I wouldn't put my paypal details in at the start, there is bound to be problems for sure and paypal arnt exactly reliable or even fair when you try to get money back. This is just so that kids with no cc can fire money into blizzards pocket, if they didnt do this it would close off this full market to them. 

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by precious328

The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.

How pathetic.  Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money.  Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week.  Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.

 

Whatever you say, Karl Marx.

What's pathetic here is the fact that some people (you) accept these cash shops / cash auctions.

Example: I'm playing Diablo 3. I have the best Executioner's Sword. I find another. People offer me a ton of items for trade. I'm not interested. I only want $50.00.

Not only does this system  favor the weekend warrior, but it hinders the in-game economy.

Originally posted by Lynxeyed

as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.

 

That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems.

It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by precious328

I can pretty much write this game off now.

 

PayPal is the devil. I do a ton of eBaying and know a lot about it. PayPal is a worthless outsourcing pile of ####.

Have fun dealing with asians named "Bob" and "John", yet can barely pronounce it.

 

Not this time, Kotick

It's an option so if you don't want to use it, then don't.

I'm just wondering if you list an item for a fee, and it doesn't sell if you're just out the money then.  Seems like an easy way for blizzard to make massive cash off Diablo 3 players without much benifit to the game.  That's what I'm concerned about, more than them adding options for its playerbase, lol.

 

How is it an option when the best items aren't for trade... they are for sale.

If I find a wicked item, I'm not going to trade it. I'm going to sell it.

Originally posted by precious328

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by precious328

I can pretty much write this game off now.

 

PayPal is the devil. I do a ton of eBaying and know a lot about it. PayPal is a worthless outsourcing pile of ####.

Have fun dealing with asians named "Bob" and "John", yet can barely pronounce it.

 

Not this time, Kotick

It's an option so if you don't want to use it, then don't.

I'm just wondering if you list an item for a fee, and it doesn't sell if you're just out the money then.  Seems like an easy way for blizzard to make massive cash off Diablo 3 players without much benifit to the game.  That's what I'm concerned about, more than them adding options for its playerbase, lol.

 

How is it an option when the best items aren't for trade... they are for sale.

If I find a wicked item, I'm not going to trade it. I'm going to sell it.

That is your perogative, does not mean others will do the same.  Get in a guild where everyone shares and you don't have to worry about that.  Why anyone would buy an etheral item is beyond me.  All the fun is in finding them.

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Originally posted by Lynxeyed
as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.

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That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by precious328

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Originally posted by Lynxeyed

as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.

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That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.

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It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.

 

 

That makes absolutely no sense.

Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.

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Originally posted by precious328

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by precious328

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Originally posted by Lynxeyed
as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.

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That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.

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It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.

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That makes absolutely no sense.Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.

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LOL this is so cute how each tells the other to go play some other game. It is not like either one of you can control the choices of the other. So I guess the games fall and stand as the popularity indicates. I enjoy seeing how each seems to think their way is the right way to play a game when it is a game afterall the objective is to simply play and enjoy yourself. Neither one of you has the right to bar the other from their interest nor even effectively change the way the market moves. If sufficient numbers do not purchase a game then its gameplay may give way to other types .

Originally posted by Torqia

I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.

its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....

Nothing. 

So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model. 

Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on. 

Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.

My 2 cents.

(edit. Spel lik krap)

Have you every actually played "end-game" d2?  Have you ever actually found all the items you want/need?  It's next to impossible unless you are lucky beyond belief.  A Diablo game is not wow.  You don't finish a raid and complete your set.  You hunt for items, and will likely never find many that you want.  When you buy an item in a Diablo game, you aren't even close to finished, and the best part about the rmah is that even if you were to spend enough money (and it would be tons of cash) to "complete" your character, you'd still have a reason to play.  To find more items and sell them.

Originally posted by precious328

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by precious328

The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.

How pathetic.  Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money.  Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week.  Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.

 

Whatever you say, Karl Marx.

What's pathetic here is the fact that some people (you) accept these cash shops / cash auctions.

Example: I'm playing Diablo 3. I have the best Executioner's Sword. I find another. People offer me a ton of items for trade. I'm not interested. I only want $50.00.

 

Not only does this system  favor the weekend warrior, but it hinders the in-game economy.

You're not thinking this through.  If you want to sell an item, you want the biggest audience.  Where will the biggest audience be?  Think about it.........the GOLD auction house, NOT the rmah.  So you will likely make more money by selling your sword on the gold auction house and then selling the currency on the rmah.

There goes your whole little hindering the in-game economy theory....

Originally posted by skoupidi

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by precious328

The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.

How pathetic.  Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money.  Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week.  Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.

Get your facts straight.Ofcourse the guy that plays more will have more items and more game experience than you. So, you are saying that a student that studies 15 hours a week should have the benefit to buy his degree, because the other student that studies 70 hours a week got it too.

It doesn't even matter in the end.If you can only play 15 hours a week then you wont be able to compete with the hardcore gamers anyway.No matter how much you money spend on RMT.Its just a way for the companies to make more money of you. You are free to spend it,noone forces you not to.

I hate to break it to you, but progressing in Diablo is not the same as getting a college degree.  Next time pick a better analogy, one actually applicable to the context.

I guess you could say that just like college you may have to take out a loan to get everything you want out of a cash auction house-based game.

I finally figured out a way to fix this dispute. Game companys need to institude a new ban policy, if you can't meet the hour requirements for each month you are banned. So in order to keep your account active you have to play a minimum of 160 hours a month. While they're at it they'll have to remove the warnings of playing to long and to not go outside or spend time with your family or friends.

Next problem.. legalizing hacking so the bots can play 160 hours a month instead of the player.

Originally posted by Illyssia

I guess you could say that just like college you may have to take out a loan to get everything you want out of a cash auction house-based game.

Really, just give up the college example.  :)  If you bought your degree, you'll be found out and fired.  If you buy Diablo gear no one will ever care.  Comparing apples and donkeys here.

Originally posted by Aori

I finally figured out a way to fix this dispute. Game companys need to institude a new ban policy, if you can't meet the hour requirements for each month you are banned. So in order to keep your account active you have to play a minimum of 160 hours a month. While they're at it they'll have to remove the warnings of playing to long and to not go outside or spend time with your family or friends.

Next problem.. legalizing hacking so the bots can play 160 hours a month instead of the player.

Or people could simply accept the fact that there are varying ways to "get ahead" in the game.

edit.. i cant quote it seems. so post was pointless.

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by Torqia

I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.

its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....

Nothing. 

So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model. 

Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on. 

Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.

My 2 cents.

(edit. Spel lik krap)

Have you every actually played "end-game" d2?  Have you ever actually found all the items you want/need?  It's next to impossible unless you are lucky beyond belief.  A Diablo game is not wow.  You don't finish a raid and complete your set.  You hunt for items, and will likely never find many that you want.  When you buy an item in a Diablo game, you aren't even close to finished, and the best part about the rmah is that even if you were to spend enough money (and it would be tons of cash) to "complete" your character, you'd still have a reason to play.  To find more items and sell them.

Ehhm have i played end game d2?? ya m8 i have, quite a bit.. and i tell you that getting near perfect gear doesnt take so long anymore cus every freaking kid out there buy there items from sites.. its so obvious. i play ladder and every little shit has 5+ hr's just lying around. people give ist's for crap items.. I tell you its not what it was 3-4 years ago..

My point is just: i welcome that stinking money ah because it will make the game playable but I wont use it. Its as simple as that. Like said earlier. the fun part is trading and finding.. not buying with real money.