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9/16/11 3:46:12 PM#21
Originally posted by Xzen Why? 360 has always, AFAIK, sold better than PS3.
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Methos12
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Joined: 9/05/08
Its better to be quiet and perceived as stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. |
9/16/11 3:49:14 PM#22
I can't WAIT to see those spam pop-ups about XBox LIVE service and how I should subscribe to it. Hopefully the European Union will force Microsoft to remove the service from the initial Windows 8 installation because of the unlawful competition laws situation, something that's not completely alien to Microsoft. Nature without Technology is little more than animals running about. |
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9/16/11 3:49:20 PM#23
Originally posted by Arglebargle That's exactly what I'm saying and why I believe there is credibility to the rumor. Gaming-only hardware is a dying business. Sony loses money on PS3 hardware like crazy and I bet Microsoft either loses or breaks even too on 360 especially now with discounts. They make money on software i.e. games. No point in making an upgradable hardware platform console - just make it a windows 8 PC you plug into your tv and use a controller or keyboard/mouse or connect. So like I said, no more Xbox versus PC for Windows games - just WIndows 8 games that run on whatever hardware you have either it's a win 8 pc or some new console... which is pretty much just a win 8 pc you cna't upgrade lol "You'll find a great many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our point of view." |
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9/16/11 3:50:30 PM#24
Originally posted by mackdawg19 Anyone remember Windows Millenium edition? They're doing it again. If you want instant boot up buy a SSD. It's a reskin. The rest is just Windows dressing, Pun Intended. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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Xzen
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Joined: 5/01/06
A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. |
9/16/11 3:50:55 PM#25
Originally posted by Kaerigan MS lost more cash on RRoD than Sony did on their PS3. Also MS has bought up all the MS/Sony domains and have been talking with sony about teaming up on the next console for a while now. |
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9/16/11 3:52:53 PM#26
Win 8 will be the next ME - stick with 7 and wait for 9... Mechwarrior Online - A Thinking Person's Shoter |
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9/16/11 3:52:58 PM#27
The big difference with Windows 8 that I heard is that it is able to run on a none x86 chip. That means it will run fine on surfing pads and hopefully next generation of cellphones but I am not sure it will affect PC gaming that much. The general problem with PC games the last 10 years or so have been the increased cost in production which have lead to fewer smaller companies which have lead to a lack of imagination. On a C-64 were most games made in a cellar by 1-3 people for almost no cost. In the 90s the team were getting larger and often had 15-20 persons on them and a production cost of 1-5 million dollars. Now we are talking about teams of at least 50 persons, a MMO often have several hundreds working on them. Good graphics takes a lot of more work and coding a good game is a lot of work today. Unless someone invent a cheap way to make a modern game they will continue to rise in production price meaning every year will fewer games release and a few companies like EA and Activision will take even greater parts of the market then they already have. Even if Windows 8 will be able to run console games as rumor say (those rumors were around about W7 as well BTW) I don't think they really will affect the future that much. The reason cell phone games have started to take over the gaming market is that once again can smaller companies make the games, they are a lot cheaper to make. |
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9/16/11 3:59:42 PM#28
Originally posted by BadSpock Not withstanding about the ability of business PCs being unable to run gaming software, business leaders (managers and up) will be worried about losing productivity to any operating system that promotes gaming. Migrating to a new operating system is a pretty big drain on a company's technical support staff, and the added administration to prevent Joe in the Des Moines office from slipping in a Call-of-Duty disk and playing is really nightmarish. (It will essentially be 100s of XBox titles that need administration all at once) I could also offer than many business PCs are easily capable of running most current MMORPG games, albeit many might have to run at lower settings. I suspect most business PCs currently sitting on desks are far more capable that this pathetic PC I run games on. (Asus S7v333 motherboard, 1.6ghz Athalon processor 1.5 Mb memory and Geforce 4 Ti 4200 (AGP) graphics card). I build it when EQ wouldn't run on my previous machine. Now, I couldn't update any component without replacing everything. If you want terrible gaming hardware, look no further. Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority. |
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9/16/11 4:01:42 PM#29
Originally posted by BadSpock It's an entertaining debate. Year after year we hear that the PC is a dying gaming platform and someone predicting the end is nigh. Now this rumor which flies in the exact opposite direction. As to "hardware lock-in", I imagine the companies are not banking so much on huge profits from hardware sales, but instead all those XBox Live subs, points purchases, service fees, etc....Not to say they couldn't offer the same services to PC users, but I wonder how the psychology of "I already spent $$$ on this, might as well use those other features that cost $$$" work. At any rate, I'd have to agree with earlier comments about compatibility. The Xbox is a constant (or near constant) set of configurations that developers can rely on. Move to a PC, which is intended to be "plug and play" and support a pretty wide array of configurations, and you no longer have your "known" configurations. So how do you account for all this besides adding some form of virtualization/hypervisor into the mix to abstract the PCs actual devices (not just the OS HAL)? Once that virtualization/hypervisor in place on a PC, I give it a matter of hours until we see a decent emulator and much easier copying/distribution of games. So I suppose you not only have the hardware concerns, but you essentially remove some of the hassle around piracy (or legit backup of course) as well. This is just a "off the top of my head" response to the conversation so far though. Despite some opinions, I believe MS has some smart people and, if this is in the plans, then I'm sure they have a laundry list of concerns to address that I haven't even considered :P. -mklinic "There's a point I think we're missing. |
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I found this: Reports claim Microsoft's next operating system will be able to play current console game discs through an Xbox Live Gold-like subscription service.Click Source for the link to the article
What we heard: The Teknylate article claims that Windows 8 will let users play Xbox 360 games on their PCs, although it attributes no particular source with the information. Teknylate's piece appears to be the reason this story has entered the news cycle today, but it's not entirely new. A very similar story surfaced in May on Insideris, with the author of that piece (who goes by "Sam") attributed generic "sources" with the information that Xbox 360 functionality on Windows 8 PCs will be reserved for those willing to pay an Xbox Live-like subscription fee. However, the subscription service won't simply be Xbox Live, as cross-platform play will specifically be prohibited to avoid competitive mismatches that could arise from one group of players sporting mice and keyboards while others wield standard Xbox 360 controllers. Such a move would drastically increase the installed user base for the Xbox 360 and bring console gaming into households that never would have considered picking up a $200 gaming system they would play rarely, if at all. The risk of Microsoft undercutting the Xbox 360 market could also be limited as the console is already older at this point than the original Xbox was when it was discontinued. The longer Microsoft can ride this generation, the better, but the software giant is rumored to be unveiling its next step forward by E3 2012. And given the razor-razorblade business model the gaming industry generally adheres to (in which hardware is often initially sold at a loss with the money recouped through software sales), perhaps Microsoft wouldn't mind significantly expanding the Xbox 360 user base without needing to sell more systems. This isn't the first time Microsoft has eyed PC and Xbox integration. The company's original Games for Windows Live initiative brought the Xbox Live gamertag (and games like Gears of War and Halo 2) to PC players with merged friends lists and achievements. And earlier this year, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer confirmed that the Kinect motion-sensing camera peripheral would be coming to the PC, saying, "We'll support that in a formal way in the right time, and when we have an announcement to make, we'll make it." (The company has since released the Kinect software development kit for PC.) It also doesn't take a very long look at Microsoft's first Windows 8 demo video to notice a resemblance between it and the Kinect dashboard. The official word: Microsoft had not responded to GameSpot's request for comment as of press time. Bogus or not bogus: There's essentially nothing to go on here, so it's an obligatory bogus. But Microsoft has indicated it wants to further integrate its Xbox and PC efforts, and the downside here is fairly limited. |
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9/16/11 4:33:04 PM#31
Originally posted by BadSpock Main income for console producers was always moeny from games , not from console sale. Each game on console you buy (PS3, Xbox 360 , Wii , whatever else) ,a certain % of what you paid goes to console producer.
That is why even if company LOSE money on sale of console , in the end it end up earning alot of money.
That's why for a long time PC games were cheaper than console games. Well still many PC games are , at least in my country they are usually cheaper sometimes much cheaper becasue you don't have to pay "tribute" to console producer. But worryingly in some markets that changes and game producers / publishers try to leech more of PC gamers and put those games at same price level thus earning more $ per copy from PC copy than console copy. Though still PC games get discounted faster and discount are bigger...
Well anyway , until we see some valid info as how next gen consoles will look like they hmm.
I don't see Windows 8 running Xbox games , well unless Microsoft want to start taking % of each game that can be run on Windows which first of all would be very bad for consumers and second I don't know if it would be legally possbile.
So I don't really see full compatibility between Xbox 360 and Windows 8 , well at least until next gen of consoles are on market or soon-to-be-on-market. not to mention problems with diffrent architecture of XboX and PC ,etc |
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9/16/11 4:37:00 PM#32
Originally posted by Blutmaul LMAO i think i still have(unused) copy of ME. |
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9/16/11 5:17:31 PM#33
That thing belongs in a museum, my company gave me a better laptop than that "I am not a robot. I am a unicorn." |
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9/16/11 5:27:50 PM#34
Originally posted by Blutmaul I agree. Every other mainstream OS since 95 from MS is shit: 98, ME, Vista While the "goodones" were: 95, 98SE, XP and W7 |
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9/16/11 5:29:40 PM#35
I might be wrong but I think this is a very intelligent play by microsoft. As much as many might deslike it, the future goes thro smartphones, tablets etc. This kind of devices is not very popular for the casual user(like your parents etc) because they bring Android, and iOS systems. Which is diferent that what they are used to, has some compatibility issues etc. Windows 8 will be an universal OS: Works in tablets, pcs, x86 and ARM. They are basically using their share of the market(which IS still huge btw) to convince the casual user to buy a tablets with windows, because it will be just much more convinient. If you were a casual user and had Windows 8 at home, and decided to get a tablet would you get iOS, Android or Windows? Windows would be the obvious choice because its exactly like the PC you have at home.
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
Pointing out the Obvious to the Oblivious since 2006 |
9/16/11 7:58:04 PM#36
Originally posted by zymurgeist Sorry but you're wrong. The performance increase across all types of applications in Windows 8 is quite amazing. I've been checking it out for about 2 days now running it through it's paces and I've yet to find anything that Windows 8 doesn't run better than under Windows 7. Everyone seems so blinded by the new Metro interface that they are completely ignoring the amazing job Microsoft has done optimizing the performance side of things. It uses a lot less system resources than Windows 7 and processor use is lower by as much as 10%-15% for almost every app. Maybe you should actually check it out before you make assumptions.
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9/16/11 8:04:43 PM#37
w8 is meant to bridge the mobility gap so if you arent mobile stick to w7 |
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9/18/11 6:35:54 PM#38
Um... if Microsoft makes their console games work on a pc, what's the point of their console... wouldn't that mean they are retracting from the console market? I doubt they would be putting money into an new xbox console if they do this. The newer xbox games would just play really really poorly on the current xbox console and all the people who refuse to play on a pc would switch to playstation. Don't think pc gaming will ever overtake console gaming. There's way more people out there who only play console games. |
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9/18/11 6:44:50 PM#39
Originally posted by zymurgeist I heard someone say it will kill the android marketplace! lol. |
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9/18/11 6:48:14 PM#40
I highly doubt that microsoft would make their games run on a pc considering they are designing a new or updated console as we speak. Also someone mentioned in this post earlier that microsoft does not make money from the console hardware and that is absolutely correct with any console machine. The money to be made is in the licensing and the sale of games. I used to own a game store back in the 90s in perth western australia so I do have some idea on how the industry works and I think microsoft would be shooting themselves if they did this. |
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