Trending Games | Elder Scrolls Online | WildStar | ArcheAge | Heroes of the Storm

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,642,885 Users Online:0
Games:681  Posts:6,076,652
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Everquest Next: Landmark Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

The Secret World

The Secret World 

General Discussion  » WoW has box + sub + cash shop... why cant TSW? Whats the big deal?

2 Pages « 1 2 Search
36 posts found
  Xzen

Novice Member

Joined: 5/01/06
Posts: 2611

A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.
- Seneca

9/30/11 12:20:33 PM#21

I don't think it's acceptable for WoW either?

  Kuinn

Elite Member

Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 1851

9/30/11 12:26:00 PM#22

If your game is good enough you can put all the imaginable payment models in it, people will whine but they still keep paying and voting with their wallets if the product is indeed good enough to pay and pay.

 

Question is, will TSW be good enough for multiple payment models? Wallets will do the talking after the game is out, fighting over it now is pointless because everyone who says "I'm not playing it because of all the payment stuff" WILL play the game if it turns out to be very good, if not then no one will play it regardless of payment models, so, kinda pointless atm.

  User Deleted
9/30/11 12:27:26 PM#23

If I pay monthly sub why should I pay more to get items that should ibe in game? Sub + CS means that devs will create at least part of content for CS only. If they want to implement CS then fine. But make the game f2p then.

Actually it's funny how FC is desingning plans for milking their future customers as much as possible, not being even able to launch beta registration without major problems.

Who cares what WoW has? It's an aging game many don't like nor play anymore.

  User Deleted
9/30/11 7:02:27 PM#24

Just to clarify, I'm not a fan of the idea. The point of my previous post is that it is just standard practice. To single out one game is unfair.

 

Let's take this argument in a different direction.

Consider cars. Cars come with basic features, you pay extra for non-standard features. Some cars come with more standard features than others. All cars come with premium features that can be purchased. You could consider a basic car a stripped down version of the premium.

The problem lies in what is core to the experience and what is a luxury.

 

  User Deleted
10/01/11 2:35:25 AM#25
Originally posted by Terronte

Just to clarify, I'm not a fan of the idea. The point of my previous post is that it is just standard practice. To single out one game is unfair.

 

Let's take this argument in a different direction.

Consider cars. Cars come with basic features, you pay extra for non-standard features. Some cars come with more standard features than others. All cars come with premium features that can be purchased. You could consider a basic car a stripped down version of the premium.

The problem lies in what is core to the experience and what is a luxury.

 

If I buy a car i expect it to have a gear box and steering wheel. No way I'm wlling to pay extra to get these. If I buy a keyboard I expect it to have space bar and every other button, etc etc. Montly sub means that I'm paying for all the content. If they want to introduce CS then the game should be f2p. Sub + SC is greed and nothing justifies it.

 

  theniffrig

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/18/07
Posts: 347

Ooh, they have the internet on computers now.

10/01/11 6:46:06 AM#26

I'm just going to throw this out here and see what people think.

Now, I've always opposed cash shop games since I think it'll lead to p2w. But, recently i've been thinking about p2w games. If money isn't a problem & you just buy say the best pvp gear off a cash shop, then you face another player who has also bought the best gear off the shop, isn't that a type of "balance" brought to the game? If you both have the best gear (since you both bought it) then isn't it going to come down to player skill to see who wins?

Now, ofcourse you'll be overpowered when it comes to the players who didnt/can't buy the cash shop gear. And ofcourse you could argue if all the best gear was attainable in-game for free, then you'd have the same, if not more, balance.  I'm not sure if player segregation (cash-shop players seperate to non-cash shop players) would be good for either group & the game. Ofcourse the cash-shop players would be in the minority & so struggle to find opponents which would eventually lead them to not playing the game or paying for items in the cash shop.

Then there's a case to be made for why you would even play a gear oriented game if you were simply going to buy items with real world money instead of earning them within the game. Made your character. Check. Bought all the gear you need from the store. Check. Played the game not having to actually aquire more gear. Check. I think all that would lead me and perhaps other players to stop playing the game far faster than it would if i had the carrot of gear progression always just out of my reach.

I'm just rambling here, but sub + cash shop to me doesnt seem too bad if your sub is giving you points or whatever every month to use in the shop. There has to be a clear benefit of paying the sub, otherwise you could just f2p and buy the things you want from the shop.  TSW releasing as a sub game with an optional extra cash shop i'm still not sure about. So the sub is just to get 'my foot in the door' as they say and then if i really want that awesome hat for my avatar i have to pay abit more to get it. Sure, that could have the effect of making that awesome hat i really want more exclusive, since not everyone will be able to buy it OR it could have the opposite effect, since the hat is soooo awesome, everyone was willing to pay alittle more to get one, but that has the opposite effect making the hat seem less awesome since everyone has it. That basically shows the cash shop idea for what it really is. It tries to make you feel like a special snowflake compared to the common masses of other players. I think it plays to the elitism side of the playerbase.

Anyway, rambled off in different directions there so i'm going to stop. That is just the mess on my mind at the moment.

  User Deleted
10/01/11 9:16:46 AM#27
Originally posted by Timukas
Originally posted by Terronte

The problem lies in what is core to the experience and what is a luxury.

 

If I buy a car i expect it to have a gear box and steering wheel. No way I'm wlling to pay extra to get these. If I buy a keyboard I expect it to have space bar and every other button, etc etc. Montly sub means that I'm paying for all the content. If they want to introduce CS then the game should be f2p. Sub + SC is greed and nothing justifies it.

 

You are getting the gearbox and steering wheel. You might not be getting the spoiler, the 20" rims, or the sun roof. Paying a sub does not entitle you to the same things Collector's Editions receive, why would it entitle you to the cash shop perks?

  Madimorga

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/26/10
Posts: 1780

10/02/11 7:39:40 PM#28

It isn't a big deal to me, so long as another player can't beat me in pvp because they went to the cash shop and so long as a team won't choose another player over me because they visited the cash shop and got something useful that I don't have and can't buy in game (easily and for a reasonable price).

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  Johnie-Marz

Novice Member

Joined: 11/19/09
Posts: 857

10/02/11 7:52:04 PM#29

Having been part of a game that went under (Tabula Rasa) I wish they would have done what ever they needed to make money, if that mean a cash shop then so be it.

The worst thing about a game isn't a cash shop, it is closing down because it doesn't make enough money to keep going.

  Fourplay

Novice Member

Joined: 8/31/10
Posts: 124

10/03/11 7:47:56 AM#30

Don't listen to the people who say payment model combinations are becoming standard. Nothing becomes standard until you settle for it. If the african americans settled for what is standard they would still be working the plantations. And this applies to everything in life. Boycott games that do this. And when their subs are -100k to 200k, they will wonder what happened and change their tune or shut down. Even if you don't use or care about cash shops/box/p2p and don't think it will affect you.

That which you permit, you promote. 

  Scambug

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/18/08
Posts: 243

10/03/11 7:59:12 AM#31

It's one of the many reasons I quit WoW.

To be fair though, the WoW cash shop only sells (sold?) cosmetic stuff, that I really don't care about.

Funcom cash shops on the other hand are P2W, with XP potions, buff potions, blue gear for all levels etc...

Screw them and their greed.

Funcom is the next SOE people, don't touch their games.

  Ezhae

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/03/06
Posts: 733

10/03/11 8:06:18 AM#32

Because people, and gamers especially, love to complain about everything. When they get in mood, every single mechanic will be criticized, called bad, runing the genre, greedy, or other fancy words they may come with at given moment. There is no game people won't pointlessly complain about, and im sure, if i gven a chance they would discuss imbalance between black and white pieces in Chess. 

 

Personally... I do not give a damn. As long as it doesn't have negative impact on gameplay and meta-game every mmo can have as much of vanity crap in their Cash Shop as they desire. Don't like the stuff - do not buy it. Simple as that. 

  CyanK

Novice Member

Joined: 9/10/11
Posts: 20

10/03/11 8:26:45 AM#33

Lucky me I already posted on this topic:

I really don't have a problem with a vanity item cash shop in my subscription game. Now if I have to pay for content unlocks like quest lines, zones or instances through the cash shop thats a different story and I'll walk away from the game. But as i understand it right now their idea for the shop is purely vanity items and they are welcome to that.

People ranting about it on principal, or it being greedy need to grow up. Its not just entertainmnet, it's a business. At least they have the good sense to plan out a payment model well in advance of launch instead of tacking on a cash shop a few months after launch.
 

If TSW is a terrbile game it won't matter one bit what pricing model they use, the game will fail. If it's a fantastic game and a success, they have every right to use whatever payment model is going to garner them the most revenue from the game. Revenue they can then use to hire more people, better support TSW with customer service and content development, work on  new games and grow their company.

tl;dr: Without knowing what's in the cash shop, people complaining about it are just the kind of people that like to complain without knowing all the facts about any subject, not just games.

  alix123

Novice Member

Joined: 9/05/08
Posts: 26

10/03/11 8:28:17 AM#34
Originally posted by twodayslate
Originally posted by senadin


It isnt because they dont know better it is because they CAN! The average MMO gamer? what does it mean really? I am 40 and started playing MMO with EQ.... MANY years ago and a lot of my friends as well. Oddly enough we pretty much dont mind paying for items that add convenience, such as mounts. I dont know many kids with credit cards that can do the same, pretty logic, unless that is they ask their parents.

The bottm line is a lot of MMO are switching to shop/hybrid model and all you cheapos better get used to it. If you dont like the way this MMO is heading, dont buy it.

If this is good for WoW, it's good for TSW and it will probably be good for TOR in the not too distant future i am willing to bet!

The game-altering cash shop enthusiast who argues for the economic might makes right position, arguably the worst kind of person in gaming (if not society).  I haven't seen this kind of fiscal irresponsibility since the last Starvault fanboy rant.  Did you ever think that your ability to shove money into the hands of undeserving, unethical developers for content that used to be included with your monthly sub doesn't make you better than someone who doesn't?  At least the have-nots in these systems possess some level of money smarts.

The sad part is that these "kids with credit cards," instead of being taught true financial responsibility by those older than them, are being shown that wastefulness is a good thing.  Great message to pass along in a recession, I respect you.

/clap.  Thank you, I could not have said better. 

Somehow Senadin's posts were rubbing me the wrong way despite appearing logical enough and you nailed it.

  mrw0lf

Novice Member

Joined: 4/09/05
Posts: 2311

10/03/11 8:55:18 AM#35

Same thread, same arguments for and against.

If you're the kind of person that feels they should be able to buy their way through a game with rl resources then you're not going to have a problem with the 3 payment scam. You're likely the kind of person that didn't have a problem with pwr lvling services or gold sellers.

If you're the kind of person that feels when they pay for something it should be all of that some thing and not want to get ripped off in order to play that game on a level playing field then you will most likely take issue with the scam.

Simple matter of fact is there is a huge difference between WoW and TSW doing it, WoW is worse becuase they changed the rules half way through, which is dispicable, how any fan of this game can put up with such a betrayal is beyond me. Pure out and out greed which is fed by subservience. TSW is up front from the start so you can make that choice based on your morals and at least they're letting you know from the get go. TOR will likely have the same system but are keeping their cards close as to what their cs will entail.

Clarification: CS's which sell purely administrative items such as character name changes (which I personally hate also, but more of a mechanic issue than anything), server transfers, even extra character slots (again something else I think is a bit of pisstake), basically not in-game altering features are to me acceptable. They are seperate from the game in some ways and don't effect it, they may be money pinching cheap ass things to charge already paying patrons but they don't effect the actual play so meh.

-----
“The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.”

  Papamac

Novice Member

Joined: 11/28/08
Posts: 161

10/03/11 9:38:35 AM#36
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by senadin

Because the new generation of MMO gamers are cheap ass kids who cant afford it is why!

I am one of those older folks who play MMO and i can afford that crap they sell and will. For me if it means my character will look unique i dont care to pay 10-15$ for some gear that will look different. Not that i pay for items that would give me powers mind you, that i can get on my own.

The game is a modern setting and i think it is great that we will have more options to look different than every other toon out there.

To all those cry babies who complain about this, i say good ridance! Go play your mindless games and let the adult gamers play this one in peace!

not exactly sure how you equate adult gamers to cash shops... if anything i would have said the reverse was true. As it is, most cash shops cater to the epeen crowd, one-upmanship etc etc.

I'm with Phry.  I'm fairly certain that I would fall into the "adult gamer" category, and I never use cash shops in MMORPGs.  Most of them only offer cosmetic items, which I couldn't care less about.  Those that actually offer "game-changing" items, I don't play.  Period.

There are some games (League of Legends, for example) where I've not hesitated to buy from the cash shop.  But, in LoL's case, that's its business model.  There's no box purchase; there's no subscription.  The only way the developers can make a buck is if you buy something.  Since I like playing LoL, and I appreciate the time and effort that the developers have put into the game, I have no problem with buying things from their shop.

Conversely, I played WoW for ~4 years, and not once did I buy anything from their cash shop.  The same for CoH/CoV, which I also played for ~4 years.  If I can't get enough enjoyment out of a subscription-based game by just playing it, then I don't subscribe to it.

2 Pages « 1 2 Search