day in game who do, in fact, love the game even with its current interface.

So, share your own opinion, by all means. But please stop presuming to speak for others. You don't.

As far as describing the questing in game... Very very very dishonestly presented aspect for this round in how the article seems to give missions/quests a "gloss over" and focuses instead squarely on Leves and Behests, seemingly because they're easy targets.

Yoshi-P stated a while ago now that they were moving away from having Leves and Behests as the core form of content... 1.18 and 1.19 have gone a long way toward that end already... something the article downplays very conspicuously.

Let me put it this way. I HATE levequests. Hate them. Can not stand doing them. This is one thing that kept me from seriously sticking with FFXIV throughout its earlier months.

However, last Friday evening, several hours on Saturday, almost all day Sunday (was under the weather and had nothing better to do) and most of last night, I played FFXIV. I put on several levels and completed a number of personal goals... I got from level 18 to level 24, I got through all the Grand Company quests and joined Twin Adders and worked toward a few other personal goals... I didn't do a single leve quest, nor behest. Not a one.

When I log in tonight, I already have further goals set that I want to accomplish... not a single one will involve me doing a leve quest or behest. Not a one.

Where before they were basically "all there was to do" aside from crafting, for me, Leve Quests are officially at the level of "an odd activity to do when I feel like doing something a little different" for me.

There are plenty of quests to do as side-activities, as well as job-specific quests, GC quests, main storyline quests... and yes, levequests/behests.

And the content I'm doing is available to everyone.

So, in light of that it is extremely disingenuous for the author of this article to skip over the missions and side-quests as though they don't factor.

They most certainly do.

To the author of this article/series.. If you're going to give the impression of genuinely following the game's updates and giving a comprehensive update on each one.. At least do it the justice of reporting on it accurately. Don't cherry-pick certain things while all but completely ignoring others.

There are those of us playing it who can and will call you out when you're being unfair or inaccurate. By all means, express as negative a personal opinion as you feel it warrants... But at least be thorough and accurate about the details while doing so.

 

Quoting for emphasis.

In addition, I'll also say that while FFXIV has a glaring number of flaws, as of late I've noticed that a large amount of the bad rap that it receives comes not from the actual problems the game has, but rather some misplaced grudge leftover from former players of the game who haven't touched it in months. Even the score this site gives us seems to be indicative of that. 2.7 points lower than say, Flyff? You've got to be @&#$ing joking. That wasn't even true at launch, nevermind now.