Well, I can't same I'm not disappointed. I had really hoped SOE would stick with the Subscription model to keep the riff-raff out.

As it is now, Since I'm paying $15 a month for PS1, I'll give PS2 a try at that same rate, but if it becomes anymore expensive than that or if the F2P losers start clogging up the servers with fail, then I'll just go back to PS1 until SOE takes the last server down.

Oh, and WoT is SOOOO P2W. The very fact that the sell you special ammo should be your first clue.

My guess would be that they will limit the battle rank you can obtain on a FTP account, and maybe make some certifications only available if you subscribe.

Really don't want to see a cash shop that improves your character.  Hopefully it's just subscribe / no subscribe and maybe a cash shop for cosmetic things.

Aw heck...there goes another one off the list.

On the other hand...maybe this will allow me to play without giving SOE a dime. Anything that results in companies like SOE not getting a dime of my money can't be all bad ;)

Frankly I love FTP. we are in a tight money situation and this makes some  games possible that would not be possible to play. Frankly after some FTP  if i liked the game I'll invest.....but not till I've had time with the game.

I assume you will be limited just so more players can be part of the battles, sure they will basically be grunts, but the game needs them to be successful. 

I like reading the current responses for the game,

hell my fanboy is showing, why not:

im very curious to  see how SOE holds on to the traditional philosophy of Planetside while using this model.

only sure way to find out is when beta and launch arrives, which is a long way from now.

so a double post and a  off-topic comment that comes from the translation/link above:

2000 players?...... really? 2000 live players?  cmon Smed quit smokin the caine. 

Too bad....free-to-play...I stay away.

at this point FTP is probably the best thing SOE can do right now. they have burnt so many bridges with the players that most people wont even try a game of theirs unless its a free trial or somthing first.

who in their right minds wants to buy a pay a monthly sub for a SOE game these days? not many people.

Well there went my hopes for this game.

FPS and F2P doesn't mix, because as some others have noted it becomes P2W.  And we are talking about SOE here: they will bungle it horribly and tell the players to go screw themselves the second they get any negative feedback.

I see people saying things like oh its not expensive to pay for things while others say it is. Either way its money that needs to be spent and for those of use who are in rather poor families money is not something we can simply dish out. If your rich hell great for you but we would like to play to end game without having to dish out cash for great items. I dont mind having to work the extra hours to earn the gear you can pay for because mommy and daddy can afford it. Anyways just saying some of us need to have the ability to earn those same items through work cause if its only available in the cash shop then gaming companies are just stealing.

Smedley likes F2P. Smedley started liking F2P while he was into PvE where it (might, could, may) make sense. Smedley is not really knowing of what he's talking about. Smedley is a nice guy and has a nice smile but Smedley really doesn't know where it's at. Maybe somebody put stop to Smedley. Someone who has money invested. Is SOE really that altruistic? What is the leverage this Smedley guy has over Sony entertainment investors? I mean, this guy is costing investors MILLIONS. What's his angle? Does he have kinky negatives in a Swiss vault or something?

B2P is F2P and vis versa, i hate how ppl hate on the ftp. You get to try a game before you put any money down. No games are free. This is the real world ppl, if you like it, buy it

Originally posted by voltt

B2P is F2P and vis versa, i hate how ppl hate on the ftp. You get to try a game before you put any money down. No games are free. This is the real world ppl, if you like it, buy it

So you make a trial and then B2P option. Presto. Like in the old days. Fair and square.

But oh no... Old Smedley likes F2P... He likes the soft touch. He wants to draw you in slowly...

/out of dripping sarcasm mode: Yeah, I'd give ol' Smed 50$ to play "his"* game fairly. But I'm not gunna give him one bloody cent for the beggary pathetic creepy travesty that is f2p.

Oh and btw I play TF2. It's fantastic. Best online FPS Ive played in years. Shame about the creepy pathetic money shop tho. I'd give'em the money if they asked fairly. I hate being conned into anything and f2p model is just a con. It's disgraceful.

*"his" - jeezus THE most reactionary game producer alive. The conformist. The clueless "I just wanna fit in, what's sellin this season" guy" is now into 3-faction Pvp. Makes me puke. Why doesn't he finally f***k off, grow balls and starts doing whatever it's his real calling because game design surely isn't. (Write a novel? Have a life-changing trip to Cambodia?) I'll bet a million bucks he actually hates games and gamers. Just move on buddy, just move on.

Originally posted by Naral

Free to play in any sort of FPS style game seems to always mean P2W. Which is unfortunate.

World of Tanks is like that. In order to get anywhere near the end, you really need to spend money. If that amount of money were somewhere near the usual $15 a month, I would be good with that. But folks drop a LOT more than that, and in order to really participate at the high end, it becomes the same issue.

I would much rather have a pay to play situation...oh well.  I also dont mind Free to play with a subsctiption option like LotRO, that way both styles are catered to.

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1- there are several players I know in teir X tanks on WoT that have never spent a dime on the game and yet still use gold ammo in clan wars & regularly win matches.

2- there are ways to get gold (cash currency) in game that dont have anything to do with spending real life cash

3- there is virtually nothing you can get with $$$ that can't be gotten without using $$$ (no cash-only items)

4-gold items offer minor advantages at best, but do not bork the competition.

That pretty much busts the comment that WoT is P2W. Yes, there are players hoarding or buying gold and running gold ammo/consumables/ect in every fight that can be a bit annoying. However, those people Can and Do get killed.

What I have heard from P2 is that cash items will be, like, individualized looks for your clan, ect.

 The F2P = P2W rant is getting a little tired and old. Yes, some games are like that but IMHO its less and less becoming P2W and more & more becoming P2 look cool, get to the end quicker, ect.

 In summation, as long as a "pay" option only allows things that can be gotten without cash, does not bring huge advantages, and does not upset the balance of the game.. it is NOT P2W.

my2cents

Originally posted by veratutazz

Originally posted by Naral

Free to play in any sort of FPS style game seems to always mean P2W. Which is unfortunate.

World of Tanks is like that. In order to get anywhere near the end, you really need to spend money. If that amount of money were somewhere near the usual $15 a month, I would be good with that. But folks drop a LOT more than that, and in order to really participate at the high end, it becomes the same issue.

I would much rather have a pay to play situation...oh well.  I also dont mind Free to play with a subsctiption option like LotRO, that way both styles are catered to.

 

    This comment is fail and highlights the integral misunderstanding IMHO of the current F2P w cash shop field.

1- there are several players I know in teir X tanks on WoT that have never spent a dime on the game and yet still use gold ammo in clan wars & regularly win matches.

2- there are ways to get gold (cash currency) in game that dont have anything to do with spending real life cash

3- there is virtually nothing you can get with $$$ that can't be gotten without using $$$ (no cash-only items)

4-gold items offer minor advantages at best, but do not bork the competition.

That pretty much busts the comment that WoT is P2W. Yes, there are players hoarding or buying gold and running gold ammo/consumables/ect in every fight that can be a bit annoying. However, those people Can and Do get killed.

What I have heard from P2 is that cash items will be, like, individualized looks for your clan, ect.

 

 The F2P = P2W rant is getting a little tired and old. Yes, some games are like that but IMHO its less and less becoming P2W and more & more becoming P2 look cool, get to the end quicker, ect.

 

 In summation, as long as a "pay" option only allows things that can be gotten without cash, does not bring huge advantages, and does not upset the balance of the game.. it is NOT P2W.

 

my2cents

 

It's not really about the money. What's 50$ ?  Or 15/month? Its nothing.

Folks want value for their money and in services (and that's what games have become) "value" translates into "respect". F2P (or to be precise P2W) is going totally against this psychology. "You're free to come into my restaurant and watch other people eat. You might eat as well but we'll shit into your plate ocassionally, unless you pay." is not the right psychological model to set up your service-based business. Jeez.. In my games I want to feel homey, I don't want to be in a "pay up or shut up" situation at the place i'm relaxin. It's just wrong.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by jedi_night

Originally posted by Naral

Free to play in any sort of FPS style game seems to always mean P2W. Which is unfortunate.

World of Tanks is like that. In order to get anywhere near the end, you really need to spend money. If that amount of money were somewhere near the usual $15 a month, I would be good with that. But folks drop a LOT more than that, and in order to really participate at the high end, it becomes the same issue.

I would much rather have a pay to play situation...oh well.  I also dont mind Free to play with a subsctiption option like LotRO, that way both styles are catered to.

 

Actually, as far as WoT is concerned...you don't have to spend that much.  To turn your account into premium for 1 month of game time is the standard fare of 14.99.  This gives you enough gold to purchase 30 days of premium, and STILL have 500 gold left over for things such as gold ammo, purchasing garage slots, transfering xp from elited tanks or just saving over a few months to get something bigger.  None of which is needed to play succesfully.  Other then that, as premium, I make MORE then enough money and xp playing.  You could do without it, and yes..it would be harder.  But not in game.  The tanks aren't changed any by going premium.  You simply get more money and more xp.  So if you were playing NON premium...the grind for xp would take longer...and you would have to play more of your tier 4-6 tanks to fund your 9s and 10s, as you make more money on the lower tiers.  But it IS doable for 100% free.  And you don't need to spend more then 15 a month to get anywhere if you wanted.

Sorry but I really had a good laugh at your attempt to portray WoT as inexpensive when it is the exact opposite.  If you want to play the end game of WoT cash is needed and lots of it.  

As to planetside, we will just have to wait and see how they structure the cash shop, but in pvp games like this it is almost impossible not to include pay to win features in the cash shop.

  I can name several examples of clan mates that have spent zero cash in the game and can field fully loaded Teir 10 tanks into clan fights WITH gold ammo and WITH gold consumables.

 To be fair, I also know of clannies that have dumped hundreds into the game.... but that is their choice, isn't it? Their end result is in no way overpowered or any any way different than the "freebie" clanners mentioned above.

 ..next..

Originally posted by Garkan

No need to be so negative, hackers and cheaters wont be a problem because SOEs security department will have it all under control......

Lawl

Edit; I also like to state. I dont mind f2p game. It just in an mmo FPS. there more incentive for hackers than say TF2.

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by voltt

B2P is F2P and vis versa, i hate how ppl hate on the ftp. You get to try a game before you put any money down. No games are free. This is the real world ppl, if you like it, buy it

So you make a trial and then B2P option. Presto. Like in the old days. Fair and square.

But oh no... Old Smedley likes F2P... He likes the soft touch. He wants to draw you in slowly...

I shuddered at the second line; it makes Smedley sound like a child molester sitting in his car offering neighborhood kids chocolate.