Originally posted by aesperus

If, they did something similar in terms of map setup (waves of NPCs and your team fights not only the other team, but also NPCs to achieve victory), that would be pretty fun.

 

Well, maybe thats just what we are going to see.... basically its all identicall.... as long as the NPC patrolls have set paths and goals, like the LoL minnions...  very dynamically too, pushing forward and falling back...

Give me a roulette casino mini game please! I've always wanted to log into my char after a night on the piss and find him naked, homeless and not a penny to his name after A night in the casino. :D  

I could see something LoL-like in structured PvP, 1 vs 1 with minions spawning all over the place. Making one or more PvP-maps out out of that concept could be something for small DLC content actually. :)

Then again, I guess the people really into that might just go play LoL...

I don't want to play DOTA in GW2, so even less a easy-dota-mode.

It's completely a different type of game and I prefer they focus on something else.

Plus, If I want to play a Dota-Genre game, I wouldn't want to play it as a mini-game in a non-dota-genre game. I would play Dota.

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Sure, why not. Would be fun if done right. 

Originally posted by andre369

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Yeah, that'd be cool. Contrary to popular taste I always found PvP more fun with trash mobs mixed in. It makes my "hero" fell more "heroic" :D

Originally posted by andre369

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Guild Wars 1 has pretty much this exact thing.  http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zos_Shivros_Channel

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by andre369

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Guild Wars 1 has pretty much this exact thing.  http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zos_Shivros_Channel

Funny I have not seen that map, just says how meaningless it was. They have to make it more fun and rewarding for players to do it. 

MOBA PvP would be amazing in gw2!

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Ezhae

I don't really think MOBA style game would work well inside a MMO as something that's simply tacked on for sake of "innovation". Even the supposed innovation would be questionable considering how old DotA is, and the mode would never be as polished as dedicated games of this genre. 

I'm pretty sure they wille xpand on PvP over time however, seeing as at release only COntrol PVP maps will be in game, but waves and waves f NPCs along with towers and all that fancy mechanics... too much resource heavy to bother while you have to upkeep whole MMO alongside. 

I admit that the only innovation of a Dota minigame in an MMO would be the fact that its done in an MMO...

 

But if done well, it can be just as good, or maybe even better then a dedicated Dota game.... Arenanet has a habbit of making these things work incredibly well.... Polymock anyone?

 

A complete MOBA minigame within an MMO would never attain the diversity and flexibility that results from being able to select from almost a hundred different champions with unique abilities, which is one of the utmost key factors that make these MOBA games so compelling and fun for so long.  

There is one common feature of MOBA games, however, that I think would enhance instanced MMO pvp tremendously: character progression over the course of the pvp match.  I don't even fully understand why, but it's ridiculously exciting and fun to level up, gain new skills, enhance the effects of those skills, and decide on your gear build order in a LoL match every single time.  Obviously implementation of this in an MMO pvp setting would vary significantly from how it is done in MOBA games, but there are certainly ways to have MMO characters achieve personal progression within a single match.

This would help serve the additional purpose of making each pvp match about choices made and performance within that PVP battle, and less about how good your character's gear is prior to entering the pvp battle, which is already a stated goal in GW2. It seems like it would fit perfectly in GW2's current pvp design, where you are automatically advanced to max level with end game skills and (I believe) a streamlined set of armor in structured pvp battles.  Since everyone starts off on the same footing, they can make the same progression available to everyone.  It could be a lot of fun.    

This is something that must be implemented in a very very good way, almost like a separate game. Otherwise this will not have the same appeal like another MOBA and will fail hard.

Originally posted by andre369

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by andre369

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Guild Wars 1 has pretty much this exact thing.  http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zos_Shivros_Channel

Funny I have not seen that map, just says how meaningless it was. They have to make it more fun and rewarding for players to do it. 

You haven't seen a map, so you draw the conclusion that it's meaningless, nobody is doing it and that it needs to be more fun and rewarding?

At least some people are still doing it (at least 50 attempts today and their scores are nowhere near the quarterly best, so there must be guilds still strategizing for it)

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/challenge_mission_ladder/default.php

Even if people really aren't doing it, it's really a stretch that it's meaningless.  The reward is primarily Luxon faction, which automatically divides the population in half (Kurzick/Luxon) and excludes people who didn't buy Factions.  If you're Kurzick, that's the reason you've never seen it right there. 

Because its reward is Luxon faction and it came out 5 and a half years ago, there's probably a lot of people who no longer need it or simply don't care anymore.  Just because something like Black Temple in WoW is never done anymore doesn't mean it wasn't at one point extremely important to a lot of people.

I've tried doing Zos Shivros with heroes on a whim (not well).  Even trying to get a bunch of other people to do it or invest enough to develop strategies is probably extremely hard to find, especially since it does take a significant amount of time to do, being wave after wave.

Anyway, my point is that you should be happy it was in GW1 and thus might have a good shot of making it into GW2, not worry about how well it's held up to present day.

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by andre369

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by andre369

I would love to have challanges that sendt unlimited amounts of monster waves and you would have to defend a castle or a keep. This could be a format where 5 or 10 people would defend it. It also would get harder and harder every round. Ofc there would be leaderboards and rewards for getting 1,2 or 3 place. This could take place in the mists even though it is not PvP, or there could be 5 different maps, one in each main city.

What are your thoughts on something like this?

Guild Wars 1 has pretty much this exact thing.  http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zos_Shivros_Channel

Funny I have not seen that map, just says how meaningless it was. They have to make it more fun and rewarding for players to do it. 

You haven't seen a map, so you draw the conclusion that it's meaningless, nobody is doing it and that it needs to be more fun and rewarding?

At least some people are still doing it (at least 50 attempts today and their scores are nowhere near the quarterly best, so there must be guilds still strategizing for it)

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/challenge_mission_ladder/default.php

Even if people really aren't doing it, it's really a stretch that it's meaningless.  The reward is primarily Luxon faction, which automatically divides the population in half (Kurzick/Luxon) and excludes people who didn't buy Factions.  If you're Kurzick, that's the reason you've never seen it right there. 

Because its reward is Luxon faction and it came out 5 and a half years ago, there's probably a lot of people who no longer need it or simply don't care anymore.  Just because something like Black Temple in WoW is never done anymore doesn't mean it wasn't at one point extremely important to a lot of people.

I've tried doing Zos Shivros with heroes on a whim (not well).  Even trying to get a bunch of other people to do it or invest enough to develop strategies is probably extremely hard to find, especially since it does take a significant amount of time to do, being wave after wave.

Anyway, my point is that you should be happy it was in GW1 and thus might have a good shot of making it into GW2, not worry about how well it's held up to present day.

I know, and thats why I want it if they add something similar to be yes more important and avaible for everyone, so people actually bother developing tactics etc.

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Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

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Originally posted by altairr

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Originally posted by jondifool

with 30+ minigames already in GW2 and most of them i quess would be PvP based , why now want to add the next ones to the in-game store? Or maybe you can explain more clearly what road it is you are visioning ?

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Yes that is really true, you must consider it first, and then think about it. 30 is enough for game like GW2

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LAst number i hear was around 11 at release...  Where did you ever find that number in the 30's?
On top of that, there was no mention anywhere that these minigames would involve PvP.
 
Many of those minigames will be of the more simple kind, like a bow shooting minigame... Nothing very spectacular... but knowing Arenanet, very much fun to participate... I have seen a playingcard game mentioned somewhere else, but never i have seen PvP kind of things.
 
On top of that we are derailing from the oprriginal post, would a LoL kind of minigame be fun?

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It might be, but I am not sure it would work in GW2. Perhaps some sort of arena minigame would be similar to what you want, but I imagine there is already something very like that in Lion's Arch as it is.

I would like for there to be a map like LoL in one of their conquest maps.  Instead of the trebuchet as the secondary mechanic, this map could have portals that spawns npcs and guard towers.  These portals can be repaired, but destroying these portals will temporarily provide your team with an advantage.

It could also be setup similar to LoL, with 3 lanes.  You'll find some capture points behind the enemy's towers.

Originally posted by aesperus

I think it could work easy enough, but tbh I wouldn't want this feature in GW2.

LoL is pretty fun, I admit, but it really does have it's own niche fanbase. Trying to replicate something similar in GW2, with far less heroes (ie less variety) would seem like a pretty poor want to spend resources imho.

If, they did something similar in terms of map setup (waves of NPCs and your team fights not only the other team, but also NPCs to achieve victory), that would be pretty fun.

In fact, that would be almost identical to how GvG worked in the first game. I'd definitely welcome something like that (still 3rd person perspective, no change of skills / etc., just conquest with added NPC armies to keep the momentum going). This wouldn't really be needed, given how fast paced the combat already is in GW2 (and the respawn rate is really quick as well), but it could be really fun if setup right. The trebuchet's would probably kill the map, though, lol. I could definitely see that being the deciding factor.

I really doubt LoL is in the niche anymore, doesn't it have more players than WoW or something now?

But I don't think less heroes equal lesser variety, the fact that you will have many builds within one class makes it have more variety than LoL. Think customisation as heroes.

But I think the devs already have something like this in mind, GW2's PvP display at (Gamescom?) showed a lot of similarities with the Dominion mode. Their PvP last much longer than your average PvP. It rewards teamwork and personal prowess in combat (I've actually seen one person defending a capture point by himself)

I don't think the mode will be exactly the same as LoL, but the idea of lane and tower defence are probably in one of the structure pvp modes already :D

Originally posted by xKingdomx

Originally posted by aesperus

I think it could work easy enough, but tbh I wouldn't want this feature in GW2.

LoL is pretty fun, I admit, but it really does have it's own niche fanbase. Trying to replicate something similar in GW2, with far less heroes (ie less variety) would seem like a pretty poor want to spend resources imho.

If, they did something similar in terms of map setup (waves of NPCs and your team fights not only the other team, but also NPCs to achieve victory), that would be pretty fun.

In fact, that would be almost identical to how GvG worked in the first game. I'd definitely welcome something like that (still 3rd person perspective, no change of skills / etc., just conquest with added NPC armies to keep the momentum going). This wouldn't really be needed, given how fast paced the combat already is in GW2 (and the respawn rate is really quick as well), but it could be really fun if setup right. The trebuchet's would probably kill the map, though, lol. I could definitely see that being the deciding factor.

I really doubt LoL is in the niche anymore, doesn't it have more players than WoW or something now?

 

But I don't think less heroes equal lesser variety, the fact that you will have many builds within one class makes it have more variety than LoL. Think customisation as heroes.

 

But I think the devs already have something like this in mind, GW2's PvP display at (Gamescom?) showed a lot of similarities with the Dominion mode. Their PvP last much longer than your average PvP. It rewards teamwork and personal prowess in combat (I've actually seen one person defending a capture point by himself)

 

I don't think the mode will be exactly the same as LoL, but the idea of lane and tower defence are probably in one of the structure pvp modes already :D

They announced 15 million accounts created about 4-5 months ago and 1.4million uniqe accounts playing every day and 4.5 millions play every month. So yea, it's a pretty niche fanbase, LoL:p

Anet has said that every structured PvP map so far is Capture points, which I think is a bit sad:( Why no deathmatch, kill counts etc... Probably the whole comunity would want this...

One question, when you enter the mists/structured PvP do you use your own armor and get access to all upgrades. I mean do you get the armor that you have struggled for in PvE?(Cosmetic looks, not stats)

LoL and MOBA game-play is far from a niche, and I was actually thinking about something similar as the OP.  Would be a very fun minigame, I'd think.  Particularly if rewards were tied to participation.