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  Distopia

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9/13/11 3:35:35 PM#41
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

Imagine if Luke Skywalker wasn't snaped up by Obi Wan but was instead taken under the wing of Boba Fett.

Boba would have shot him after he got sick of hearing the whines.

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9/13/11 3:36:52 PM#42
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

Imagine if Luke Skywalker wasn't snaped up by Obi Wan but was instead taken under the wing of Boba Fett.

Boba would have shot him after he got sick of hearing the whines.

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  Kabaal

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9/13/11 3:37:36 PM#43
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

Imagine if Luke Skywalker wasn't snaped up by Obi Wan but was instead taken under the wing of Boba Fett.

Boba would have shot him after he got sick of hearing the whines.

I laughed hard at that, but yeah you get the point

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  itchmon

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9/13/11 3:39:09 PM#44

I think a lot of people need to seek a helmet, strap it on and deal with the fact that considerations to make this a good game have to supercede the considerations to make it 100A% lore-worthy.

 

the same exact complaining started when LOTRO was nearing release, incidentally.

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  BarCrow

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9/13/11 3:42:22 PM#45

It's no different than everyone playing Dark Elves/Wizards/Vampires in fantasy MMOs or whatever bad-ass archetype or cool character  is familiar to a particular genre. There will always be a degree of ridiculousness in any mmo as the most populated games are always swarming with heros and chosen ones because players limited by classes  are the only game personas outside of NPCs. Even if an excellent game like Vanguard suddenly gained a huge population you would  gradually see more of the same favorite classes or builds running around everywhere.

  Distopia

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9/13/11 3:42:26 PM#46
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

Imagine if Luke Skywalker wasn't snaped up by Obi Wan but was instead taken under the wing of Boba Fett.

Boba would have shot him after he got sick of hearing the whines.

I laughed hard at that, but yeah you get the point

Yeah I hardly laugh at my own jokes, but that gave me a chuckle just thinking about it. First thing that came to mind after reading your post.

 

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  SirBalin

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9/13/11 3:43:22 PM#47
Originally posted by Yamota

How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

While I'm not the slightest bit excited for this game, it will be care bear and weak for my liking...I will say that the timeline totally fits all the jedi.  Remember, the galaxy was once very populated with jedi...this takes place way before the jedi were thinned out. 

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  leojreimroc

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9/13/11 3:57:13 PM#48

How many people does a server hold usually?  Not at once but total.  3-4k? More? I'm not sure.

But imagine it's 4k, and all of these people roll force users, half on each side.  So in the entire galaxy (server) you'd have around 2k each jedis and sith.  The galaxy is huge; this number is not that over the top.

  Kabaal

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9/13/11 4:07:06 PM#49
Originally posted by leojreimroc

How many people does a server hold usually?  Not at once but total.  3-4k? More? I'm not sure.

But imagine it's 4k, and all of these people roll force users, half on each side.  So in the entire galaxy (server) you'd have around 2k each jedis and sith.  The galaxy is huge; this number is not that over the top.

Simutaneously most modern servers for MMO's can take a max load of anywhere between 4 - 10k users on at any one time, in the past 2-3k concurrent was pushing it but not nowadays. Btw it's never a single server but a group of them working together. You're talking more in line of 50k plus active accounts per server. The tech exists to hold upwards of 100k concurrent connections via massive server farms but till now isn't really needed.

When you think of the planets and how many Jedi/Sith will be flooding them i'm sure it sounds preposterous if comparing to the books and movies, but it's an MMO, you have to give them lee way.

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  Unshra

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9/13/11 4:10:19 PM#50
Originally posted by Yamota

How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

The timeline allows for several Jedi and Sith, remember this is just before the New Sith War (aka Jedi-Sith War). The population around this time period for both was rather large (larger then the Jedi population in the prequels.) So no it does not brake immersion, as a matter of fact if there were fewer Jedi and Sith it would be far more immersion braking.

 

Remember this is the Old Republic era, this means high populations (eventually leading to many Jedi falling to the darkside) and fighting (eventually leading to the massive Jedi-Sith war).

 

Also these are not the "elite" Jedi you see in the movies, those took time to polish time these Jedi and Sith don't have and the honest truth is a Jedi would be luck to live long enough to be called old in this era. Vets are rare, corpses are plentiful and most of those bodies were caused by "non" Jedi/Sith, so yes it was not uncommon to see a trooper take out a Sith or an agent takeout a Jedi. However that is not the point really what is the point is that you can not have a "God" class in an MMO that is player controlled it just does not work.

 

I think it would be best to view it on a more real level, like wars in the past both sides are building their numbers. Sure there will be a few "elites" (mostly played by NPCs) that match the original trilogy but the simple reality is that there will be far more bodies. Welcome to the Old Republic era.

 

 


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9/13/11 4:10:51 PM#51

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

  Kabaal

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9/13/11 4:18:58 PM#52
Originally posted by DerWotan

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

 

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9/13/11 4:26:12 PM#53
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by DerWotan

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

 

 

Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

  raistlinm

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9/13/11 4:31:11 PM#54
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by DerWotan

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

 

Better yet most people don't want to grind for six months or so only to discover they were lied to about being able to unlock the class they wanted to play in the first place.

And as far as this topic goes the op clearley knows nothing about the actual lore of star wars but has seemed to have watched the movies and decided that anything that falls outside of those parameters is wrong.

But even if somehow this point made snese my question would then become why not trust that if it is happening LA is allowing it therefore that version of the lore in this regard becomes much more important than whatever complaint one may have about what's been going on so far.

Am I the only person on these forums who ever read comics and realized that lore changes all the time in just about every ip be it from author to author,comic book to movie, movie to cartoon???

Why does this bother people so much changing the lore doesn't cause a rift in the time space continuum so get over it guys.

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9/13/11 4:44:50 PM#55
Originally posted by BigGerty

I call this the Vader effect.  People think that because Vader was so badass, all Jedi and Sith must be badass....but this isn't the case.

Anakin / Vader was not a badass. He was a pussy.

Lets look at those Anakin / Vader actually killed:

A Tribe of Tuskens (women and children too)

ALL the Jedi Younglings

Some Trade Federation nubs

Padme

Force Choked an Admiral

Obi-Wan Kenobi (but ONLY once OWK was an old man and let him. Young OWK WTFPWND Anakin/Vader in the 1st round)

Palpatine/Sidious

 

Ooo yeah, Some Badass he was.

 

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9/13/11 4:45:49 PM#56

Why is it so hard to understand that in a galaxy with numerous systems, populated by billions of sentient beings, that there would be hundreds upon thousands of force sensitive beings. Just because the movies focused on a small fraction of those beings doesn't mean there aren't many others out there. It's a much bigger universe than what the movies focused on.

As for the jedi being elite warriors, I seem to recall many of them falling in episode III to Republic troops that had no force ability at all.

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  Tamanous

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9/13/11 4:54:56 PM#57

Remember that it is complete BS that jedi's are uber special simply because they take a lifetime to train. Any specialist has to dedicate their lives to their art. This could be Bounty Hunting, smuggler, Teräs Käsi, etc. To be the best you would have to dedicate your life to it. Obviously there will be areas of strengths and weaknesses between professions of all sorts in both combat and out of combat areas. We can only hope that story arc and in game mechanics help differentiate non-comat differences well. There are reasons you hire a smuggler over a jedi at times. The game may someday reflect this if not at least through story arc and rp evolution.

But this is about combat for the most part and too many players forget the draw backs to playing a tradition force user. If roleplayed correctly they are bound heavily to doctrine and tradition. Dispite what emo jedi wannabees may screem about, a lightsabre isn't the end all be all weapon of the universe. It is prefered by jedi and sith out of tradition and training. It is melee and will always be a limitation to the user. Deflection and energy absorption is largely bypassed by mere slugthrowers and smart and skilled warriors have been known to specialize in killing jedi without the aid of the force at all.

I agree that this game will likely not touch upon some of the greatest feats a force master can do (perhaps a little through story) but as amazing as those are there are others who still have accomplished feats as great or greater than their force rivals. All what Vader and the Emperor did through the use of force  combined with tactics (expanded universe story speaks of them using massively wide area force abilities to assist with troop and fleet tactics and moral) was matched and often exceeded (greater results with smaller resources) by Thrawn through sheer tactics alone.

The answer to all this is changing your view point. You want to defend what you 'think' a jedi is but need to consider an alternative point of view. If want to be powerful then level your guy up, get the best gear to reflect your accomplishements and skill up to be the best you can be within a group. I am sure you won't feel wanting unless blatant balance issues occur at times through mechanics. Also it is an mmo so there may simply be times you are challenged greatly when facing certain classes.

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9/13/11 4:56:55 PM#58

No. Not everyone can be a jedi.

 

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9/13/11 5:52:48 PM#59
Originally posted by DerWotan
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by DerWotan

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

We're ALL playing elite characters and jedi were not the only elite fighters in the galaxy.

Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

 

 

Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

 Another reminder of why people like you should never be allowed to dictate how games are made.You don't even know the complete lore of the universe in which you speak and you want games to resemble real life to the point that the game is monotonous and boring. But let's take your faulty logic to its logical conclusion:

Bounty Hunters take years to get to know people in order to track their bounties. It also takes months to learn how to fire their weapons and become marksman. Add in the amount of time it takes them to learn how to pilot a ship and it should take at the very least 6 months of gameplay in order to be any good at being a bounty hunter. Since bounty hunters have killed jedi in the lore, we should add even more time to get good with the gadgets that are nessecary in order to survive an ennconter with them.

This isn't SWG. Bioware as well as every other gaming company with any ounce of common sense will not repeat the mistake of introducing alpha classes in an MMORPG. It's NOT true to the lore and it wrecks PVP. No thank you. I'll take Bioware's true lore approach over SOE's lore/game breaking one.

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  raistlinm

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9/13/11 6:01:32 PM#60
Originally posted by DerWotan
Originally posted by Kabaal
Originally posted by DerWotan

When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

If you will the Elite or the Elite

Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

 

 

Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

The lore belongs to LA and they have given BW the rights to make the game using the lore that it uses who's opinion is worth more in this yours or BW's besides the point that there are numerous jedi in the era in which the game is made.

And if you are that familiar with the lore you will know that the classes this game represents have in fact killed jedi both before the time of the films and after as well so why then should they just hand out all those other classes but make it more difficult to become jedi or sith because some misguided people can't get over the WOW factor they themselves feel Jedi represent?

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