I choose to let my irrational hatred of EA blind me,

Who's with me?

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock
 

Mass Effect 2 is the most critically acclaimed game EA has ever published in something like 27 years.

Metacritic of like 96/100 and something like 70 perfect reviews and literally dozens of awards.

Apparently, "facts" disagree with your opinion.

You are missing the point completely and apparently have not read the thread                      .

Actually I'm all the way back on page one of this thread too!

But thanks for reading and playing the forum game!

You miss the point and are blinded by hate and ignorance that holds NO merit nor any basis in logic and reason.

I'll spell it out for you just in case -

You said: "the point is here its the developers that were dismantled .. and there are many that EA has purchased strip down and dismantled .. Every one that they have ever purchased , has met the same fate .. dozens since the 80s .. and you think Bioware will be different how?it wont"

and then I proved you wrong since Bioware has made some of the best games of all time according to... every body since being acquired by EA.

Originally posted by Thekandy

I choose to let my irrational hatred of EA blind me,

Who's with me?

And I thought "rabid hate for a publisher" mass hysteria was reserved for SOE...  

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Tha failure of the game is not what the point is here its the developers that were dismantled .. and there are many that EA has purchased strip down and dismantled .. Every one that they have ever purchased , has met the same fate .. dozens since the 80s .. and you think Bioware will be different how?.................it wont

Mass Effect 2 is the most critically acclaimed game EA has ever published in something like 27 years.

Metacritic of like 96/100 and something like 70 perfect reviews and literally dozens of awards.

Apparently, "facts" disagree with your opinion.

You are missing the point completely and apparently have not read the thread                      .

Actually I'm all the way back on page one of this thread too!

But thanks for reading!

You miss the point and are blinded by hate and ignorance that holds NO merit nor any basis in logic and reason.

 

Lol i dont hate EA one bit , matter of fact i love them and hold a very nice portfolio with quite a bit of there stock .. but i digress...

     What i wrote are facts ...do some research

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Tha failure of the game is not what the point is here its the developers that were dismantled .. and there are many that EA has purchased strip down and dismantled .. Every one that they have ever purchased , has met the same fate .. dozens since the 80s .. and you think Bioware will be different how?.................it wont

Mass Effect 2 is the most critically acclaimed game EA has ever published in something like 27 years.

Metacritic of like 96/100 and something like 70 perfect reviews and literally dozens of awards.

Apparently, "facts" disagree with your opinion.

You are missing the point completely and apparently have not read the thread                      .

Actually I'm all the way back on page one of this thread too!

But thanks for reading!

You miss the point and are blinded by hate and ignorance that holds NO merit nor any basis in logic and reason.

 

Lol i dont hate EA one bit , matter of fact i love them and hold a very nice portfolio with quite a bit of there stock .. but i digress...

 

     What i wrote are facts ...do some research

I hate EA but they put out some good games.

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Tha failure of the game is not what the point is here its the developers that were dismantled .. and there are many that EA has purchased strip down and dismantled .. Every one that they have ever purchased , has met the same fate .. dozens since the 80s .. and you think Bioware will be different how?.................it wont

Mass Effect 2 is the most critically acclaimed game EA has ever published in something like 27 years.

Metacritic of like 96/100 and something like 70 perfect reviews and literally dozens of awards.

Apparently, "facts" disagree with your opinion.

You are missing the point completely and apparently have not read the thread                      .

Actually I'm all the way back on page one of this thread too!

But thanks for reading!

You miss the point and are blinded by hate and ignorance that holds NO merit nor any basis in logic and reason.

 

Lol i dont hate EA one bit , matter of fact i love them and hold a very nice portfolio with quite a bit of there stock .. but i digress...

 

     What i wrote are facts ...do some research

I hate EA but they put out some good games.

You are right and i never said they didnt .. i wouldnt invest so heavily in company for over 20 years that i didnt believe in .. What i am saying that wether a Dev makes good or bad games doesnt matter once EA owns DEV they begin to splinter them at some point , assiging there resources as they see fit ..   They do write the checks at the end of the day ...

Originally posted by BadSpock

It's ok, no matter WHAT anyone says...

On THIS website, this tiny little corner of the internet -

Bioware makes bad games that are big flops and everyone hates them and if you don't agree then you are a stupid fanboi or a troll and an idiot.

Yep, just keep telling yourselves that MMORPG.com people...

 

Yep, it's true, Bioware is totally sucking the c*ck of EA and TOR is going to be a HUGE FLOP and be F2P in 3 months and be shut down after 6.

Yep, you guys are ALL right.

Genius.

They should let you guys run the world, you are apparently GODS.

 

I don't recall seeing anyone say SWTOR will flop. I'll go re-read the last few pages.

Nobody wants to join in on my hatefest? That's disappointing, i had the hatorade ready and everything.

Do i really have to drag Smedley into this?

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Scorchien

Amazing how you are completly missing the topic of this conversation entirely.. but you have a nice day .

I can't believe I have to keep doing this...

You said EA buys/acquires companies and pulls them apart and ruins them and ruins their games.

This implies that EA pulls all the strings and ruins their developer's games.

I point out the FACT that their best game ever according to anyone (Mass Effect 2) was from one such relationship where Bioware is acquired by EA.

This would imply that you are WRONG and EA does not always pull apart companies they acquire, and, in fact, in the case of Bioware is letting them do their own thing because Bioware makes great games and BAM we back to the subject of this thread.

How much lower do I have to go to explain this?

Pictures?

Ive already pointed out in the post above what I saw wrong with ME2.  Perhaps you'd like to serve a more personal opinion as to why it was superior to Bioware's past games instead of relying on the hype of reviewers and fans. 

Then there was Dragon Age Origins.  Which is the only game I have failed to complete that Ive purchased since I dont know when.  I have tried multiple times but become so bored with it, I just cant finish.  About every year since Ive purchased it I throw it back in the tray, and say to myself, " Okay, Im going to finally try to get through this one."  It never happens.  The game seemed incredibly linear despite having an open world map.  Combat to me seemed repetitive although complex enough.  I never found it extremely entertaining though.  Ive tried multiple classes.  This is also coming from someone who finished Baldurs Gate 2 twice and loved it. 

Then there was Dragon Age 2.  This was the first time in history perhaps, that Bioware made a lackluster game.  Once again I'll have to defer to your method of relying on what other people are saying, because after hearing so many bad things about it, I never bothered to make a purchase.  Particularly being I couldnt ever get through the first game out of pure tedium.  

Dragon Age 2 is when I believed the hype train for Bioware begin to come to a skretching halt.  Bioware could EASILY gotten away with Mass Effect 2.  It was still a good game.  They could have even gotten away with Dragon Age Origins just as easily.  But it was at this point (the release of DA2) that people begain to question.  I think thats the game that has become a smear on Bioware's flawless (and I do mean FLAWLESS) reputation.  If it hadnt been for that, people wouldnt even be asking these questions regarding EA ruining Bioware. 

In my mind, I begain to notice some subtle problems before DA2, with a couple of Biowares other games, and wasnt surprised in the least when DA2 was not well accepted. 

Mass Effect 3 as well as Swtor may change all this.  However if both those games are accepted as lackluster, I dont think there's going to be much debate as to Bioware loosing its touch.  Whether thats EA's fault or not, who can tell?  But its a good bet that would be the problem.  

Originally posted by Scorchien

will be splintered ............period .. go back and read the thread others also pointed out devs that ea has dismantled ...   you seem to be taking away from the thread only what you want

Ultima Online, Earth and Beyond, Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online: Age of Wreckoning.

Let's see...

Ultima Online was limping on life support after the 2nd generation of MMO games came out like Shadowbane, SWG, FFXI, and really was pretty much dead when generation 2.5 hit (WoW, EQ2)

I loved Ultima Online but just like everyone else I jumped ship for SWG, WoW, etc.

They had to change/update/get with the times to remain a float and guess what? They stil are! It seems they made the right call.

Earth and Beyond was great fun, really liked that game, but SWG came out and no one played E&B anymore or people went back to EvE. Nothing they could do to keep that game alive.

DaoC is still running and still getting updates but again generation 2.5 came out DaoC became a ghost town - but it still lives so EA made the right calls there.

Warhammer was a massive cluster but I honestly don't think EA could do anything but try and recoup their losses due to TERRIBLE design decisions that stem from both Mythic and Gamesworkshop. The fact the game still runs and isn't F2P says to me it's supported just enough to be profitable. So again, right decision by EA to cut ties with a sinking ship and focus on TOR and just keep WAR limping.

I have been just as frustrated with the sacking of UO2 and UXO as I was super excited when those were announced, but after Tabula Rasa I lost all faith in the original UO devs so it's probably a good thing UO2 or UXO never saw the light of day.

Originally posted by Corehaven

 

Perhaps you'd like to serve a more personal opinion as to why it was superior to Bioware's past games instead of relying on the hype of reviewers and fans. 

I too thought ME 1 was much better in terms of over-all story and exploration, but I liked the characters of ME2 much better and the story while the "main" story was shorter it was still good and I liked the characters so much more I enjoyed all of their little sub plots.

The combat mechanics were tighter, the weapons and abilities better, however I vastly enjoyed the level-up system in ME1 much better.

I hated the inventory management in ME1 and all the damn elevators but thought they went too far in ME2 to just remove inventory completely. ME3 looks like it's going to have a much better balance with all the armor/weapon modding.

DLC for ME2 was amazing too and introduced some of the best characters and plots/missions.

ME2 lacked in not having a "bad guy" in that ME1 had Saren and ME2 just had.. the Reapers/Collectors and I always appreciate a story with an actual villain that is mortal not some omni-present threat kind of thing.

Dragon Age 1 I hated the combat system and hated that the main character wasn't a spoken character, so I played it for maybe 4-5 hours then gave it back (was borrowing it.)

Dragon Age 2 I actually really enjoy the characters and combat (and VO) but the plot is kind of iffy as it doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere and too much of the map is reused too often. I agree with those criticisms. I didn't finish DA2 either.

Played Neverwinter Nights and all expansions (official) back in they day and it was great, loved KOTOR 1 played through a couple of times, never got into Bulder's Gate.

I just don't see the "slide downhill" everyone else talks about when they talk about Bioware.

DA2 did a lot of things much, much better and some things much, much worse.

ME2 did a lot of things much, much better and some things much, much worse.

The same could be said for any sequel of any movie or game or book or anything, period.

There exist people who don't like The Empire Strikes Back as much as A New Hope or Return of the Jedi.

I think they are crazy, but maybe ESB was the one sequel to ever completely and totally surpass the original?

you're delusional if you believe that.

what was the Bio guy going to say? "yah EA sucks, they're all over us to rush our games out..affecting our quality"

gullible sir..you are it's master

All I'm going to really say here is the EA IS working differently with BioWare then they have in the past which can easily be seen if you take into account that this was most of a merger of BioWare into their RPG department heads as Muzyka became a VP at EA after the merger.   They took over one of the previous RPG studios, instead of keeping them separate like EA would usually do.

Everyone can believe what they want to believe when it comes to what happens behind closed doors.  The fact of the matter is,  ME2 was published by EA,  and it is regarded by some as quite possibly the BEST game of our generation and is THE highest rated game in EAs history.

Not really much to say other than,  BioWare will keep doing what they do,  if they suddenly drop tremendously in quality,  I stand to bet it has less to do with EA and more to do with BioWare outstaying their welcome.  I don't forsee this as an issue with SWTOR and ME3,  but there are other projects on the horizon,  and theres a lot of room to become skeptical.  

Originally posted by firefly2003

 

If BioWare fans don't like something about one of the company's games, a popular tactic is to blame EA. After all, the mega-publisher bought BioWare, and now must be poisoning the studio's development, right? Wrong!

In an interview with Eurogamer, BioWare co-founders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk insist their studio still has "huge autonomy," and that EA isn't some sinister force calling the shots from behind a curtain.

"We're not being forced to do anything or told to do anything. We make the decisions. We take input," says Zeschuk. "It's just funny when people say that, because it's not actually remotely true."

"The key is to never lose sight of the fact that, at the end of the day, we're making entertainment and art," Muzyka adds. "We're tying to make a fun experience for the fans. They're one of our key stake holders and we have to deliver and exceed their expectations."

So, every questionable decision surrounding BioWare games isn't EA's fault…but I'm still pretty sure that heavy metal Dragon Age: Origins trailer was.

(Source: Eurogamer)

They can say whatever they want but EA is pulling BIOWARES BALLS and it shows from dragon age:origin to DA2 even worse and SWTOR showing EA destroying slowly bioware how it was 7,8 years ago and before. Its console developer and WoW copy maker.

And only consoles fans or ex-pc casual fans say ME series and all crap they release lately are best games ever and there not even realy rpg's anymore just super slick casual action games(DA2 one worse games ever made) to make as much money as they can, ME/DA/SWTOR is proof of that.

Originally posted by Groovydutch

 

They can say whatever they want but EA is pulling BIOWARES BALLS and it shows from dragon age:origin to DA2 even worse and SWTOR showing EA destroying slowly bioware how it was 7,8 years ago and before. Its console developer and WoW copy maker.

And only consoles fans or ex-pc casual fans say ME series and all crap they release lately are best games ever and there not even realy rpg's anymore just super slick casual action games(DA2 one worse games ever made) to make as much money as they can, ME/DA/SWTOR is proof of that.

My memory is fading, how good was Neverwinter Nights when it first came out again?

Yeah, thought so.

EA is awful.  I think Bioware is capible of messing things up on its own though, I am sure they want to push the release before christmas and before the other AAA mmorpgs of 2012 come out.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Corehaven

 

Perhaps you'd like to serve a more personal opinion as to why it was superior to Bioware's past games instead of relying on the hype of reviewers and fans. 

I too thought ME 1 was much better in terms of over-all story and exploration, but I liked the characters of ME2 much better and the story while the "main" story was shorter it was still good and I liked the characters so much more I enjoyed all of their little sub plots.

The combat mechanics were tighter, the weapons and abilities better, however I vastly enjoyed the level-up system in ME1 much better.

I hated the inventory management in ME1 and all the damn elevators but thought they went too far in ME2 to just remove inventory completely. ME3 looks like it's going to have a much better balance with all the armor/weapon modding.

DLC for ME2 was amazing too and introduced some of the best characters and plots/missions.

ME2 lacked in not having a "bad guy" in that ME1 had Saren and ME2 just had.. the Reapers/Collectors and I always appreciate a story with an actual villain that is mortal not some omni-present threat kind of thing.

Dragon Age 1 I hated the combat system and hated that the main character wasn't a spoken character, so I played it for maybe 4-5 hours then gave it back (was borrowing it.)

Dragon Age 2 I actually really enjoy the characters and combat (and VO) but the plot is kind of iffy as it doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere and too much of the map is reused too often. I agree with those criticisms. I didn't finish DA2 either.

Played Neverwinter Nights and all expansions (official) back in they day and it was great, loved KOTOR 1 played through a couple of times, never got into Bulder's Gate.

I just don't see the "slide downhill" everyone else talks about when they talk about Bioware.

DA2 did a lot of things much, much better and some things much, much worse.

ME2 did a lot of things much, much better and some things much, much worse.

The same could be said for any sequel of any movie or game or book or anything, period.

There exist people who don't like The Empire Strikes Back as much as A New Hope or Return of the Jedi.

I think they are crazy, but maybe ESB was the one sequel to ever completely and totally surpass the original?

Im not sure I totally agree with your logic on everything, but your synopsis of the games you played is excellent.    But I cant give you grief for having your opinions either, and they're good ones for what they are. 

So I give you props sir. 

Ye Bioware is supposed to have full control right, that's what the papers are saying.

But still Bioware have more Mythic employee than their own or at least a significant % in their group. And they are still a division of EA, not the way around. Ea is a monster compared to Bioware i'm sorry, you have to be blind to not see that. Now for sure its in the EA interest to give Bioware as much decision power as they can, but it doesn't mean their company won't be digested with time because it will, and the Bioware Mythic joint was a sure step into this. You just can't deny it.

Bioware are still making good games, its nothing even remotely close as what happened with Origin, EA probably learn some lesson too with time. But i just cannot but think about the Christmas Swtor launch and wonder if it is not a EA string, but it sure look like one. In fact Bioware don't give a crap when they release their games anyway since they get founding from EA, its EA job to do that, right?

Life is subtle, it not an on/off button sadly or happily for us.

Originally posted by DerWotan

 What else do you expect them to say? "Yes EA is having a say in what we do, cause well...they own us now" -->both would have to find a new job, cause Riccitello would fire them without hesitating. Notice Mythic sad the exact same thing after EA bought them, right?

Anyway here are some facts showing  the reality: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/988966-/58405733

Here is another example of Jacobs talking about the split with EA: http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/14818/mythic-co-founder-explains-split-with-ea

I'd bet a lot the December release has been forced by EA, why would Bioware employees enjoy working over fulltime come christmas and not spending the time with their loved ones? That does scream sweatshop (EA) instead of taking care of your employees.

If people honestly believe an investors driven sweatshop like EA would let them to do their own thing, you just have to look at some of the facts:

+ Dragon Age Origin pushed back cause EA wanted cross plattform marketing http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/03/dragon-age-origins-delayed-to-second-half-of-2009/

+ Dragon Age 2 rushed, dumbed down http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/988966-/58405733

+ December TOR release

+ ME 3 pushed back cause EA  wants a more dumbed down version for a larger audience http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/05/04/mass-effect-3-delayed-2012-bioware/

 

So Bioware you can say what you want, proven facts are proven. Its a shame this company will utilize your brand till they don't need and you'll join Westwood, Origin, Bullfrog, Bluebyte, Mythic aso...

 

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!

The spectre of them destroying Mass Effect 3 is what my nighmares are made of.