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  psyclum

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10/09/11 3:16:24 PM#21

as tight as your budget is, i'd still spend alittle more on the powersupply.  it's the one thing that will protect the rest of your rig.  i'd use a used hard drive before i use a questionable powersupply.  at least when the hard drive crashs, it doesnt take the rest of the system with it:D

  Jimmy_Scythe

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 3602

 
OP  10/09/11 10:21:18 PM#22
Originally posted by psyclum

as tight as your budget is, i'd still spend alittle more on the powersupply.  it's the one thing that will protect the rest of your rig.  i'd use a used hard drive before i use a questionable powersupply.  at least when the hard drive crashs, it doesnt take the rest of the system with it:D

I've only had one power supply got out on me and it just stopped working. It didn't fry anything. It just didn't turn on. Aside from the power supply that I used to replace the one that burned out, all of my power supplies came with the cases. 

To put that into perspective, consider the fact that I started building computers in 1996 and I've only had about three cases. So thats about five years per case and only one gave out on me. Power supplies are usually not something that worry to much about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2if5GYXOGyo

  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 3407

10/09/11 11:31:41 PM#23


Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
So can we please ditch this bullshit that PC gaming is just as affordable, or even as desireable, as console gaming? Even when I build my own rig, choosing the cheapest parts I can find, I'm unable to reach the PC gaming standard config without going over the $300 budget AND canabalizing the input and display from a previous build. If your trying to build your first PC, you're going to spend WAY more than you would on a console that you can just hook up to a TV that you already own.

 

I hear PC fanboys constantly talking about how you don't need a high end system for PC gaming, but they also tend to talk down to anyone that doesn't have a certian minimum system spec. Like the guy above that ejaculated about his triple monitor setup. It's velvet rope syndrome taken to a fucking obnoxious level.

 

Just once, I'd like to hear a PC purist admit that they were just fucking elitist. I won't ask that you admit to being groundlessly elitist, that would be to much truth for you to speak, but I would just like to hear the raw truth for a change. Behind all the insults, baiting, and bantering, it all boils down to what's under the hood more than what's on the screen. It's more about the cash you poured into the box, and less about actually playing the games.

 
 


I'm totally elitist and I'll admit it. I hate console controllers, I love keyboard/mouse, I love that I can upgrade hardware and see better graphics in my older games (even those that were previously maxed, with stuff like MLAA and Eyefinity). And I love that I get to build them myself and tinker with them, which is my absolute favorite part.

I totally hate console ports on the PC. Almost without exception I find them inferior to PC only games in terms of graphics, UI, controls, customability, and/or addons.

I totally love good graphics. Stick a good story with them and I'll play the game for hours, days, weeks... They don't have the be the best, they just have to be good enough to keep me entertained. I have been known to buy games just because I want to drool over the graphics (although unless they have a good story I don't play them long).

The problem is, that computer hardware spans a really big range performance-wise, but not price-wise - especially at the lower end of the hardware spectrum. You can't build a computer that is as crappy as the specs are in the consoles that can play games (because integrated graphics just can't), but on the flip side, a typical $800 gaming computer today is probably 10x faster than a console, and can still be upgraded even farther. But if you spend much less than that you end up with a PC that can't game at all.

PC gaming only becomes more "Economical" when you consider the fact that you can do a lot more than just game on a PC - it can do other entertainment and work loads as well. And there isn't a console out that just farts around on the internet as well as a PC, or does all internet content like a PC does - even a low end netbook can do internet stuff better than a console by far.

If your just looking to game - console is the best choice, I have to agree. One box does it all, you don't have to ever upgrade it, fight with drivers, or worry about your box becoming obsolete (at least until "next-gen" comes out). The problem I have with that is that almost invariably gaming is not the only thing I want to do - I love having a web browser open while I game, or watch a movie on my second monitor, or run several instances of the at same time and multi-box. And most of my favorite games are PC-only anyway.

  Quizzical

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13419

10/10/11 8:15:08 PM#24

You want a $300 system?  Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103955

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157277

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576003

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136770

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119118

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

Total:  $271, excluding peripherals.

Also, you're going to run Linux.  I hope you like Wine.

With peak power consumption around 100 W, the cheap junk power supply probably won't even fry the system.  Probably.

That will run most but not all games at moderate settings.  Except for when you can't get Wine to work, that is.  That might not be your goal, but the hardware in consoles can't do that, either.

  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 3407

10/11/11 1:21:48 AM#25


Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
 
My other plan was to buy a barebone kit and stick a GTX 550 Ti in it. I would go a little over budget, but it seems like nVidia cardd have to have a -50 on them to be suitable for gaming while the Radeon cards have to have a --70 in the number. Not sure if that's the way that the two companies denote gaming cards, as opposed to multimedia cards, or not.

Also this is a bit late in the thread, but:

For both nVidia and ATI, the first number is the generation of video card

5xx for nVidia is the current latest generation, 4xx was last year. nVidia jumped from 9000 to 200 about 3 years ago.
6xxx for ATI is the current generation, 7xxx is due out soon, 5xxx was last year's. ATI had some goofy numbering schemes several years ago, but has been pretty faithful since the 1000 series started

For nVidia the second number indicates relative power of the card in that generation.
A 550 is more powerful than a 520, for instance. The x60/x70/x80 are usually the gaming editions,, the x20/x30 the low end parts, the x50 the main stream consumer card, and the x90 is usually the ultimate super high end part.

The last number for nVidia is usually just used to distinguish between specific builds of a specific card, like the 280GTX vs 285GTX

For ATI it's a bit different. The second number denotes what family of chip (basically chip type), and roughly the higher the number the better the performance. And the third number is the relative performance.

So the 66xx and lower are the budget lines right now, the 67xx and 68xx are the main stream lines, and the 69xx series is the gaming/enthusiast line.

The third number denotes relative performance within that family, so a 6850 and a 6870 are the same family, and use the same chip, but the 6870 is clocked faster and has more shaders unlocked.

ATI rarely uses the final number.

There are also suffixes:
nVidia usually will use GTX or "Ultra" to denote high end builds of a specific model, GX or GT to denote main stream builds, and GS for value or budget builds. There were 3 or 4 different models of the 460 for instance: The 460 GTX, the 460 SE, the and the 460 GTX OEM - and all 3 of them performed radically different. In the current generation there is the 560GTX and the 560Ti GTX, with a minor performance difference.

ATI has gotten away from suffixes lately, and just uses the model number with the HD moniker on everything.

Both sides will add a "m" or "Mobility" to denote a laptop or low-power edition GPU. You can expect roughly half the performance.

Both companies have been known to recycle chips from previous generations. The nVidia 8800GTS went on to be rebranded as the 9800GT/GTX and 9600GTO, and then again as the GTS240 OEM and 250GTS, and then again as a mobile chipset GTX285M- basically the same chip with minor changes. ATI essentially just rebranded the 5770 as the 6770.

Really it's utterly confusing, and the video card people want it that way so they can overcharge consumers who can't keep up with all the lingo. It's an embarrassment for the PC community if you ask me. And these are just generalizations, there are more exceptions to these rules than there are cards that follow them. Really, benchmarks and performance data are the only things that anyone should use to differentiate between video cards, because you really can't tell much by the name or model number, and the market teams do their best to keep it that way.

  travdoty

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Joined: 8/11/06
Posts: 285

10/11/11 1:31:18 AM#26
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

 

 
So can we please ditch this bullshit that PC gaming is just as affordable, or even as desireable, as console gaming? Even when I build my own rig, choosing the cheapest parts I can find, I'm unable to reach the PC gaming standard config without going over the $300 budget AND canabalizing the input and display from a previous build. If your trying to build your first PC, you're going to spend WAY more than you would on a console that you can just hook up to a TV that you already own.
 
I hear PC fanboys constantly talking about how you don't need a high end system for PC gaming, but they also tend to talk down to anyone that doesn't have a certian minimum system spec. Like the guy above that ejaculated about his triple monitor setup. It's velvet rope syndrome taken to a fucking obnoxious level.
 
Just once, I'd like to hear a PC purist admit that they were just fucking elitist. I won't ask that you admit to being groundlessly elitist, that would be to much truth for you to speak, but I would just like to hear the raw truth for a change. Behind all the insults, baiting, and bantering, it all boils down to what's under the hood more than what's on the screen. It's more about the cash you poured into the box, and less about actually playing the games.
 
 

Lol, the kid is so butthurt that his little plan didn't work out that he doesn't realize how bad he made himself look :p

  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 3407

10/11/11 1:57:52 AM#27


Originally posted by travdoty


Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
 

 

So can we please ditch this bullshit that PC gaming is just as affordable, or even as desireable, as console gaming? Even when I build my own rig, choosing the cheapest parts I can find, I'm unable to reach the PC gaming standard config without going over the $300 budget AND canabalizing the input and display from a previous build. If your trying to build your first PC, you're going to spend WAY more than you would on a console that you can just hook up to a TV that you already own.

 

I hear PC fanboys constantly talking about how you don't need a high end system for PC gaming, but they also tend to talk down to anyone that doesn't have a certian minimum system spec. Like the guy above that ejaculated about his triple monitor setup. It's velvet rope syndrome taken to a fucking obnoxious level.

 

Just once, I'd like to hear a PC purist admit that they were just fucking elitist. I won't ask that you admit to being groundlessly elitist, that would be to much truth for you to speak, but I would just like to hear the raw truth for a change. Behind all the insults, baiting, and bantering, it all boils down to what's under the hood more than what's on the screen. It's more about the cash you poured into the box, and less about actually playing the games.

 

 


Lol, the kid is so butthurt that his little plan didn't work out that he doesn't realize how bad he made himself look :p

I wasn't going to mention that the only one here sounding obnoxious was.... the one person trying to defend the consoles. No one else said anything else about consoles at all really, until he brought it up here. And they still aren't.

Because - MMO players, and PC gamers in general, generally could care less about consoles, I've found. Unless the game happens to be a crappy console port.

  psyclum

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Joined: 2/01/10
Posts: 800

10/11/11 2:31:20 AM#28

once upon a time there was a good console, it ran a version of linux, then you can run wine on top of that:D

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