Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by precious328

I can pretty much write this game off now.

 

PayPal is the devil. I do a ton of eBaying and know a lot about it. PayPal is a worthless outsourcing pile of ####.

Have fun dealing with asians named "Bob" and "John", yet can barely pronounce it.

 

Not this time, Kotick

It's an option so if you don't want to use it, then don't.

I'm just wondering if you list an item for a fee, and it doesn't sell if you're just out the money then.  Seems like an easy way for blizzard to make massive cash off Diablo 3 players without much benifit to the game.  That's what I'm concerned about, more than them adding options for its playerbase, lol.

I'll bet you dollar's to doughnut's that it will be the case.

Easy money

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Excalaber2

To the poster wondering what happens when your item doesn't sell:  Blizzard still takes their cut regardless of if you sell. 

Really? That seems dumb to me. They would earn more money otherwise, now people wont put out as much stuff.

 Almost. There's a small non-refundable up front fee to list. There's a larger fee when you sell. It's to keep people from flooding the auction house with useless items.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Excalaber2

To the poster wondering what happens when your item doesn't sell:  Blizzard still takes their cut regardless of if you sell. 

Really? That seems dumb to me. They would earn more money otherwise, now people wont put out as much stuff.

 Almost. There's a small nion-refundable up front fee to list. There's a larger fee when you sell. It's to keep people from flooding the auction house with useless items.

I foresee players having massive posting fees charged to them after their account is hijacked.

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Excalaber2

To the poster wondering what happens when your item doesn't sell:  Blizzard still takes their cut regardless of if you sell. 

Really? That seems dumb to me. They would earn more money otherwise, now people wont put out as much stuff.

 Almost. There's a small nion-refundable up front fee to list. There's a larger fee when you sell. It's to keep people from flooding the auction house with useless items.

I foresee players having massive posting fees charged to them after their account is hijacked.

 You can only post on the cash auction house if your Blizzard account  already contains the funds to pay the fee. So unless they have access to both your account and paypal or credit account information they can't do it. Also they will probably require authenticators to be on enabled accounts.

Originally posted by wesjr

This should be interesting as PAYPAL does not offer buyer/seller protection on virtual sales ....

Doesn't matter.  If you're a seller, your funds come from Blizzard, not from some kid who stole their parent's credit card.  If you're a buyer, your funds are processed by Blizzard, NOT paypal.  Blizzard is the entity that will be providing the buyer/seller protection.

 Heh , *sigh* , 2 words and a number ; TorchLight 2 ... :P

Originally posted by precious328

The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.

How pathetic.  Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money.  Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week.  Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.

Originally posted by emperorwings

Just do most trades in lobby chat and ignore the AH.

That idea won't work 

there is going to be A-hole who say  " iIl buy the item"

...wait for u to put it in Ah ...then ignore u lol

Originally posted by SuprGamerX

 Heh , *sigh* , 2 words and a number ; TorchLight 2 ... :P

or maybe a remix of NOX from westwood

=(

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by precious328

The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.

How pathetic.  Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money.  Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week.  Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.

Get your facts straight.Ofcourse the guy that plays more will have more items and more game experience than you. So, you are saying that a student that studies 15 hours a week should have the benefit to buy his degree, because the other student that studies 70 hours a week got it too.

It doesn't even matter in the end.If you can only play 15 hours a week then you wont be able to compete with the hardcore gamers anyway.No matter how much you money spend on RMT.Its just a way for the companies to make more money of you. You are free to spend it,noone forces you not to.

I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.

its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....

Nothing. 

So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model. 

Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on. 

Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.

My 2 cents.

(edit. Spel lik krap)

Excellent, looking forward to it.

Thanks for the update.

Well, Paypal is really the biggest company for handling this, so no surprises here.

It's actually interesting to see that they will finally allow players to do Blizzard purchases through Paypal too.

And for those that dislike Paypal, it is only going to be used for cashing out in the real world, you can leave the money in the system if you prefer, and use it within the system.

I think its funny that someone called this 'Virtual Socialism'.  Isn't being able to buy and sell any goods a capitalistic notion?

I think that the main problem with this sort of thing is that games used to be a haven for people to escape from everyday problems, such as their $$ problems.  Games like D2 made them feel better about that because power in D2 is based off of how much free time you have/time you play, not how much money you have.  It creates a happy little community outside of real world economics where everyone can be equal and nobody can buy their way to the top (or at least D2 created the illusion of that, everyone knew that there was a huge item market online).  Now that escapist ideal is falling wayside and I can understand why that bothers people.

But having a server where there is no cash marketplace won't help anything.  There was never a diablo without a cash marketplace, it was just an illusion (because you ignored the ebaying of items) in order to enjoy your money-free escapism-driven game.

wow instead of adding some depth to this shadow of its former self they are busy getting their p2w house right, what a horrible horrible company Blizzard has become under Activision.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Eladi, Paypal is one of the most used and recognizable forms of online payment systems. Also, as it's been said already. This will be more of a way to convert your cash over to Paypal or adding currency from a Paypal account to Blizzards system. I can really only name about 3 different online payment systems that are widley used, with Paypal being the top. And I shop pretty much everywhere.

 

 

 

What about Moneybookers and neteller??

I use it for my poker account works fine .

O ya must be 18+ :D

I won't be paying money for this garbage. Diablo is about the option to LAN and NOT cash shops! I will give Torchlight II my money instead.

Originally posted by Lynxeyed

as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.

well the reason why companies are doing that is to cater to weekend warriors like yourself... so more people can play and consequently give more money. so of course blizzard is going to prefer your wallet to the wallet of your 13 year old who can probably just buy the box, specially since you will probably end up funding a few things here and there for him as well...xmas, birthday etc....

its a brilliant concept economically. 

on the other hand maybe weekend warriors should find games that fit best their shedule?. there is no such class in a game like diablo. 

it is really sad that gaming has come to this where the way games are made has CHANGED and CATERED for people who have no business in games... 

worst part is that we, the true gamers are a dying breed and this cash thing is an abomination and an insult to our community

im sure if i make a game, sell the box 50$, then put a 9.99 subscription, and a special cash shop where anything in the game can be bought, that includes levels, spells armor weapons accessories and looks. so for 250$ you can have a max lvl character pimped out with all skills and build. you can also buy as many character slots as you want. for 5$/slot im sure you weekend warriors would not hesitate a second to take out your credit cards and get 4 maxed out characters... that you play on weekends... 

Originally posted by DerWotan

wow instead of adding some depth to this shadow of its former self they are busy getting their p2w house right, what a horrible horrible company Blizzard has become under Activision.

 

Any tradeable item, weapon, armor, etc. can be bought for cash for any game somewhere.  So please explain to me how this is different, oh yeah, with Blizzard and paypal you won't get ripped off like so many do with these gold selling sites.  

The poster above is very correct, Diablo II is plagued with bots pushing items, it will be nice to not have that in Diablo III.

I don't know if i'll ever play Blizzard games again after they pulled a stunt where they won't remove the trial limitation after i've purchased World of Warcraft.