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  ZombieKen

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9/09/11 8:32:29 AM#21

I see it as a publicity stunt.  Tacky makes for great sensationalist headlines.

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  Loktofeit

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9/09/11 8:43:07 AM#22
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Talthanys
While I think very little of Palin, Beck, and O'Reilly, crafting their likenesses as targets in a commercial  video game steps beyond the pale. Using this platform (the gaming industry) for expressing political opinions is ultimately hurtful to the industry.




They do this with movies, books and television, why is it surprising that people would do this with the next biggest form of entertainment? This isn't the first politically themed game to come out, and it won't be the last.

It is a pretty poor platform for political statements though. You definitely get the, "I don't like the Tea Party!" idea, but you don't get much in the way of actual thinking or promotion of ideas beyond, "Don't like this!"

 

Really? Can you link me to the movies, books ot TV shows where real (not fictitious) politicians currently in office are being repeatedly executed?

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  Lexin

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9/09/11 8:52:23 AM#23
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Talthanys
While I think very little of Palin, Beck, and O'Reilly, crafting their likenesses as targets in a commercial  video game steps beyond the pale. Using this platform (the gaming industry) for expressing political opinions is ultimately hurtful to the industry.




They do this with movies, books and television, why is it surprising that people would do this with the next biggest form of entertainment? This isn't the first politically themed game to come out, and it won't be the last.

It is a pretty poor platform for political statements though. You definitely get the, "I don't like the Tea Party!" idea, but you don't get much in the way of actual thinking or promotion of ideas beyond, "Don't like this!"

 

Really? Can you link me to the movies, books ot TV shows where real (not fictitious) politicians currently in office are being repeatedly executed?

Never going to find one unless it's a Biography or Documentaries.

 

Agree with a previous post that if it were based on the dems it would be an even bigger thing then it is now. 

Guess we need to wait and see now how badly this will affect gaming.

  Salio69

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9/09/11 9:05:03 AM#24

funny that these guys end up on the other side of the stick and qq about it. these exact same people support  ideas like this that attack their muslim counter parts.

right wing muslim extremist = taliban etc

right wing american extremist = tea party

if this game came out shooting muslims they would praise it and call it patriotic. they are no different from the taliban themselves.

this exact same group is responsible for releasing the "9/11 coloring book" which targets 3-8 year old children. in it, you get to color osama bin laden. that alone is trying to promote racism and hate towards other people.

yet they still qq when they finally get outted for the monsters they are.

oh and for the record, i am not a democrate or republican. im an independant. one of the last few left.

+1 for this game.

  Loktofeit

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9/09/11 9:07:47 AM#25
Originally posted by Lexin
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Talthanys
While I think very little of Palin, Beck, and O'Reilly, crafting their likenesses as targets in a commercial  video game steps beyond the pale. Using this platform (the gaming industry) for expressing political opinions is ultimately hurtful to the industry.




They do this with movies, books and television, why is it surprising that people would do this with the next biggest form of entertainment? This isn't the first politically themed game to come out, and it won't be the last.

It is a pretty poor platform for political statements though. You definitely get the, "I don't like the Tea Party!" idea, but you don't get much in the way of actual thinking or promotion of ideas beyond, "Don't like this!"

 

Really? Can you link me to the movies, books ot TV shows where real (not fictitious) politicians currently in office are being repeatedly executed?

Never going to find one unless it's a Biography or Documentaries.

 

Agree with a previous post that if it were based on the dems it would be an even bigger thing then it is now. 

Guess we need to wait and see now how badly this will affect gaming.

Exactly - a historical depiction of an actual death, not a video/story about murdering contemporary politicians.

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  Loktofeit

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9/09/11 9:27:47 AM#26
Originally posted by Salio69

this exact same group is responsible for releasing the "9/11 coloring book" which targets 3-8 year old children. in it, you get to color osama bin laden. that alone is trying to promote racism and hate towards other people.

I have to admit that my first reaction to that statement was thiat is seemed like a bit of Undercover Brother thinking going on there, so I decided to research it myself and, while I still don't see the connection between allowing someone to color in multi-cultural pictures and promoting racism*, pages like crying at a memorial wall or action shots of shooting Muslims (terrorist or not) are just inappropriate for the target audience on so many levels.The shooting one is actually inappropriate for ANY audience at ANY level when you think about it.

 

*This view seems so odd to me, as in elementary school, acknowledging the diversity of the class and embracing it was encouraged. Everyone being different was always presented as a good thing. That the same approach in today's world would be perceived as racism is scary.

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  lizardbones

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9/09/11 1:43:37 PM#27


Originally posted by Loktofeit


Originally posted by Salio69

this exact same group is responsible for releasing the "9/11 coloring book" which targets 3-8 year old children. in it, you get to color osama bin laden. that alone is trying to promote racism and hate towards other people.


I have to admit that my first reaction to that statement was thiat is seemed like a bit of Undercover Brother thinking going on there, so I decided to research it myself and, while I still don't see the connection between allowing someone to color in multi-cultural pictures and promoting racism*, pages like crying at a memorial wall or action shots of shooting Muslims (terrorist or not) are just inappropriate for the target audience on so many levels.The shooting one is actually inappropriate for ANY audience at ANY level when you think about it.
 
*This view seems so odd to me, as in elementary school, acknowledging the diversity of the class and embracing it was encouraged. Everyone being different was always presented as a good thing. That the same approach in today's world would be perceived as racism is scary.



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  miceinblack

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9/09/11 1:43:40 PM#28

I think politics in gaming is totally viable and can easily be incorporated. I even found a good example of how it could be done.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepS-IyKOLE

 

 

  lizardbones

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9/09/11 1:46:10 PM#29


Originally posted by Loktofeit


Originally posted by Lexin


Originally posted by Loktofeit


Originally posted by lizardbones
 


Originally posted by Talthanys
While I think very little of Palin, Beck, and O'Reilly, crafting their likenesses as targets in a commercial  video game steps beyond the pale. Using this platform (the gaming industry) for expressing political opinions is ultimately hurtful to the industry.


They do this with movies, books and television, why is it surprising that people would do this with the next biggest form of entertainment? This isn't the first politically themed game to come out, and it won't be the last.

It is a pretty poor platform for political statements though. You definitely get the, "I don't like the Tea Party!" idea, but you don't get much in the way of actual thinking or promotion of ideas beyond, "Don't like this!"
 


Really? Can you link me to the movies, books ot TV shows where real (not fictitious) politicians currently in office are being repeatedly executed?


Never going to find one unless it's a Biography or Documentaries.
 
Agree with a previous post that if it were based on the dems it would be an even bigger thing then it is now. 
Guess we need to wait and see now how badly this will affect gaming.


Exactly - a historical depiction of an actual death, not a video/story about murdering contemporary politicians.



I was thinking more along the lines of political commentary and views showing up in entertainment. It's why video games are a poor platform for political commentary. Most video games are about killing stuff. Doesn't leave much room for getting your message across.

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  Loktofeit

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9/09/11 1:51:41 PM#30
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Loktofeit


Originally posted by Salio69

this exact same group is responsible for releasing the "9/11 coloring book" which targets 3-8 year old children. in it, you get to color osama bin laden. that alone is trying to promote racism and hate towards other people.



I have to admit that my first reaction to that statement was thiat is seemed like a bit of Undercover Brother thinking going on there, so I decided to research it myself and, while I still don't see the connection between allowing someone to color in multi-cultural pictures and promoting racism*, pages like crying at a memorial wall or action shots of shooting Muslims (terrorist or not) are just inappropriate for the target audience on so many levels.The shooting one is actually inappropriate for ANY audience at ANY level when you think about it.
 
*This view seems so odd to me, as in elementary school, acknowledging the diversity of the class and embracing it was encouraged. Everyone being different was always presented as a good thing. That the same approach in today's world would be perceived as racism is scary.



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  Xzen

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9/09/11 2:02:52 PM#31

I bet home boy won't be so proud of his little game when suddenly FBI.

 

I also think that FPS video games do not encourage violence but they do provide visual training for it.

  Unlight

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9/09/11 2:09:22 PM#32

I don't know if it's wise for them to get involved in politics, but I don't really care either.  There are plenty of idiot celebrities jumping up on their soapboxes, preaching their own brand of poorly conceived political idealogy ripped wholesale from the headlines of the standard newsrags.  Why should the makers of a game self-censor themselves? 

Neither do I care if their actions or views are considered offensive.  I'm offended hourly by both the left and right-wing crackpots out there, but that's my problem and I would never advocate silencing them just because their message makes me want to vomit.  The alternative is far worse, in my opinion.

Let them make their silly little game and stop fretting about it.  It will leave no lasting, meaningful impact and will disappear into the realm of the irrelevant within a couple of weeks ... unless people keep giving it CPR by talking about it.

  ctshame

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9/09/11 2:33:38 PM#33

Politicians are probably eatting this up so they can continue making more excuses to distract us from the countries deficeit. Lolol

  jinxxed0

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9/09/11 2:40:05 PM#34
Originally posted by ctshame

Politicians are probably eatting this up so they can continue making more excuses to distract us from the countries deficeit. Lolol

Prolly the smartest post in this thread.

  Icewhite

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9/09/11 4:36:52 PM#35

I don't see it as much different from the borderline libelous flash movies that appear in every campaign.

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  Loktofeit

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9/09/11 5:01:00 PM#36
Originally posted by Icewhite

I don't see it as much different from the borderline libelous flash movies that appear in every campaign.

Interesting point, Ice.

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  DLangley

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9/09/11 5:05:50 PM#37

Just a reminder : While this topic is political in nature, please remember not to offend anyone of a particular ideology. Discuss this topic only. Thanks!

  atticusbc

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9/09/11 5:11:44 PM#38
Originally posted by Kaerigan

That game sounds awesome, but I agree with you, perhaps not the best subject for a videogame, at least not in the US. Also, from the article:

Some researchers contend that first-person shooter games, where the user wields weapons to attack human targets, encourage actual acts of violence by helping a potential gunman to visualize and practice an attack.

LOL

Yes because then you know where to pick up health packs, power-ups, and how many shots to the face you can take before you die.

  severius

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9/09/11 5:15:26 PM#39
Originally posted by fansede

Honestly I don't think it is wise for a gaming company to get involved in politics. Imagine if a game hd you shooting the President.? Al Sharpton?  A head shot to John Stewart and Rachel Maddow? Would you expect nothing to happen?

It brings bad attention to the gaming industry and is asking for regulatory slaps on the whole industry. You may get some media attention now, but congressional hearings - already leary of gaming companies for "corrupting the youth", now has more fodder.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/video-game-kills-palin/2011/09/07/id/410140?s=al&promo_code=CFF3-1

 

Tea Party Zombies Must Die

Looking forward to see if there is the same amount of outrage as there was about the idiotic Slavery the Video game etc.  I know that there are wack job groups out there that make whtie power games and the like and they are routinely bashed and held up as pariahs.  Wondering how blatant the hypocrisy will be concerning this one :)


  severius

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9/09/11 5:25:48 PM#40
Originally posted by Icewhite

I don't see it as much different from the borderline libelous flash movies that appear in every campaign.

Depends, this one is touting the fact that you can go into this game and perform acts of murder against virtual representations of actual people (Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin etc).  If there were a game for shooting Obama, Pelosi and the like how quick would the condemnations come?  And if someone will tolerate virtual violence against people that they do not agree with, then they must tolerate virtual violence against people with whom they do agree with.  Tell me, would it be acceptable if those targets were your mom or your dad?  Not sure about Rush but pretty sure that Beck has a couple kids and everyone knows about the Palin kids lol.

If you equivocate because of ideology then perhaps the ideology you equivocate for is not as sound as one might believe?  A sound ideology doesnt need to rely on the failures of another for its own successes, if that makes sense.

Personally, I believe that freedom of speech protects this, just as it does other vile and disgusting things.  My issue comes when one wants to condemn one thing while defending the same.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with libel.  Nothing whatsoever.  Libel involves misrepresenting another in a damaging way.  My coming out and saying that person A is a heroin addict and pedophile, publishing it and having it cause damage to that person's character etc.  This does have to do with the advocating of violence against real people and using that as a selling point. 


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