Originally posted by Satarious

Wow.  So the positive reviews are out there and documented.  Where are all these negative reviews to counter the positive ones?  I've seen like 3 tops, but no more than that.   If there were a "rottentomatoes.com" for games, swtor would be at like 95% positive reviews so far.

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

Originally posted by travamars

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

/agree.  They gladly write a positive review for more revenue for their business.  Its a AAA game afterall, big seller!  On day 1 at least :p

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by travamars

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

/agree.  They gladly write a positive review for more revenue for their business.  Its a AAA game afterall, big seller!  On day 1 at least :p

I am not so sure about this. To me it depends on the outlet. A lesser known outlet that has no ties to any big company has been proven time and time again to recieve more hits when posting something negative that provides that sort of shock value to show themselves differently then the majority who like something. I forgot which link was here several months ago that was posted here from some obscure European site that received a ton of attention on the official forums as well just because of its ridiculous rants.

Anyway, Whilan, you readlly did a great job here.

Originally posted by travamars

Originally posted by Satarious

Wow.  So the positive reviews are out there and documented.  Where are all these negative reviews to counter the positive ones?  I've seen like 3 tops, but no more than that.   If there were a "rottentomatoes.com" for games, swtor would be at like 95% positive reviews so far.

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

I can't agree with this, as an example look at the bit tech article linked on this very forum. A quote of note from that "preview" "the most boring thing we've had to endure", yet there's a TOR add plastered right on the same page (well there was last time I looked).

thanks for taking the time, as I don't have the time to browse much lol, anyway, we don't need much about negative reviews, if the game sux, people will come back here after release and beat the dead horse for eternity

Just some earlier info that fits the topic at hand from the Fan/Media Summit's so people can see what fans, and media both had to say about their experiences.

Ask a Jedi

Welcome to the Big Show
Exclusive Screenshot
Studio Tour
Damion Shubert Q&A
Group Q&A
Black Talon Flashpoint Impressions

Darth Hater

General Info
Black Talon Flashpoint Impressions
Bounty Hunter Impressions
Q&A Session
Picture Gallery

Other Bounty Hunter Previews

IGN
MMORPG.com
Gamespot
Torocast/Q&A
GamesRadar
G4 TV
MMORPG. POWERTECH
TOR Wars
mmorpg.com-Bounty Hunter & Powertech Skill List
mmorpg.com-Advanced Prototype Skill List
Curse Bounty Hunter Preview

Imperial Agent Preview

Torocast-Playing the agent
Darth Hater Imperial Agent Impressions
IGN Imperial Agent Impressions
TOR Syndicate Imperial Agent Impressions
Ask a Jedi IA Preview
SWTOR Life
IA Interview w/Daniel Erickson (mmorpg.com)

Republic Trooper Preview:

Tor Wars Trooper Impressions

Other Q&A's

Damion Schubert-TORWARS
Damion Shubert-Corellian Run Radio
TOR Talk Community Q&A
MMORPG Flashpoint Q&A
Steven Reid Interview-TOR Wars
Torocast Interview with Georg Zoeller

Misc:

Torocast Gameplay Impressions
TOR-Talk PvE Impressions
Gamespot Video Interivew
Curse-Gameplay Impressions
Curse-Crew Skills/Crafting
SWTOUR-STORY PART 1
SWTOUR-COMBAT/GAMEPLAY PART 2
Ars Technica Preview

Gamezone Preview
Game Revolution PvE Preview
Now Gamer Preview
Gamebreaker TV Preview
IGN A Noob's Take
Space Combat Presentation-mmorpg.com

PvP Info From Then:

MMORPG.com:
MMORPG.com Hands On PvP Preview
PvP Interview w/Emmanuel Lusinchi

Darth Hater:
PvP Impressions
General PvP Info Learned
Gabe Amatangelo Interview
Gabe Amatangelo A&A

Ask a Jedi:
Player Versus Player In The Old Republic
PvP Q&A w/Game Amatangelo
Hands On The Alderaan Civil War Warzone-Marauder-Gunslinger

Gamespot:
PvP-Jedi Knight
PvP Interview w/Emmanuel Lusinchi

IGN:
IGN PvP Preview

I have had my criticisms of The Old Republic in the past, but BioWare has set up what I perceive to be one of the most well conceived and rewarding PvP systems regardless of how you want to play your character. I'm seriously looking forward to playing the next PvP game-type, the Voidstar -IGN

Rock, Paper Shotgun:
Hands on Star Wars Old Republic PvP

TOR Wars:
Jedi Consular PvP Impressions
PvP Q&A w Lead PvP Designer Gabe Amatangelo
Gabe Amatangelo-Forbidden Questions
Alderaan Warzone Impressions

TOR Syndicate:
Alderaan Warzone Impressions

Mos Eisley Radio:
Warzones and PvP

TOR Talk:
Tom's PvP Experience-Trooper
Tim's PvP Experience-Smuggler

Corellian Run Radio:
Gabe Amatangelo Interview

Torocast:
This is where I stand (That is their title)

Gamebreaker TV:
Episode 39: PvP Hands On

Cliff Notes Summary of Quotes From The Summits: Link

Dyves Compilation of Hands On Impressions: Link

Wow, thanks for the links. I enjoyed reading the Darth Hater review on the bounty hunter. Looking forward to reading some of the other links.

Thanks alot for taking the time to create this thread Whilan.

Good stuff.

30+ links in this thread alone showing positive impressions and still waiting for links from most of the posters claiming negative's in the hate threads. Case closed.

Originally posted by Nadia

I think the op is doing a good thing but

 1. these are previews 

2. even after the game launches reviewers will be posting too early

 

here's Age of Conan reviews, 3 weeks after launch

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184427

1.	9/10	Game Reactor .no	Link	9
2.	A/A	Sci Fi	Link	10
3.	6/6	Nettavisen	Link	10
4.	9,4/10	GameZone	Link	9,4
5.	86/100	Game-Basis DE	Link	8,6
6.	6/6	VG Nett	Link	10
7.	6/6	Adressa	Link	10
8.	5/6	Aftenposten	Link	8,3
9.	6/6	Dagbladet	Link	10
10.	9/10	GamersNet NL	Link	9
11.	92/100	Atomic Gamer	Link	9,2
12.	9/10	Gameplayer.se	Link	9
13.	8,5/10	Dreamstation CC	Link	8,5
14.	5/6	IT Avisen	Link	8,3
15.	94/100	WarCry	Link	9,4
16.	4/5	Game Spy	Link	8
17.	4/5	G4tv X-Play	Link	8
18.	9/10	Gamer 2.0	Link	9
19.	8/10	Hooked Gamers	Link	8
20.	84/100	Ferrago	Link	8,4
21.	8,5/10	GameSpot	Link	8,5

 

I know SWTOR will be great game and much better than AOC

-- but many reviewers rate a mmo too early

 

When it comes to AOC, all the cool fulll voice crap that everyone like stoped at about level 20 and from 1-20 AOC was actually pretty damn fun. 

TOR from what I have played is much much much more polished then any pre launch MMO I have ever played.

Originally posted by Kost

Thanks alot for taking the time to create this thread Whilan.

Good stuff.

30+ links in this thread alone showing positive impressions and still waiting for links from most of the posters claiming negative's in the hate threads. Case closed.

I have a feeling we'll be waiting a long time for that. The haters are still flogging that one negative preview that was written off of a small 10 minute play session while dismissing all positive ones as being bought by EA. It's quite a funny bit of logic. 

Originally posted by Nadia

I think the op is doing a good thing but

 1. these are previews 

2. even after the game launches reviewers will be posting too early

 

here's Age of Conan reviews, 3 weeks after launch

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184427

1.	9/10	Game Reactor .no	Link	9
2.	A/A	Sci Fi	Link	10
3.	6/6	Nettavisen	Link	10
4.	9,4/10	GameZone	Link	9,4
5.	86/100	Game-Basis DE	Link	8,6
6.	6/6	VG Nett	Link	10
7.	6/6	Adressa	Link	10
8.	5/6	Aftenposten	Link	8,3
9.	6/6	Dagbladet	Link	10
10.	9/10	GamersNet NL	Link	9
11.	92/100	Atomic Gamer	Link	9,2
12.	9/10	Gameplayer.se	Link	9
13.	8,5/10	Dreamstation CC	Link	8,5
14.	5/6	IT Avisen	Link	8,3
15.	94/100	WarCry	Link	9,4
16.	4/5	Game Spy	Link	8
17.	4/5	G4tv X-Play	Link	8
18.	9/10	Gamer 2.0	Link	9
19.	8/10	Hooked Gamers	Link	8
20.	84/100	Ferrago	Link	8,4
21.	8,5/10	GameSpot	Link	8,5

 

I know SWTOR will be great game and much better than AOC

-- but many reviewers rate a mmo too early

 

Good post. I agree with you. This game will probably get more good than bad reviews, but I think its going to get a couple of huge dings from those who ignore what the game has promised and instead rate it based on their own misguided illusions of what they wanted it to be. I could see most reviews between 7.5-10. but then a few 2 or 3s from those out to get attention that pull down the average. Same thing happened with Witcher 2. Most loved it, but then you see a few 4s and 5s weighing it down a little. I'll be more interested in how many subs after 3-6 months.

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by Nadia

 

Good post. I agree with you. This game will probably get more good than bad reviews, but I think its going to get a couple of huge dings from those who ignore what the game has promised and instead rate it based on their own misguided illusions of what they wanted it to be. I could see most reviews between 7.5-10. but then a few 2 or 3s from those out to get attention that pull down the average. Same thing happened with Witcher 2. Most loved it, but then you see a few 4s and 5s weighing it down a little. I'll be more interested in how many subs after 3-6 months.

You will have have differences in opinion. We broke out the knives over a couple of features while testing. There are some features of the game that will not appeal to everyone. Everybody always thinks that their opinion is the correct one thou. 

Thanks for the info

Thanks for posting this.

Bump to offset negativity threads.

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by travamars

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

/agree.  They gladly write a positive review for more revenue for their business.  Its a AAA game afterall, big seller!  On day 1 at least :p

I am not so sure about this. To me it depends on the outlet. A lesser known outlet that has no ties to any big company has been proven time and time again to recieve more hits when posting something negative that provides that sort of shock value to show themselves differently then the majority who like something. I forgot which link was here several months ago that was posted here from some obscure European site that received a ton of attention on the official forums as well just because of its ridiculous rants.

Anyway, Whilan, you readlly did a great job here.

Yes but they would lose their long term credibility with large developers, which is incredibly important for a start-up gaming news company.

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by travamars

A gaming website has very little reason to post negative reviews of games, especially if they want to continue to have ad's,  interviews, and new news related content, beta keys and more. Especially when it's a big game company it would take a lot to make a negative review, and then if they did post the obvious flaws in the games they would be sure to add "But it isn't game breaking".

So until you play it for yourself try to read between the lines.

/agree.  They gladly write a positive review for more revenue for their business.  Its a AAA game afterall, big seller!  On day 1 at least :p

I am not so sure about this. To me it depends on the outlet. A lesser known outlet that has no ties to any big company has been proven time and time again to recieve more hits when posting something negative that provides that sort of shock value to show themselves differently then the majority who like something. I forgot which link was here several months ago that was posted here from some obscure European site that received a ton of attention on the official forums as well just because of its ridiculous rants.

Anyway, Whilan, you readlly did a great job here.

Yes but they would lose their long term credibility with large developers, which is incredibly important for a start-up gaming news company.

Shock reviews generate good hits more than anything else. Actual reviews (other than word of mouth) do not mean much. You can take a look at Call of Duty to display that factor. Cod has always got iffy ratings but CoD is by far and away the best selling video game out there. Companies can overcome reviews with advertising. 

Now, on the other hand great reviews can help. Even then, there is a limit. Demon Souls had excellant rating but barely managed to get one million in sales.