Rift was the game that made me lose my all hopes with the current MMORPGs.

I was always a f2p guy since subscriptions get a bit expensive in my country and I was just not that interested. I used to hear a lot how p2p games were not mindless grindfests like those generic Korean free games. Then there was that Rift anniversary promotion in which they allowed people to play the game for free for 5 days.

Man, I was disapointed. The game began as always, in front of some person who has that exclamation on his head that gave me some quest to talk to another NPC, and soon I was doing lots of the quest that has always been haunting my dreams: "Go there and kill X of those mobs!" And it followed like that always. I was like "If people say this game is a wow clone, so that's what wow and p2p are? A polished grindfest with better community?"

Still, I liked some stuff like the way you can customize your profession with 3 sub-classes, but all in all, there were better things to do with $15. I've got to try that WoW trial but now I'm not that motivated.

Boy, those guys at Trion are some cocky suckers.  

LOL@YetAnotherWowKiller

WoW is the most polished MMORPG nowadays, I dont say its greatest MMORPG (its not), but it leaves no space for other games of the same type (cheesy grind/quests/instances/bosses/pvp). So unless greedy devs try something different (and they wont do it because its risky and shit-cloning is still profitable) they wont do anything worthy. All they can do is brag about being WoW killer, lie, advertise, create more shitty MMOs hoping that people will believe them (and, god, they do...) and pay them for their shit.

I've played Rift for a month. It is WoW with better graphics/mechanics/leveling. Trion was created by ex-Blizzard and NCsoft employees so that isn't a surprise (WoW + Lineage2 = Rift). 

The lower levels definitely aren't dead and there is a sizeable server population to provide fast queue times for non-DPS classes at any level. That said, there isn't anything NEW in Rift. It is the same shit WoW was. 

So basically yes, I am wasting time in Rift until Diablo 3. I will test SWTOR and GW2 for ingenuity, but they will probably be clones themselves. Dont forget we have Skyrim coming next month.

 One word: hubris.

Yikes!

Originally posted by mindblwn

I've played Rift for a month. It is WoW with better graphics/mechanics/leveling. Trion was created by ex-Blizzard and NCsoft employees so that isn't a surprise (WoW + Lineage2 = Rift). 

The lower levels definitely aren't dead and there is a sizeable server population to provide fast queue times for non-DPS classes at any level. That said, there isn't anything NEW in Rift. It is the same shit WoW was. 

So basically yes, I am wasting time in Rift until Diablo 3. I will test SWTOR and GW2 for ingenuity, but they will probably be clones themselves. Dont forget we have Skyrim coming next month.

Yeah but Trion is founded by a rather special genius, Van Canagheden. He has made over 100 computer games, my favorite is the first "Heroes of might and magic", a game that changed turn based strategy for good.

Sadly did he leave the company 3 years before Rift launched and I am not sure if he had anything to do with it or not.

It is true that Rift in many ways are much like Wow, but Trion is the second company that actually copied the good parts of Wow (Turbines LOTRO is the first), they copied a well made game with steady updates and fast bug fixing.

It is not the next Wow, the games are just too similar to eachother, not even Blizzard think another game that close can do what Wow did and that is the reason Titan a MMOFPS instead. But it is indeed pretty good, and a excellent game for beginners and people who hasn't played EQ and Wow too much.

I don't think GW2 and TOR will be so similar to Wow, TOR is a mix between Wow and KOTOR and if nothing else should the sci fi setting makes it feel a lot more different, while GW2s basic were set up by Jeff Strain (who funny enough set up the lines for Wow and Diablo as well, but he isn't the type of guy that makes the same thing twice), and it's active dodge and lack of gear focus should make it a different experience.

Trion already said 2 years before the release that Rift was a classic MMO but with some new features. What they didn't tell us then was that it's dynamic events were so similar to eachother, it took me about 4 hours in the beta to tire of them.

Rift is an excellent game if you havn't spend too long time in MMORPGs. But it basically have the same combat as Meridian 59 from 1996 so for me it felt like I already played it.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Blizzard/Activision will never have to "worry" about anything...

Even if WoW were to cease to exist all of a sudden they'd still be swimming in golden pools of money.

 

That being said, I just hope the folks over at Blizzard/Activision aren't blaming TOR/RIFT or anyone else for WoW beginning to decline.

It's their fault for pulling all the talent off of WoW and sticking it on Diablo 3 and Starcraft II and Titan.

The "B" team has really screwed the pooch - Vanilla and BC were totally different games then WOTLK and Cata.

 

Trion is delusional.

They will never be able to compete with the likes of Bioware/EA and Blizzard/Activision.

That's like Grenada competing with China.

Thats like USA never be able competing with CHINA:p

Could not agree more. Rift for me is the second best thing after wow happened to MMO. Looking forward SWTOR for sure. Hope will have then 3 great gaming experiences to alternate for my gaming needs. :-)

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

I grew tired of Rift within weeks.... stories where definately not its strongest point...

He speaks the truth. From a technical standpoint, there's nothing wrong with Rift. It's a WoW clone and does a terrific job at it however, there is so much reading and so little "personality" in the game, that I found myself not caring at all within a very short while.

Someone mentioned that World of Warcraft had lost more than a millions subs. Just out of curiosity, where is that information coming from? I have no doubt that they have lost subscribers but I hadn't actually seen any hard evidence of that and I'm curious as to what the evidence of Rift being a "serious competitor" to World of Warcraft is. Best case scenario is that Rift has 500,000 subs (being very generous here) and WoW has at least 11 million people playing.... so someone needs to clarify what serious competition is.

I do think that World of Warcraft has hit it's peak but let's be honest.... it's still going to contune to make money hand over fist and Blizzard is going to continue supporting the game with great expansions while working on their next MMO. In my opinion, the biggest competitor to the number of people playing World of Warcraft is going to be Diablo 3, not The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2 or Rift.

Originally posted by forest-nl

Thats like USA never be able competing with CHINA:p

Well, power changes. China was the most powerful nation in the world 1450 while Europe was poor and rather pathetic, no one saw that comming. And if someone said that China would pass US 30 years ago people would have laughed.

Trion might surpass Blizzard, that is actually not that far off. But Rift wont be the new Wow, if Trion becomes the new Blizzard it will be because a new game we havn't tried yet.

Rift is a fine game and if it had released in 2005 things might be very different today, but it did release 6 years too late for that. 

Don't laugh at Trion. Games workshop laughed like h*ll when a small company showed them a demo of a RTS and wanted license for it as a Warhammer game. Instead they changed it somewhat and called it Warcraft.

The mighty fall and new blood takes over.

But even if Trion surpasses Blizzard it just wont be with Rift. And take a long look on Blizzards games before 1997 to see how fast things can change.

Rift is awesome game without  soul, something like ''mmo zombie''.  I am getting bored from all this '' swtor,gw2,wow''. It is just pure speculation and we don't know how players will react, remember that hype about Rift, people used to say--wow killer, game forever, bla bla bla. Rift is solid game, nothing more and nothing less.

Originally posted by Jakard

He speaks the truth. From a technical standpoint, there's nothing wrong with Rift. It's a WoW clone and does a terrific job at it however, there is so much reading and so little "personality" in the game, that I found myself not caring at all within a very short while.

Someone mentioned that World of Warcraft had lost more than a millions subs. Just out of curiosity, where is that information coming from? I have no doubt that they have lost subscribers but I hadn't actually seen any hard evidence of that and I'm curious as to what the evidence of Rift being a "serious competitor" to World of Warcraft is. Best case scenario is that Rift has 500,000 subs (being very generous here) and WoW has at least 11 million people playing.... so someone needs to clarify what serious competition is.

I do think that World of Warcraft has hit it's peak but let's be honest.... it's still going to contune to make money hand over fist and Blizzard is going to continue supporting the game with great expansions while working on their next MMO. In my opinion, the biggest competitor to the number of people playing World of Warcraft is going to be Diablo 3, not The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2 or Rift.

Blizzard said themselves they had lost half a million player in 6 months this spring, that is from Morhaime but 1 million is probably just a guess. It is at least half a million players though.

I agree about Rifts story but Wows story is a lot better now than it was at release, adding new and better written quest is the easiest part.

Originally posted by mindblwn

I've played Rift for a month. It is WoW with better graphics/mechanics/leveling.

Actually WoW has better mechanics and leveling.  The only thing Rift trumps it on are graphics.

Originally posted by Jakard

 

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Someone mentioned that World of Warcraft had lost more than a millions subs. Just out of curiosity, where is that information coming from? I have no doubt that they have lost subscribers but I hadn't actually seen any hard evidence of that and I'm curious as to what the evidence of Rift being a "serious competitor" to World of Warcraft is. Best case scenario is that Rift has 500,000 subs (being very generous here) and WoW has at least 11 million people playing.... so someone needs to clarify what serious competition is.

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The figures were posted some time ago by Blizzard, they lost 500k in the last quarter and the two previous quarters add up to nearly 500k in losses, so wow has lost close to 1 million subs this year. Also I believe these losses are EU/US only and do not include any asia losses.

The problem with the 11 million+ figure is the way in which they count subs from asia which account for 6 million of the 11 million figure. As far as I'm aware asia has a different model where they buy blocks of time, an account is classed as active if there is 10p sitting on your account but you've not played in 3 years, its a very clever marketing strategy indeed.

The bottom line is that WOW has started to decline and with increased competition from companies like Trion its no wonder, the real test is going to come in December.

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by mindblwn

I've played Rift for a month. It is WoW with better graphics/mechanics/leveling.

Actually WoW has better mechanics and leveling.  The only thing Rift trumps it on are graphics.

They are rather similar to me. As are most other MMOs for that matter, like LOTRO, EQ 1 & 2 and Meridian 59 that is 15 years old.

Lets say that Rifts graphics is better, the rest is just a matter of taste. Rifts customization is also better but it have just 4 classes which is worse.

Originally posted by Coolit

The figures were posted some time ago by Blizzard, they lost 500k in the last quarter and the two previous quarters add up to nearly 500k in losses, so wow has lost close to 1 million subs this year. Also I believe these losses are EU/US only and do not include any asia losses.

The problem with the 11 million+ figure is the way in which they count subs from asia which account for 6 million of the 11 million figure. As far as I'm aware asia has a different model where they buy blocks of time, an account is classed as active if there is 10p sitting on your account but you've not played in 3 years, its a very clever marketing strategy indeed.

The bottom line is that WOW has started to decline and with increased competition from companies like Trion its no wonder, the real test is going to come in December.

What? They actually lost that much the last 3 months? You have source for that (not that I don't believe you, I know that the first thing is true but I like actual sources, sometimes people say the most outragous things here ;).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys, but if you are a competitor, you are just not a serious one. And i personally think Swtor share the same fate as yours. Wow have a clean futur, they will probably lost a million or 2 from you both guys but not more, not for an extended time at least.

Originally posted by Requiamer

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys, but if you are a competitor, you are just not a serious one. And i personally think Swtor share the same fate as yours. Wow have a clean futur, they will probably lost a million or 2 from you both guys but not more, not for an extended time at least.

Wow is old and is losing players now. I am not so sure it is to Rifts however, bit it will drop steady over a few years just like all old games. If that 1 million players in 9 months really is true it is faster than I thought.

There is a reason Blizz moved all the best people to Titan, they realize that Wow is now and past while Titan is the future (unless they botch it up).

I don't think Wow will loose millions of players to the same game, some will go to Rift or TOR, others to GW2 or even Diablo 3.

All games evetually gets old, even Wow and I don't think you can expect it to loose a certain number and then just stop. Sure, when other games launches the losses might go up a little temporarily, but it will most likely be a rather even flow unless something truly great releases and blows everybodys minds.

Originally posted by Master10K

The funny thing is that just a couple hours ago, whilst I was level grinding in Rift, I got into a random conversation with people in General chat. Mostly about how excited we were for SW:TOR and GW2, especially with regards to PvP. It really just punctuates the fact that a lot of people, within the Rift community, are using Rift as a time-waster until the big boys come out. 

Totally and it's Trion fault for producing a half baked tribute act to WoW and not a game with a proper identity of it's own.

Trion are seriously delusional, they remind me of Captain Ahab and he's whale.  Nothing else matters to Trion then Rift, 'killing', or been seen to be outdoing WoW, which there so far from achieveing on any level it's a joke.

Originally posted by Loke666

What? They actually lost that much the last 3 months? You have source for that (not that I don't believe you, I know that the first thing is true but I like actual sources, sometimes people say the most outragous things here ;).

 

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