Hey guys, maybe with this new team, they can completely rebuild the game system and make it enjoyable. 

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by marinrider

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by Ridelynn

 

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Originally posted by PukeBucket
Looking forward to seeing this game come out.
But they won't seriously be able to get subscriptions for this game. Alternate money making model needed badly.

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This game has been out for about a year now.

It's been free/no subscription so far - because it sucks so bad, even to the developer, that they couldn't in good conscience charge money for it. They plan to return to a subscription fee "when it's worthy" - although I think they may need to rethink that one.

Yeah I know.

I bought the big box version, and with as many years that I've spent gaining an education I felt foolish.

You feel foolish for spending 50 bucks on a game that has given you F2P for the past year?  Honestly, thats not that bad compared to buying many other MMO's on launch lately.

I paid 70 and honestly the game was so broken I wouldn't have accepted a monthly fee to play it.

It was my fault. I should have checked reviews despite it being a busy time in my life. There was plenty of ample warning about how crap the game was and the state of garbage it was in.

I just didn't have time at that time. I've patched up a few of the fixes and I haven't seen anything different. It's a pretty game, it's mostly empty, it plays poorly. I mean sure it's different than WoW, but a game can't just be different. It has to be good too.

And I've put half that amount of cash into LotRO to get a MMO fix and it's been acceptable. 

I mean there's no argument here. Even Square knew the game sucked, and they admit that is still sucks and are getting new hands and eyes on it.

Don't feel bad SE was begging and strong arming sites to not review the game and to my knowledge a few sites (including this one) did what they asked and put off reviews.

And that still shocks me there is no reason that a game should be thrust upon the market and not reviewed, and the funny thing is even though mmorpg did them that huge favor when they finally did review it fans of the game came on here and roasted them for the reviews score and timing (even though the game had been out for like a year before the review).

Originally posted by Murugan

Originally posted by SuprGamerX

Originally posted by Murugan

In yet another example of why SE and FFXIV are not comparable to poorly launched MMO's of the past the company is hiring more people onto their development team for the rehabilitating MMO.

 

http://www.dualshockers.com/2011/09/14/square-enix-looking-to-strengthen-the-final-fantasy-xiv-development-team/

 

Compared to another often lamented launch of a very promising MMO Vanguard, FFXIV:

• Was not made by a start up company/ponzi scheme led by a visionary with no business skills and an alleged prescription drug problem.
• Was not then sold to the worst MMO company/parasite in the world SOE to be put on a shelf.
• Is hiring rather than firing everyone in some parking lot.
• Has expansions planned rather than coming out and saying that there will likely never be one (because the code doesn't allow it).

 

FFXIV is not Vanguard, and regardless what some forum posters believe.  Square Enix, one of the largest and most sucessful game development/publishing companies in the world, still believes in the projects ability to "get better" and be a sucessful MMO.

 

I'm sure though some real experts can come and enlighten us on how XIV will never make it to the PS3 or have subscription fees before it is "shut down" based on their careful analysis of market trends >.>

Square WERE the largest and most sucessful game development/publishing companies in the world , if we go back 10 years. Today? Not by a long shot. Not with their FF's lasting under 10 hours on console from start to finish and boring story lines.  They used to be the BOMB , but now , I often forget who the hell SquareEnix are. But I do remember who SquareSoft were and those were the days.

You mean FFXIII which sold 6 million+ copies?  Publishing last month's best selling game.  Owning hundreds of sucessful of titles across all platforms in addition to their other holdings in television/toys/comics etc.  Luckily for Square Enix I guess other people didn't forget who the hell they are.

 

Compared to the companies, most of which only develop and do not publish themselves that produce MMO's with the exception of maybe Activision and EA, yeah they are massive and dwarf the majority of the competition.

And yet while other giant companies like EA, Activision Blizzard, NCSoft etc... continue to make millions on video games alone, SE is making a fraction with all their divisions combined together?  In fact, they downgraded their projected profits by almost 90%.  Most of SEs video game profits lie in selling a few titles by the millions.  Their lesser titles, mostly their handhelds, account for chump change.  

They can be as big as they want, but if they're only making a few million in profit every year, they're far from successful.  Especially if their revenue stream is in the billions.

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by marinrider

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by Ridelynn

 

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Originally posted by PukeBucket
Looking forward to seeing this game come out.
But they won't seriously be able to get subscriptions for this game. Alternate money making model needed badly.

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This game has been out for about a year now.

It's been free/no subscription so far - because it sucks so bad, even to the developer, that they couldn't in good conscience charge money for it. They plan to return to a subscription fee "when it's worthy" - although I think they may need to rethink that one.

Yeah I know.

I bought the big box version, and with as many years that I've spent gaining an education I felt foolish.

You feel foolish for spending 50 bucks on a game that has given you F2P for the past year?  Honestly, thats not that bad compared to buying many other MMO's on launch lately.

I paid 70 and honestly the game was so broken I wouldn't have accepted a monthly fee to play it.

It was my fault. I should have checked reviews despite it being a busy time in my life. There was plenty of ample warning about how crap the game was and the state of garbage it was in.

I just didn't have time at that time. I've patched up a few of the fixes and I haven't seen anything different. It's a pretty game, it's mostly empty, it plays poorly. I mean sure it's different than WoW, but a game can't just be different. It has to be good too.

And I've put half that amount of cash into LotRO to get a MMO fix and it's been acceptable. 

I mean there's no argument here. Even Square knew the game sucked, and they admit that is still sucks and are getting new hands and eyes on it.

Don't feel bad SE was begging and strong arming sites to not review the game and to my knowledge a few sites (including this one) did what they asked and put off reviews.

And that still shocks me there is no reason that a game should be thrust upon the market and not reviewed, and the funny thing is even though mmorpg did them that huge favor when they finally did review it fans of the game came on here and roasted them for the reviews score and timing (even though the game had been out for like a year before the review).

I remember reading something like that. I just stuck with lodestone and other SE sites. 

Trust me now. I can wait for a MMO to launch and mature a bit before I make a decision like that again. I'm a creature that can hopefully learn after being biten once.

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by marinrider

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Originally posted by Ridelynn

 

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Originally posted by PukeBucket
Looking forward to seeing this game come out.
But they won't seriously be able to get subscriptions for this game. Alternate money making model needed badly.

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This game has been out for about a year now.

It's been free/no subscription so far - because it sucks so bad, even to the developer, that they couldn't in good conscience charge money for it. They plan to return to a subscription fee "when it's worthy" - although I think they may need to rethink that one.

Yeah I know.

I bought the big box version, and with as many years that I've spent gaining an education I felt foolish.

You feel foolish for spending 50 bucks on a game that has given you F2P for the past year?  Honestly, thats not that bad compared to buying many other MMO's on launch lately.

I paid 70 and honestly the game was so broken I wouldn't have accepted a monthly fee to play it.

It was my fault. I should have checked reviews despite it being a busy time in my life. There was plenty of ample warning about how crap the game was and the state of garbage it was in.

I just didn't have time at that time. I've patched up a few of the fixes and I haven't seen anything different. It's a pretty game, it's mostly empty, it plays poorly. I mean sure it's different than WoW, but a game can't just be different. It has to be good too.

And I've put half that amount of cash into LotRO to get a MMO fix and it's been acceptable. 

I mean there's no argument here. Even Square knew the game sucked, and they admit that is still sucks and are getting new hands and eyes on it.

Don't feel bad SE was begging and strong arming sites to not review the game and to my knowledge a few sites (including this one) did what they asked and put off reviews.

And that still shocks me there is no reason that a game should be thrust upon the market and not reviewed, and the funny thing is even though mmorpg did them that huge favor when they finally did review it fans of the game came on here and roasted them for the reviews score and timing (even though the game had been out for like a year before the review).

I remember reading something like that. I just stuck with lodestone and other SE sites. 

Trust me now. I can wait for a MMO to launch and mature a bit before I make a decision like that again. I'm a creature that can hopefully learn after being biten once.

i think most are at some point bitten... for me, hype is just hype.. and never again will i buy a game on pre-order... and if possible, use a free trial first, and .. always always read the player reviews.. you get good and bad reviews but even so, you can usually get a handle on how a game is from them. I might not agree with player reviews all the time, but i trust them a lot more than the 'official' ones

Im trying to play this game but it's getting impossible, if i ask something to some one no one replies...tried shouting no one replies i have no idea weres the banker if theres one, i have no quests to pick up, just a few leaves wich so i read resets after 36 hours, crafting is a pain in the but since i have not found anything or toturial that pointed how to get so many mats to craft stuff...i just see lots of ppl selling on theirs toons, prices are insane, theres no guilds, linkshells what ever recruiting...i mean...this is not the most friendly game out there, even sandboxes are easyer to play !!! Tough the game is ok nice graphics etc...but thats about it...wanna try it a bit more but is getting fustrating riunning around with no idea what to do :(

Originally posted by WishMeister

Im trying to play this game but it's getting impossible, if i ask something to some one no one replies...tried shouting no one replies i have no idea weres the banker if theres one, i have no quests to pick up, just a few leaves wich so i read resets after 36 hours, crafting is a pain in the but since i have not found anything or toturial that pointed how to get so many mats to craft stuff...i just see lots of ppl selling on theirs toons, prices are insane, theres no guilds, linkshells what ever recruiting...i mean...this is not the most friendly game out there, even sandboxes are easyer to play !!! Tough the game is ok nice graphics etc...but thats about it...wanna try it a bit more but is getting fustrating riunning around with no idea what to do :(

If you really want to try it out stop waiting for someone else to give you the go. Just go on amazon, get it for 10 dollars, and play for free. If you end up not liking it you're only out 10 dollars, and if you do then you made one of the best purchases in your life. Honestly it erks me when I see posts like this because the logic behind it is just... well retarded. :/

Originally posted by MisterSr

Originally posted by WishMeister

Im trying to play this game but it's getting impossible, if i ask something to some one no one replies...tried shouting no one replies i have no idea weres the banker if theres one, i have no quests to pick up, just a few leaves wich so i read resets after 36 hours, crafting is a pain in the but since i have not found anything or toturial that pointed how to get so many mats to craft stuff...i just see lots of ppl selling on theirs toons, prices are insane, theres no guilds, linkshells what ever recruiting...i mean...this is not the most friendly game out there, even sandboxes are easyer to play !!! Tough the game is ok nice graphics etc...but thats about it...wanna try it a bit more but is getting fustrating riunning around with no idea what to do :(

If you really want to try it out stop waiting for someone else to give you the go. Just go on amazon, get it for 10 dollars, and play for free. If you end up not liking it you're only out 10 dollars, and if you do then you made one of the best purchases in your life. Honestly it erks me when I see posts like this because the logic behind it is just... well retarded. :/

I've bought the game and im playing it, but i dont like playing a mmo alone, my point its not retarded or maybe my english is not that good ? What i meant was i was asking for some pointers in the game and no one seem'd to know, was trying to get in a guild or linkshell so i would have some idea what to do and were, that all !!!

Originally posted by WishMeister

Originally posted by MisterSr

Originally posted by WishMeister

Im trying to play this game but it's getting impossible, if i ask something to some one no one replies...tried shouting no one replies i have no idea weres the banker if theres one, i have no quests to pick up, just a few leaves wich so i read resets after 36 hours, crafting is a pain in the but since i have not found anything or toturial that pointed how to get so many mats to craft stuff...i just see lots of ppl selling on theirs toons, prices are insane, theres no guilds, linkshells what ever recruiting...i mean...this is not the most friendly game out there, even sandboxes are easyer to play !!! Tough the game is ok nice graphics etc...but thats about it...wanna try it a bit more but is getting fustrating riunning around with no idea what to do :(

If you really want to try it out stop waiting for someone else to give you the go. Just go on amazon, get it for 10 dollars, and play for free. If you end up not liking it you're only out 10 dollars, and if you do then you made one of the best purchases in your life. Honestly it erks me when I see posts like this because the logic behind it is just... well retarded. :/

I've bought the game and im playing it, but i dont like playing a mmo alone, my point its not retarded or maybe my english is not that good ? What i meant was i was asking for some pointers in the game and no one seem'd to know, was trying to get in a guild or linkshell so i would have some idea what to do and were, that all !!!

Which Server are you on - if your on Besaid - id be happy to help out.

Originally posted by MisterSr

Originally posted by WishMeister

Im trying to play this game but it's getting impossible, if i ask something to some one no one replies...tried shouting no one replies i have no idea weres the banker if theres one, i have no quests to pick up, just a few leaves wich so i read resets after 36 hours, crafting is a pain in the but since i have not found anything or toturial that pointed how to get so many mats to craft stuff...i just see lots of ppl selling on theirs toons, prices are insane, theres no guilds, linkshells what ever recruiting...i mean...this is not the most friendly game out there, even sandboxes are easyer to play !!! Tough the game is ok nice graphics etc...but thats about it...wanna try it a bit more but is getting fustrating riunning around with no idea what to do :(

If you really want to try it out stop waiting for someone else to give you the go. Just go on amazon, get it for 10 dollars, and play for free. If you end up not liking it you're only out 10 dollars, and if you do then you made one of the best purchases in your life. Honestly it erks me when I see posts like this because the logic behind it is just... well retarded. :/

Perhaps before calling out some one as a retard mate you should read his post, he is clearly already playing the game and having a hard time dealing with the ingame systems.

A lot of people WILL Struggle with this because since the original FF online and EQ days which this game wants to hark back to, a whole generation of gamers have been brought into the fold, and they are used to EQ2, WOW style gaming.

Its not always just a bad thing either, one of the problems with FFXIV is it does a terrible job of explaining ANYTHING to you.  Its simple BAD DESIGN when you have to look at out of game resources (Websites ect) to understand fundamental ingame systems.  Its one thing to offer challenging content but to make the challenge one of having to second guess the UI or figure out how to do simple ingame tasks (note tasks not quests) such as getting started with crafting thats bad design.

He also states that the ingame community has largely ignored his requests for help, finally when he posts about it he gets called retarded.

No offense but for a game thats dieing on its feet and has a tiny tiny player base, well you would think the player base would be more helpful.  The OP slates Vanguard which is another game that screwed up its launch and yes SE are handling it much better but the VG community is a lot more helpful to players thats for sure.

Originally posted by WishMeister
First of all im on Selbina server playing a THM lvl 12 atm :) @Kothoses, thanks for puting my thougts into small pieces... Im not the kind of player that wants everything on a plate, but i do expect some tips from the older players, thats what online playing is all about, interaction :) And yes VG comunity is, as far as it concerns me, doing a lot more in helping newbs. But since FF is runing free to play ill be around for a while, since the game as some aspects that cought my attention ;) Cheers

Suprises me that you would have this problem on Selbina, the best server community in the game.  How do you approach people with questions, do you just /shout questions or send tells to people?  When do you play?

Anyways I'm on Selbina feel free to add me to your friend's list and ask me any questions.  You might also want to get in a casual/leveling linkshell.

Though not exhaustive a good place to start looking for one would be:

http://www.ffxivpro.com/search/linkshell?server_id=13&recruiting=&social=1

I actually like how FFXIV is right now.  It has a couple of rough edges that are going to be ironed out in the next patch, but if I have one complaint the game is too easy to level.  I've gotten 5 jobs to 50, and every job over 30 (including crafts, which are really really easy compared to ffxi).  If it was me, I'd get rid of the leves and go back to the old fashioned grind of ffxi, but then noone would play it but me /cry

Players always cry about how they don't want a game like WoW, yet when they come out they say I wish this had "WoW component".  I guess you can't please anyone these days.

I'm trying to get into the game. I have a level 18 conjurer, physical level 17 and finding something to do is difficult. Guild Leves aren't plentiful, rewards are rather ho-hum and to be honest they are quite boring. Not to mention crafting, geesh I liked crafting in UO, LOTRO, even Aion had an interesting crafting system, but FFXIV.. snooze and on top of it getting the components to craft or knowing how/where to find them isn't easy.  Oh and harvesting, I don't even begin to pretend to understand harvesting in this game.

I'm on Mysidia and absolutely no one talks.

Originally posted by Murugan

Originally posted by WishMeister
First of all im on Selbina server playing a THM lvl 12 atm :) @Kothoses, thanks for puting my thougts into small pieces... Im not the kind of player that wants everything on a plate, but i do expect some tips from the older players, thats what online playing is all about, interaction :) And yes VG comunity is, as far as it concerns me, doing a lot more in helping newbs. But since FF is runing free to play ill be around for a while, since the game as some aspects that cought my attention ;) Cheers

Suprises me that you would have this problem on Selbina, the best server community in the game.  How do you approach people with questions, do you just /shout questions or send tells to people?  When do you play?

 

Anyways I'm on Selbina feel free to add me to your friend's list and ask me any questions.  You might also want to get in a casual/leveling linkshell.

 

Though not exhaustive a good place to start looking for one would be:

 

http://www.ffxivpro.com/search/linkshell?server_id=13&recruiting=&social=1

I started asking on public chat/shouting...then i literaly sited on Ul'dah near the teleport crystal thingy sending tells to ppl passing, i was there for about an hour lol and no one seem'd to care, some would not reply others just telling me they were busy or didnt knew, the question was simple, "hi can u tell me if theres a warehouse or bank were i can store my stuff like mats etc... if theres one can u point were" not a hard question i think, and in the meanwhile i was hoping to get a conversation going, and see if i could find a way to get in a linkshell.

Like i said earlier, im not a type of guy that wants every thing on a plate, but since this isnt a game u can just jump in and start rushing to lvl cap, and start crafting like u do in WoW or any similar game, having a nice comunity to give u some pointers is allways great.

Anyways, i usualy play in the morning or a litlle at this time of night GMT+0 =)

Thanks for the site, as it have some good info about the game, hope ill catch u up ingame, good karma FTW =)

Cheers ^^

People in this game do not talk !

Square has not changed their ways one bit.Since that botched up lazy approach to FXIV,they have made so many lazy ass decisions in ffxi,it drove me away from the game.I think what we have since Tanaka is out,is a bunch of new wave WOW type gamers making the decisions.They have already turned FFXI into WOW2,no more game ,just end game loot grinding,i can't think of a more lame game design than that.

How in one swoop a developer can change a game so badly is beyond me,but i guess SOE did the same with SWG.

This is not something related to ONLY FFXIV,this is a trend i have watched for many years now.I am not sure if it is greed or taking your customers for granted or new people in charge,i really don't know.

This trend started back in the TOAU xpac for FFXI,they ruined the entire game that exhisted just to sell the NEW xpac.I guess they were worried that if old content remained viable ,they wouldn't sell many xpacs.They didn't even fisnish the story lines /quests ,took many months after to get those in order.I remeber when they introduced the new classes,they didn't even have the AF gear ready for pupp.Yep this trend started long ago,and we saw it in copy /paste mapping inm FFXIV,we saw it in those incredibly cheap xpacs kupo detat or whatever they were called.They rehashed old maps in the other xpac,just incredible cheap lazy effort.

Their own staff said the new game engine was a mistake and you know why?They kept it too much in line with the old one,because they were worried about retraining their staff.So yes everywhere you turn they are cheap 101,trying to cut corners to save a buck.You know who i see is doing this same thing now?A-Net..cutting corners 101.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Square has not changed their ways one bit.Since that botched up lazy approach to FXIV,they have made so many lazy ass decisions in ffxi,it drove me away from the game.I think what we have since Tanaka is out,is a bunch of new wave WOW type gamers making the decisions.They have already turned FFXI into WOW2,no more game ,just end game loot grinding,i can't think of a more lame game design than that.

How in one swoop a developer can change a game so badly is beyond me,but i guess SOE did the same with SWG.

This is not something related to ONLY FFXIV,this is a trend i have watched for many years now.I am not sure if it is greed or taking your customers for granted or new people in charge,i really don't know.

This trend started back in the TOAU xpac for FFXI,they ruined the entire game that exhisted just to sell the NEW xpac.I guess they were worried that if old content remained viable ,they wouldn't sell many xpacs.They didn't even fisnish the story lines /quests ,took many months after to get those in order.I remeber when they introduced the new classes,they didn't even have the AF gear ready for pupp.Yep this trend started long ago,and we saw it in copy /paste mapping inm FFXIV,we saw it in those incredibly cheap xpacs kupo detat or whatever they were called.They rehashed old maps in the other xpac,just incredible cheap lazy effort.

Their own staff said the new game engine was a mistake and you know why?They kept it too much in line with the old one,because they were worried about retraining their staff.So yes everywhere you turn they are cheap 101,trying to cut corners to save a buck.You know who i see is doing this same thing now?A-Net..cutting corners 101.

Ok its hard for me to understand what you're saying with all the typos friend. proof-reading FTW.

OP: I think it's amazing that they are adding people to the team to help get this game in shape. as a long time FF-er i was very upset when i first started this game and myself even cited it to be a failure once i started playing it.

However with this information about the dev team, i am letting the embers of hope i keep poking flame up abit, why would they spend more time and money on this game if they dont think they can make it right :) i missed the era of FFXI, but the wonderful things i've heard about it make me long for an MMO with the FF tag attached. my two cents

FFXIV is weak mmorpg with poor combat system. They can add anything they like but game will not be good if current battle system is in use, lol. Guys, its unplayable.

ff 14 is like final fantasy 7 with shinny graphic and online!sorry by seeing the loading.. loading ..loading screen all the time cuts it for me!