World PVP is the only thing that will keep me around past level cap playing this game. I've farmed BG's/Warfronts etc enough in other games to not want to bother doing it again in this one. I've never been a raider, and I never will be.

So World PVP it is, and from what little they've shown, it looks promising, I hope just they make something that's unique, Star Warsy, and fun to play.

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by Foomerang

I really like this news as well. I just hope it lasts. Bioware has already said they are interested in implementing arenas as post launch content. Not a fan of esport pvp in mmos. I honestly hope it never makes it in.

I'm with you. They should really focus on developing more of the open world, objective based pvp content and territorial control instead, as it's much more mmorpg-like in incorporating player freedom, the open world and opportunity for tactics and organization.

Don't want another friggin' e-sport in a can which draws a big chunk of a pvp community into repetitive instances. V_V

{Yes Please}

I love persistant PvP, that changes area control, maybe give access to special areas, resources or just a boost in stats or experience. This is what makes PvP fun!

Please Bioware don;t screw this up.

    I would actually like to see a "Non-Standard PvP Arena" set up inside one of the PvP zones.  In my view this would be a small area that is PvP free surrounding an area that only a certain number of people can enter for a match.  The PvP free area would be a viewing stands type of area.  Basically a Colesium where we get to watch gladitorial matches.

    I do agree though that individual balancing should be frowned upon in favor of team balancing.  I simply fail to see how you could effectively balance a Healing spec'd Consular with a DPS spec'd Guardian and it shouldn't even be tried as far as I am concerned.

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Originally posted by Siveria
Looks like they screwed up already, If raid gear is not the best gear for use in pvp what use is raid gear? it'll have none. It'll be just like WoW and its clones with pointless raiding for gear that has no purpose. I was hoping and praying they wouldn't seregate pve/pvp gear and have it be the same gear you get from raids.. Sigh no mmo does raids right anymore. Just another reason for me to not bother with SWToR, besides the fact its just WoW in space anyway, with the same boring crap as wow, same boring combat, same crappy themepark quest progression. Meh I'll give it a try when it comes out and has a trial but I won't expect much from it at all.

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Just curiously, dont you think your logic is a little strange?

Fan: "Hi, I love PvP, and I'm looking forward to the PvP in a game!"

Game Company: "Glad to hear it, but if you want to have the best gear we arent going to allow you to PvP, you are going to have just PvE in order to do what you enjoy."

Fan: "Oh......."

No offense, it doesnt make sense to reward one path and not another, or to force people down one path to enjoy another. Reverse your suggestion, if you want the best raid gear to progress thru more and more challenging raids, then you should be forced to PvP to get the best gear in a game.

We'll see ya at launch!

Cheers

sigh .. why does PVP and PVE gear have to be seperate, I just remember back in DAOC there was no such thing as "PVP" gear it was just GEAR and you could take it in PVE or PVP and be fine.

I am tired of games penalizing those of us who enjoy BOTH PVe and PVP by making us basically grind twice for two sets of gear.

Originally posted by Ecoces

sigh .. why does PVP and PVE gear have to be seperate, I just remember back in DAOC there was no such thing as "PVP" gear it was just GEAR and you could take it in PVE or PVP and be fine.

 

 

I am tired of games penalizing those of us who enjoy BOTH PVe and PVP by making us basically grind twice for two sets of gear.

Heh, thats not a penalty, thats an intentional mechanic to keep us subbing longer.

Originally posted by Abdar

World PVP is the only thing that will keep me around past level cap playing this game. I've farmed BG's/Warfronts etc enough in other games to not want to bother doing it again in this one. I've never been a raider, and I never will be.

So World PVP it is, and from what little they've shown, it looks promising, I hope just they make something that's unique, Star Warsy, and fun to play.

Agreed, but most of us harder core pvpers want to aslo grind of if its a quest, shorten it up.  I don't care about the read and pick a story.  People saying that this is the greatest invention and it recreates gaming in the future are nutso.  Sure, some will like others will puke...

Originally posted by Baikal

 

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Originally posted by Siveria
Looks like they screwed up already, If raid gear is not the best gear for use in pvp what use is raid gear? it'll have none. It'll be just like WoW and its clones with pointless raiding for gear that has no purpose. I was hoping and praying they wouldn't seregate pve/pvp gear and have it be the same gear you get from raids.. Sigh no mmo does raids right anymore. Just another reason for me to not bother with SWToR, besides the fact its just WoW in space anyway, with the same boring crap as wow, same boring combat, same crappy themepark quest progression. Meh I'll give it a try when it comes out and has a trial but I won't expect much from it at all.

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Just curiously, dont you think your logic is a little strange?

Fan: "Hi, I love PvP, and I'm looking forward to the PvP in a game!"

Game Company: "Glad to hear it, but if you want to have the best gear we arent going to allow you to PvP, you are going to have just PvE in order to do what you enjoy."

Fan: "Oh......."

No offense, it doesnt make sense to reward one path and not another, or to force people down one path to enjoy another. Reverse your suggestion, if you want the best raid gear to progress thru more and more challenging raids, then you should be forced to PvP to get the best gear in a game.

We'll see ya at launch!

Cheers

Well thats your opinion; This is not a pure PvP game in reality it is faction vs Faction and the majority of the servers will be PvE focus with faction elements. For a majority PvP is not the focus it will be faction.

The best gear should be available to all players regardless of play type ; And from what I have been told that will probably be the case. As long as you have to play the game to get it , how you get it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Foomerang

I really like this news as well. I just hope it lasts. Bioware has already said they are interested in implementing arenas as post launch content. Not a fan of esport pvp in mmos. I honestly hope it never makes it in.

Arena's will only suck if they become the One True Way to good gear. And seeing as how Bioware allows us to swap out PvP currency, I doubt that's going to be the case.

And truthfully, if we're going to have Huttball, then gladiatorial combat fits in perfectly as well.

The whole point of raiding should be to acquire better gear in order to perform better in PvP fights for your faction. PvP gear makes PvP only a mini-game within the MMORPG. Also, PvP should have some impact to the world, otherwise you could remove PvP from the game altogether.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Maybe I'm kinda late with this but I haven't seen it discussed thoroughly yet.

Here's an article with a video of the PAX world pvp presentation: linkage

Some nice, short clips of the objective based world pvp on Illum with territorial control aspects. Sadly the sound quality isn't so great because he's mentioning some interesting stuff towards the end:

Next to objective based world pvp, apparently there are "11 hot spots" on 11 planets on pvp servers.

But what's more:

 

At least on pvp servers, to get the best pvp gear you need commendations from both warzone and mercenary (open world) accomplishments and you can EXCHANGE them with other players. This means that if you aren't much of a "pvp in a can" fan like me, you can still get your gear by just doing world pvp (or the other way around if you hate world pvp).

I really, really appreciate that :)

One of my biggest gripes with, for instance, WOW's world pvp was that endgame pvp rewards were tied in with battlegrounds / arena's and world pvp, especially in vanilla, was without any extra carrots apart from the fun itself.

Your thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thoughts are you clearly didnt play vanilla wow.If you did world pvp in vanilla wow  you would get honorable kills which would provide honor points which you could spend  for gear ,just like today.

I'm sorry, I did not follow. I did not see the clip as you said it has bad voice quality. I just read your comments. So please explain one more time.

I can ONLY do Arenas and buy the tokens from world PVP and get the best gears?

I ONLY NEED to do arenas to get the best gear, meaning I don't have to buy or do World PVP?

You see what i'm saying? Explain please.

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by DarkPony

Maybe I'm kinda late with this but I haven't seen it discussed thoroughly yet.

Here's an article with a video of the PAX world pvp presentation: linkage

Some nice, short clips of the objective based world pvp on Illum with territorial control aspects. Sadly the sound quality isn't so great because he's mentioning some interesting stuff towards the end:

Next to objective based world pvp, apparently there are "11 hot spots" on 11 planets on pvp servers.

But what's more:

 

At least on pvp servers, to get the best pvp gear you need commendations from both warzone and mercenary (open world) accomplishments and you can EXCHANGE them with other players. This means that if you aren't much of a "pvp in a can" fan like me, you can still get your gear by just doing world pvp (or the other way around if you hate world pvp).

I really, really appreciate that :)

One of my biggest gripes with, for instance, WOW's world pvp was that endgame pvp rewards were tied in with battlegrounds / arena's and world pvp, especially in vanilla, was without any extra carrots apart from the fun itself.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts are you clearly didnt play vanilla wow.If you did world pvp in vanilla wow  you would get honorable kills which would provide honor points which you could spend  for gear ,just like today.

Nice try. I recall my buddies going for warlord gear and grinding their ass off in battlegrounds 24/7 with account sharing, just to be able to get top rank and be viable to buy the damn stuff. Some almost quit the game in the process, getting in physical and mental problems due to the insane grind.

Getting that amount of kills outside of BG's in the same timeframe that others were raking up kills and wins in bg's simply wasn't possible. Next to that there were all kinds of specific and useful rewards tied in to battlegrounds themselves with no other means of obtaining them.

Please come again?

Dude leave WoW out for JUST a freakin minute. This is TOR forums. This sounds something good, but I do not understand so I do not know. Someone please explain how to obtain the best gear.

Originally posted by nomss

I'm sorry, I did not follow. I did not see the clip as you said it has bad voice quality. I just read your comments. So please explain one more time.

I can ONLY do Arenas and buy the tokens from world PVP and get the best gears?

I ONLY NEED to do arenas to get the best gear, meaning I don't have to buy or do World PVP?

You see what i'm saying? Explain please.

Arena's aren't in yet as far as I know.

You can exchange warzone commendations for world pvp commendations -> If people prefer warzones they can happily do just them, if people prefer world pvp, they can happily do just that. Both have a means to circumvent doing the kind of pvp they dislike and still get the best gear by exchanging commendations.

Also there will be other boons to doing well in world pvp and warzones: titles and renown and stuff like that, as far as I've heard. No idea how other advantages are distributed between them.

Even in the grim scenario that doing instanced pvp would be twice as effective as world pvp, I'd still do world pvp mainly and be happy about it. As long as the game doesn't lock me out of those rewards.

But if more people prefer warzones, you can bet your ass that world pvp commendations will be much more valuable. (If there won't be a fixed exchange rate, that is).

Originally posted by nomss

I'm sorry, I did not follow. I did not see the clip as you said it has bad voice quality. I just read your comments. So please explain one more time.

I can ONLY do Arenas and buy the tokens from world PVP and get the best gears?

I ONLY NEED to do arenas to get the best gear, meaning I don't have to buy or do World PVP?

You see what i'm saying? Explain please.

It means that there are two sets of currency you get

One set is from instant BG types

The other is from open world PvP type things

Each curriency gives you access to that type of equipment

Meaning theres instant BG type equipment and open world PvP type of equipment, you can't use BG currency to buy open world PvP equipment, or vice versa

The change here is...that if you rack up enough open world PvP currency you can then turn them into BG type currency, which means if you do enough open world PvP you can still aquire the BG equipment if you want without ever having to touch the BG themselves.

Granted one has to remember that the exchange rate between these two does not equal 1 to 1

So you may have to for example turn in 30 Open world PvP currency to get say 5 BG currency and the same works the other way around 30 BG currency could be turned in for 5 open world PvP currency. Which means if you want the other set of gear, and you don't want to do the type (BG or open) it will just take longer instead of being forced to do it.

It's your basic exchange rate that allows you to stick to the type of PvP you enjoy without being forced to do the other, just remember that the exchange rate is likely to be poor that it will take more of whatever currency it is to get a set from the other PvP type your not currently doing

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by DarkPony

Maybe I'm kinda late with this but I haven't seen it discussed thoroughly yet.

Here's an article with a video of the PAX world pvp presentation: linkage

Some nice, short clips of the objective based world pvp on Illum with territorial control aspects. Sadly the sound quality isn't so great because he's mentioning some interesting stuff towards the end:

Next to objective based world pvp, apparently there are "11 hot spots" on 11 planets on pvp servers.

But what's more:

 

At least on pvp servers, to get the best pvp gear you need commendations from both warzone and mercenary (open world) accomplishments and you can EXCHANGE them with other players. This means that if you aren't much of a "pvp in a can" fan like me, you can still get your gear by just doing world pvp (or the other way around if you hate world pvp).

I really, really appreciate that :)

One of my biggest gripes with, for instance, WOW's world pvp was that endgame pvp rewards were tied in with battlegrounds / arena's and world pvp, especially in vanilla, was without any extra carrots apart from the fun itself.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts are you clearly didnt play vanilla wow.If you did world pvp in vanilla wow  you would get honorable kills which would provide honor points which you could spend  for gear ,just like today.

Nice try. I recall my buddies going for warlord gear and grinding their ass off in battlegrounds 24/7 with account sharing, just to be able to get top rank and be viable to buy the damn stuff. Some almost quit the game in the process, getting in physical and mental problems due to the insane grind.

Getting that amount of kills outside of BG's in the same timeframe that others were raking up kills and wins in bg's simply wasn't possible. Next to that there were all kinds of specific and useful rewards tied in to battlegrounds themselves with no other means of obtaining them.

Please come again?

It was possible,harder but possible.bye.