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  psyclum

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OP  9/23/11 9:31:51 AM#1

corsair vengeance m90

vs

razer naga

personally, i'm leaning towards the corsair cuz the button placement makes more sense to me

  lizardbones

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9/23/11 9:42:58 AM#2

I have the Naga, and it definitely works for mmorpg stuff. I'm not sure it's the best solution though. I do not use all 12 button effectively.

I am very intrigued by the Corsair mouse. I'd need to actually play with it down at Best Buy or something like that before buying it. It does look like a more intelligent layout than the Logitech 'MMO' mouse.

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  tcosaddict

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9/23/11 9:45:05 AM#3

I've had the Naga since just about the time it came out and I don't see me replacing it any time soon.  The button placement feels natural to me, especially since they provide you with these small adhesive bumps that you can place on the various keys to map them out how you like.  Also it has 12 buttons specifically designed for MMO use.  I've found that it makes MMO gaming and any other form of gaming that uses a lot of hotkeys to be much more streamlined and intuitive.  I love using it in games like Oblivion, for example.  In the end, I would say to see if you can't find them on demo at some store and try to get a hands-on feel for them before making a decision.  If you can't manage that, I would highly recommend the Naga but to be fair I haven't ever used the Corsair.

  Naowut

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9/23/11 9:45:53 AM#4

Im using the naga and its a great mouse but I think you need someone who has played with both to tell you whats best.

Im biased so I say Naga ;)

  Rhoms

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9/23/11 9:47:40 AM#5

I have the Razor Naga.  It takes some practice, but it is awesome once you get it down.  For me, 7, 8, and 9 are the hardest to use effectively.

Played: UO, AC, Eve, Fallen Earth, Aion, GW. Tried: WOW, Rift, SWOTOR. Current: GW2. Future: ESO?

  drazzah

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9/23/11 9:47:56 AM#6

Go with the naga, Razer makes great products IMO.

  Rhoms

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9/23/11 9:49:57 AM#7
Originally posted by tcosaddict

...The button placement feels natural to me, especially since they provide you with these small adhesive bumps that you can place on the various keys to map them out how you like.  ...

Yeah, the little sticky bumps were really helpful for learning how to "feel" for the buttons.

Played: UO, AC, Eve, Fallen Earth, Aion, GW. Tried: WOW, Rift, SWOTOR. Current: GW2. Future: ESO?

  User Deleted
9/23/11 9:53:47 AM#8

I love my Naga but i wish it felt like my Krait. Or whish my Krait had 12 buttons.

  psyclum

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OP  9/23/11 9:53:58 AM#9
Originally posted by tcosaddict

but to be fair I haven't ever used the Corsair.

hehe to be fair, nobody outside corsair has used the M90 extensively:D  the product was just recently introduced.  I dont think any distributers carry it yet:D   it's like trying to find a zambezi chip right now:D   they kinda ripped off logitech design on the keyboard too, but they are using much better buttons.  (cherry mx reds)

  lizardbones

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9/23/11 9:58:50 AM#10


Originally posted by drazzah
Go with the naga, Razer makes great products IMO.



Cannot argue with this. I have at least a half dozen Razer mice, none of which were replaced because they were defective. I just wanted a newer mouse.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  User Deleted
9/23/11 10:04:52 AM#11

The only problems I have with the Naga is that my paw is a bit too big for the mouse. Also the Forward/Back buttons could have been placed better.

Still, I love my Naga and swear by it nowadays and I would highly recommend it to anyone who's not a clicker. It's made a tedious melee combat game like AoC much more pleasant for me.

  Sovrath

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9/23/11 10:14:09 AM#12
Originally posted by Goristro

I have the Razor Naga.  It takes some practice, but it is awesome once you get it down.  For me, 7, 8, and 9 are the hardest to use effectively.

Hey Goristor,

 

7, 8, and 9 are actually pretty easy to use if you can adopt this way of accessing them:

use the number 5 as a resting point for your thumb. Consider it a base camp for your thumb. If you need a focal point to help you find 5 I suggest taking one of the trainers and actually putting it on 2. Why? 2 is above 5 and when your thumb is on 5 the tip will lightly brush up against the 2 button with its trainer. this will give you a focus point of where your thumb needs to be. Why not put it on 5? I find that the trainers will of course raise your thumb slightly and don't really feel comfortable with repetitive use. Ergonomically the raised key feels a bit weird and any weird senstation is just going to cause unwanted tension.

Of course, your mileage may vary and you might not mind the feeling.

Now, with your thumb over 5 just know that if you move your thumb down one rowit is 8. If you swing your thumb to the left it will naturally hover over 7.

9 is a weirder one as it forces your thumb to curl toward the hand in a slightly odd way. Practice moving the thumb to 6 which is a gentle shift to the right. once you understand that sensaton practice moving your thumb diagnoally toward the right which fits right below 6 and of course goes to 9.

A similiar tack can be taken with the bottom row.

With your thumb on 5 practice jumping a row, over the 8 button to 11.

It's essentially moving your thumb off 5 and jumping a row and having the tip of your thumb come into contact with the 11.

The idea is to get used to the feeling/sensation of moving to the next row in comparison with jumping a row.

Always make sure that you practice ease into any of these movments and don't force anything.

 

edit: a note on the trainer stickers...

I only used 2 of them, one on the 2 and one on the 8. This created a sensation of my thumb resting between two soft points. I eventually got rid of the 8 and only used the 2. As long as I felt the 2 brushing against the tip of my finger I knew exactly where every other key was. So the only key where I had to endure a raised finger was the 2 and my thumb would glide effortlessly over the rest of the keys.

At this point I'm clear on the sensation of 5 and dont' use the trainers anymore.

If people think it's hard I would remind them that violinists, cellists, etc don't use frets and are able to pick out points on a smooth finger board from knowing the sensation of their fingers moving and stretching certain distances.

the same goes with typing as people who learn to type don't look at their hands but understand the sensations of their hand movements and where they need to go for the appropriate keys.

A bit verbose but I hope that helps.

  lizardbones

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9/23/11 10:54:11 AM#13


Originally posted by Sovrath


Originally posted by Goristro
I have the Razor Naga.  It takes some practice, but it is awesome once you get it down.  For me, 7, 8, and 9 are the hardest to use effectively.


Hey Goristor,
 
7, 8, and 9 are actually pretty easy to use if you can adopt this way of accessing them:
use the number 5 as a resting point for your thumb. Consider it a base camp for your thumb. If you need a focal point to help you find 5 I suggest taking one of the trainers and actually putting it on 2. Why? 2 is above 5 and when your thumb is on 5 the tip will lightly brush up against the 2 button with its trainer. this will give you a focus point of where your thumb needs to be. Why not put it on 5? I find that the trainers will of course raise your thumb slightly and don't really feel comfortable with repetitive use. Ergonomically the raised key feels a bit weird and any weird senstation is just going to cause unwanted tension.
Of course, your mileage may vary and you might not mind the feeling.
Now, with your thumb over 5 just know that if you move your thumb down one rowit is 8. If you swing your thumb to the left it will naturally hover over 7.
9 is a weirder one as it forces your thumb to curl toward the hand in a slightly odd way. Practice moving the thumb to 6 which is a gentle shift to the right. once you understand that sensaton practice moving your thumb diagnoally toward the right which fits right below 6 and of course goes to 9.
A similiar tack can be taken with the bottom row.
With your thumb on 5 practice jumping a row, over the 8 button to 11.
It's essentially moving your thumb off 5 and jumping a row and having the tip of your thumb come into contact with the 11.
The idea is to get used to the feeling/sensation of moving to the next row in comparison with jumping a row.
Always make sure that you practice ease into any of these movments and don't force anything.
 
edit: a note on the trainer stickers...
I only used 2 of them, one on the 2 and one on the 8. This created a sensation of my thumb resting between two soft points. I eventually got rid of the 8 and only used the 2. As long as I felt the 2 brushing against the tip of my finger I knew exactly where every other key was. So the only key where I had to endure a raised finger was the 2 and my thumb would glide effortlessly over the rest of the keys.
At this point I'm clear on the sensation of 5 and dont' use the trainers anymore.
If people think it's hard I would remind them that violinists, cellists, etc don't use frets and are able to pick out points on a smooth finger board from knowing the sensation of their fingers moving and stretching certain distances.
the same goes with typing as people who learn to type don't look at their hands but understand the sensations of their hand movements and where they need to go for the appropriate keys.
A bit verbose but I hope that helps.



I have a Naga, and I do like it. I will use it over my other Razer mouse for MMO 'stuff'. If I had a choice though, I'd rather use a mouse that didn't require me to learn how to position my thumb. It is non-intuitive. The Corsair mouse might actually be better in this regard.

Or it might not. I am very much wanting to try it out though...dang it.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  noquarter

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9/23/11 12:06:10 PM#14

Hmm, my friends have had issues with their Razer mice/keyboards in the past. One the mouse would stop working randomly but they released a firmware update to fix that. The other has a keyboard he has to unplug and plug back in sometimes which is still an issue for him.


I'm sure they're mostly great products it just seems strange they have to release so many firmware updates for a mouse. Based on that though I'd personally want to try the Corsair one out, button placement looks pretty nice, much more natural looking layout.

  strangepowers

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9/23/11 12:17:08 PM#15

I have to vote for the naga being an owner. 

 

I did not use the trainer stickers, I just made a mental note of the key locations while counting the spaces with my thumb.

 

Personally I set my hot bar up in "threes" ie. 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12, it helped me with the mental image when learning the mouse.

 

It took me a solid month to really get used to it but now I really can't use anything else, even in FPS.

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