For me, quite simply; no. I don't buy into "hype", and so don't suffer from "fatigue." 

I look forward to a lot of games, but I'm a patient man. I'd always rather they take the time to get it right than release it early. And if I like the IP or game enough, even if launch is not great, unlike most I'm patient enough to support the dev til they get it fixed.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by shinobi234

I Dont think so guild wars two star wars tor have the same ideas story content. The only differents is guild wars 2 is buy to play and star wars tor is pay to play plus i dont think any loseing will be going on sounds like ot me your fanboy. I think these two games will do fine they both good. Star wars has its fans and so does guild wars two both games will do fine.

Just stop. The fanboy / hater spitting has been plaid out for months. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you should blatantly go insulting them. Not to mention that it looks like, here, you are completely misunderstanding his point. I'd normally agree that the two games are not competing with one another (at least not directly). However, if EA waits to release TOR at around the same time as GW2, then they will be.

Only one has a sub, so players can enjoy both, but if they launch at around the same time, it's going to force players to devote more time to one game or the other. Maybe EA wants this, but it puts a huge risk on the longevity on a subscription based game. The smarter thing (if the game is indeed ready) is to release the game sooner, and get players invested in a subscription and updated content. Otherwise it becomes a battle over who has the better new car smell.

- To answer the OP, I would say that yes, fatigue is setting in. Personally, I've been going through cycles of getting excited or dissapointed by this title. It doesn't offer a ton of new things from the traditional MMO, but then again I did enjoy Rift for a time. However, I'd have to agree that if this game drags on passed the end of 2011; there is about a 99% chance I'm going to cancel my preorder, and play BF3, Skyrim, Torchlight 2,or a number of the other amazing AAA titles coming out which don't require a subscription. I've been burnt by quite a few MMOs (and I know I'm not alone on this), and i'm getting tired of throwing money away needlessly.

i think what he was trying  to say about the fanboy stuff..... Is that every one has there own games ,you seem to take it out of context.  Maybe you should reread what he wrote and you dont understand. I think he was not disagree with him. The fact is it was about him saying tor going against GW and it be losing battle...... That sounds like he showing favorites there... As for both games are the only games coming out and intrest me atm.

Originally posted by monarc333

Originally posted by ukforze

Originally posted by monarc333

I read that EA has even considered a March '12 release if they need it. I promise you, if it releases past January I wont be playing this game. Feb of '12 is going to be packed with a lot of AAA games. Then GW2 will be coming out, and Ill be all over that with my guild. I sure hope BW doesnt make a huge mistake and assume people will buy it just because its a SW game.

We need a release date soon. SWTOR is starting to wither in peoples minds.

I guarantee it will be next year, quote me on it if ya want, but you'd rather it released in a

playable working state wouldnt you?

 I think the fact of the matter is these types of games never release perfect. The risk versus benefit ratio has to be right for them to release it. In my view with 2 more months they will have achieved close release state perfect as they will get. Theres a reason why we have patches today. Non mmos are releasing games unfinished in some sense then fixing the bugs thru patches. So yea a playable working state sounds good to me. I dont think they want to compete with GW2 head on. I think tey will lose that battle.

Can you rub my crystal ball and tell me that again please because you seem to know what happends in the furture :)....As for they losing battles against each other i dont think so.... they both offer different styles of game play and story. Then again guild wars 2 is good also but i can tell you another game thats way better then guild wars 2, but this is not about that its about tor and guild wars 2 :P. You see guild wars 2 copyed star wars  in story content and Voice. I played guild wars i never liked it but its ok. But the medevil fantasy dragons stuff is  getting old serious. As for guild wars 2 having you make your own story at the intro of the game while bioware story is making choices upon entering the game.  There alot to say about these two games but when they both release i dont think i seee ether of them going down. It will be tough fight because guild wars has its players so does tor.

Originally posted by Zhanjin234

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by shinobi234

I Dont think so guild wars two star wars tor have the same ideas story content. The only differents is guild wars 2 is buy to play and star wars tor is pay to play plus i dont think any loseing will be going on sounds like ot me your fanboy. I think these two games will do fine they both good. Star wars has its fans and so does guild wars two both games will do fine.

i think what he was trying  to say about the fanboy stuff..... Is that every one has there own games ,you seem to take it out of context.  Maybe you should reread what he wrote and you dont understand. I think he was not disagree with him. The fact is it was about him saying tor going against GW and it be losing battle...... That sounds like he showing favorites there... As for both games are the only games coming out and intrest me atm.

Well, I clearly lack the mind reading skills you seem to possess. I can only comment based on what he posted, not what you thought he meant to post.

Also, if you read what I said, I stated that his comment on 'each has it's own fans' will be true as long as the games don't launch at around the same time. There is overlap in people following both these games. It's not as black and white as 'star wars fans on one side of the room, gw2 on the other'. Many players are looking forward to both (and for primarily different reasons). When you put both of these games out at the same time, then the payment model is much less flexible, as it forces players to devote their time primarily to one game or another. MMOs, more than most single player games, push players to invest most of their time into playing the game. Even though one is sub, and one is not, the time investment alone will be enough to segregate players. Don't forget, that many players still play(or played) WoW, not because they still enjoyed the game, but because they spent so much time / hand friends that played that it was hard to quit cold turkey.

my fatigue settled in when they announced it would be a wow-clone. 

Originally posted by Zhanjin234

Can you rub my crystal ball and tell me that again please because you seem to know what happends in the furture :)....As for they losing battles against each other i dont think so.... they both offer different styles of game play and story. Then again guild wars 2 is good also but i can tell you another game thats way better then guild wars 2, but this is not about that its about tor and guild wars 2 :P. You see guild wars 2 copyed star wars  in story content and Voice. I played guild wars i never liked it but its ok. But the medevil fantasy dragons stuff is  getting old serious. As for guild wars 2 having you make your own story at the intro of the game while bioware story is making choices upon entering the game.  There alot to say about these two games but when they both release i dont think i seee ether of them going down. It will be tough fight because guild wars has its players so does tor.

Guild Wars 2 copied SWTOR by using voiceovers and a branching story?  Are you trolling, or just misinformed?  Seriously.

As for people who like to say "the fantasy stuff is getting old", tell that to people who are eagerly awaiting "The Hobbit" or the millions of people who still play D&D.  It's not getting old, it's getting old to you.

Originally posted by Jack_Target

Originally posted by shinobi234

Originally posted by Jack_Target

I hate to be the troll, but looking at the gameplay, we have all played it before - it's WoW with Star Wars skins.

 

yep and i like the wow skins. All i care about is game play and content. i could care less about grachics.

 

No. I'm saying that the graphics are different (but still cartoonish) but the game play is like WoW.

Explain what you mean by gameplay.  Do you mean questing, tab-targetting, hotkey mashing, endgame raiding, etc?  If you do...welcome to 95% of the MMOs currently on the market.  I mean, if those are your criteria, nearly every game is a WoW re-skin.  

If you mean something else, I'd be willing to bet you aren't correct.  The overall concept is themepark, so in that respect it's like WoW.  The game itself, however, is not a re-skin of WoW at all.  That's an oversimplification for people looking for a reason to not buy the game when the reality is that they've probably just grown weary of the themepark genre of MMOs to begin with.  People that have spent any significant time playing WoW, and at the very least researching this game, can tell you that it's not a simple WoW knock-off in anything but game style.  

Originally posted by Elidien

So let's look at Bioware's options:

Set a release date - Fail to meet release date - move date back = community upset

Set a release date - Launch - game not up to standards (it will never meet this community's expectations) = community upset

Don't set a release date - game launches well = community upset (because it took too long)

Don't set a release date - game launches poorly = community upset (because it wasn't finished)

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Point is, Bioware cannot win. So Bioware does what they need too - launch when its ready. People will still play it and nothing will change that. People, I do not think, are not running out canceling their pre-orders.

At this point, the game better launch well or their will be a lot of anger and rightfully so. Most people will tolerate the time it takes to release the game if it releases well. if not, it could get ugly for sure.

 

/agree

I think that it is notable that people are so upset about delayed release date that it wouldn't surprise me if this fueled bias against the game throughout its life. People can be amazingly vindictive when they feel they have been injured.

i could care less if it comes out tomorrow,... my last day waiting was yesterday. at this point they should just cancel it.

Originally posted by Amana

Just a quick reminder that the NDA is still in effect. The only thing you can reveal is that you are in beta. 

Any opinions on beta content, or even just telling people anything leading to such in a wink wink fashion is not permitted here. 

 

Hi - not trying to start anything or disagree, but what is MMORPG.com's interest in the beta? These players agreed to a (shakey internet) contract between themselves and EA. AFAIK, they didn't get these slots through MMORPG.com nor was MMORPG.com in the contract.

What is the benefit to MMORPG.com policing EA's NDA?

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by Jack_Target

Originally posted by shinobi234

Originally posted by Jack_Target

I hate to be the troll, but looking at the gameplay, we have all played it before - it's WoW with Star Wars skins.

 

yep and i like the wow skins. All i care about is game play and content. i could care less about grachics.

 

No. I'm saying that the graphics are different (but still cartoonish) but the game play is like WoW.

 

Explain what you mean by gameplay.  Do you mean questing, tab-targetting, hotkey mashing, endgame raiding, etc?  If you do...welcome to 95% of the MMOs currently on the market.  I mean, if those are your criteria, nearly every game is a WoW re-skin.  

If you mean something else, I'd be willing to bet you aren't correct.  The overall concept is themepark, so in that respect it's like WoW.  The game itself, however, is not a re-skin of WoW at all.  That's an oversimplification for people looking for a reason to not buy the game when the reality is that they've probably just grown weary of the themepark genre of MMOs to begin with.  People that have spent any significant time playing WoW, and at the very least researching this game, can tell you that it's not a simple WoW knock-off in anything but game style.  

Bioware's co-founder outright stated WoW was the model for TOR when he stated World of Warcraft "...is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."

ehh almost every mmo I've ever played I've thought "what if they'd waited another year.. or two even." Thing is the game will never be in development twice.  Trust me as much as you might feel you wish the game was out now no matter the state of the game if it isn't ready you'd be bemoaning the fact a year or two down the line wishing they'd have held on longer.   There are other games to play and things to do.  Life does not revolve around these things no one is injured by having to wait longer.

Originally posted by kraash

i could care less if it comes out tomorrow,... my last day waiting was yesterday. at this point they should just cancel it.

 

Couldn't.

Originally posted by elocke

You know, it's funny in a way.  We have SWTOR which is all hush hush, NDA and all that, very closed doors and people are frothing at the mouth over it.

In this other corner, I look at a game like ArcheAge which blows the door off any NDA, shows us every tittle about their game and everyone is like "sweet, can't wait to play it, take your time, make it awesome! whoohoo".

See the problem here?

Yeah, TOR is in tough competition with the big guys, like Blizzard with WoW, they have to keep absolutely everything as hush hush as possible so that Blizzard doesn't announce Feature X for the next WoW expansion which turns out to be taken directly from TOR. Blizzard is even trying to torpedo TOR's release date what with speculation that they are sitting on Diablo III and a major content patch for WoW so they can release those when TOR comes out.

ArcheAge on the other hand is aiming for a small, niche market where the big players aren't even close to as gigantic as the TOR/WoW market segment. They don't have to worry about the big guys ripping off features, and no one even cares about the release date.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Totally, but I keep clicking on the articles.

I guess my view on the subject is that beside the SW IP, I haven't really seen anything new.  I hadn't even played an MMO recently and tried Rift.  I made it half way through the first tier of raiding and quit.  That lasted 2 months.  It wasn't a bad game and was worth the box price, but it was basically WoW with some good QoL improvements.

TOR looks like every other MMO I've ever seen.  I can relate all the skills back to another game.  There's your weak slash, your channeled DD, some DoT, hamstring, etc.  I could basically reorganize all my Rift spreadsheets and maybe have to add 5% to update them for TOR. 

Short story, I'm waiting for that "WoW, I need to get this game moment" and it hasn't arrived yet.

yeah it feels like the wait is now to long.

im usually excited  when big news about a game comes out like videos or something...but my hype metter is certanly decreassing....i find myself  often more anxious about  guild wars but  star wars lore is something   gw2  will never had so  swtor still is still my first  choice

Originally posted by Nhoj1983

ehh almost every mmo I've ever played I've thought "what if they'd waited another year.. or two even." Thing is the game will never be in development twice.  Trust me as much as you might feel you wish the game was out now no matter the state of the game if it isn't ready you'd be bemoaning the fact a year or two down the line wishing they'd have held on longer.   There are other games to play and things to do.  Life does not revolve around these things no one is injured by having to wait longer.

This is a good point, and truthfully I have thought this before about games I have played in the past.

Life may not revolve around these things, but people perceive injury in different ways. Witness people who hate Smedley because of CU/NGE in SWG. It's long past over, doesn't matter anymore, but theyre still pissed years later. Mood/Emotion is a huge factor in purchasing decisions.

Originally posted by SlothnChunk

Bioware's co-founder outright stated WoW was the model for TOR when he stated World of Warcraft "...is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."

/facepalm  There's your next-gen MMO there...

I stay away from game information before the game is launched. There are very few games that I know that I will try when they come out. SWTOR is one of them. The only information I care about is release dates or pre-order dates..

I've learned from past experience that when I get hyped for a game I do 2 things... can't stand the anticipation and I'm let down because I bought into the hype and pictured the game to be something it's not.

I'm still excited. Can't wait to try it.