Originally posted by bamminc

It appears that previously having registering for the forums or the newsletter with your email address entered you into the beta pool, the Facebook app Secret War is a way to market the game and the reward is in game stuff and "guaranteed beta access during some phase, not first or last".  I fast forward through commercials on my dvr, I will fast forward through this commercial too.  It's greedy business, but it's still only business.

 

There will be multiple beta phases. 

Those who followed the arg since beginning most likely will get in earlier. Then youhave hte lucky ones with beta keys from forum activities, PAX attendees, AOC-promotion beta testers, random beta pool from everyone signed up and secret war participants. every group will most likely get in during different beta access points.

secret war is also part of games lore(there's both arg reason for the delay and arg reason on why it uses facebook), offers 100% chance to get in the beta, other in game goodies and a possibility of a trip to montreal.

have chanse to get beta key =

http://www.darkdemonscrygaia.com/showthread.php?t=21157

Originally posted by lakoka

Don't worry, I gave em my informations, and when the game will get out, I will even give them where I live and my credit card! No jokes!

 

This.  Beauty.

What better advertisement (free, I might add) for gaming companies?  Word of mouth, proof that other players are planning to play... Gaming companies also know that if you play solo, you will likely play the game 'less' and for a shorter amount of time.  If you are a member of a guild or group of players (community) you will play for longer (pay/subscribe) for longer.

Personally, no, I don't want everyone in the free world knowing that I will be playing which games.  Sorry... I just don't.  I don't need some random ass person knowing that I'm xxxxxx xxxxxx, work for xxxxxxxxx, and live here.... and play this and other games.

"Hey, gold-farmers.. check me out! I play all of these games! Please spam me and feel free to use this as yet another tool to contact me about my account and try to hack me and get the rest of my information! YOU ARE WELCOME!"

It's one thing for the gaming company to be able to connect the dots. I don't need the mouth-breathing, window-licking stalkers doing the same.

No thanks.

Let us pay to play your game.

Don't use us or our information. 

Originally posted by jdlamson75

Originally posted by lakoka

Don't worry, I gave em my informations, and when the game will get out, I will even give them where I live and my credit card! No jokes!

 

This.  Beauty.

There is a difference between giving them your Credit Card information as payment option and giving them a free lifetime pass to all your personal information, interests, friends and activities.

Creating a profile about you for advertisement with this kind of access to your activities and your friends activities is a easy. Information like that is worth a lot of money.

Of cause, you can use a fake account. I was merely pointing it out for the less computer savyy.

It's the fact that they try to get to this information using the promise of guaranteed beta access makes it shady business behaviour.

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by jdlamson75

Originally posted by lakoka

Don't worry, I gave em my informations, and when the game will get out, I will even give them where I live and my credit card! No jokes!

 

This.  Beauty.

There is a difference between giving them your Credit Card information as payment option and giving them a free lifetime pass to all your personal information, interests, friends and activities.

Creating a profile about you for advertisement with this kind of access to your activities and your friends activities is a easy. Information like that is worth a lot of money.

Of cause, you can use a fake account. I was merely pointing it out for the less computer savyy.

It's the fact that they try to get to this information using the promise of guaranteed beta access makes it shady business behaviour.

And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it? when you use your credit card for playing game you give your personal info anyways, the only difference is that on facebook you have your pictures and friends linked to your account.

If you have a facebook account you have already compromised your personal information  whther you share it with Funcom or not and if you don't have a facebook account making a dummy one wouldn' hurt you in any way.

Originally posted by Supersoups

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by jdlamson75

Originally posted by lakoka

Don't worry, I gave em my informations, and when the game will get out, I will even give them where I live and my credit card! No jokes!

 

This.  Beauty.

There is a difference between giving them your Credit Card information as payment option and giving them a free lifetime pass to all your personal information, interests, friends and activities.

Creating a profile about you for advertisement with this kind of access to your activities and your friends activities is a easy. Information like that is worth a lot of money.

Of cause, you can use a fake account. I was merely pointing it out for the less computer savyy.

It's the fact that they try to get to this information using the promise of guaranteed beta access makes it shady business behaviour.

And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it? when you use your credit card for playing game you give your personal info anyways, the only difference is that on facebook you have your pictures and friends linked to your account.

If you have a facebook account you have already compromised your personal information  whther you share it with Funcom or not and if you don't have a facebook account making a dummy one wouldn' hurt you in any way.

And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it?

It is worth around $1 per unique user.

And yet YOU fail to explain why they even need that kind of access in the first place. Certainly not for this ARG crap. I know NO other facebook game or application that requests information that detailed. Please do enlighten me why they need it?

Since a large portion of this game will happen outside of the videogame (ie in the real world), I wouldn't be surprised if a facebook account will be required to play the game after it's released.

Originally posted by taus01

 

 

And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it?

It is worth around $1 per unique user.

And yet YOU fail to explain why they even need that kind of access in the first place. Certainly not for this ARG crap. I know NO other facebook game or application that requests information that detailed. Please do enlighten me why they need it?

 YOU do not give any logical reason either as to WHY they need FULL ACCESS to our FB accounts!

For these kind of promotions they DO NOT NEED full access to your FB account!

So WHY do they request it? WHY do they want FULL ACCESS to our FB accounts?

EDIT: I meant the person above you ofcourse (the one you quoted!).

Originally posted by taus01

And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it?

It is worth around $1 per unique user.

And yet YOU fail to explain why they even need that kind of access in the first place. Certainly not for this ARG crap. I know NO other facebook game or application that requests information that detailed. Please do enlighten me why they need it?

I think now youare just doing it on purpose, selective reading and all. my FB account has no home address, no phone numbers, even my email address i used to register is not my main

All i have is my name and my city and few stoner friends from college in friends list. So you see i am not giving out any personal info to Funcom. So what do they have access to exactly? 

it is up to you what you want to reveal on FB and you can register to it like any other normal site with an email address. That is it, no personal info required.

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Originally posted by Supersoups

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Originally posted by taus01

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And yet you can't give one logical reason why it makes shady? why would Funcom sell your personal info? what will they possibly gain out of it?

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It is worth around $1 per unique user.
And yet YOU fail to explain why they even need that kind of access in the first place. Certainly not for this ARG crap. I know NO other facebook game or application that requests information that detailed. Please do enlighten me why they need it?

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I think now youare just doing it on purpose, selective reading and all. my FB account has no home address, no phone numbers, even my email address i used to register is not my main
All i have is my name and my city and few stoner friends from college in friends list. So you see i am not giving out any personal info to Funcom. So what do they have access to exactly? 
it is up to you what you want to reveal on FB and you can register to it like any other normal site with an email address. That is it, no personal info required.

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Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I just made a "Dummy" FB account to sign up. They didn't get CRAP from me, and I was able to sign up for beta :)! Aren't I a smarty :D?

 

nope you are not. with their beacons ("i like" button) and smart synching they eventually link your real identity with your fake one. and your "friends" do the rest. the more information around you is public the closer anyone can get to the real one.

1.5 years ago I bought an 1 years sub for conan, that package included closed beta for the secret world... As normal Funcom sold stuff and did NOT deliver yet. And now every1 can join!

Screw you Funcom!!!!!!

facebook just allows more ARG stuff to happen prior to release

http://crygaia.net/wiki/Council_of_Venice_systems_malfunction

The secret war has begun.

believe everything - believe nothing

OH and now u dont need facebook to sign up to beta -

all these people excuse the term mods but all these people bitching about needing FB to sign up have never even seen the front page of TSW website because on the left it says use facebook to sign up for beta but to the right in the exact amount of space is says you dont need FB to sign up for beta. for those to lazy to look two inches to the right here is the link https://register.funcom.com/signup/ctrl/register/us/tsw/TSW-BETA1 so would you people please get the hell over it.

first of all its facebook that rquires all information as thats the standard thing for facebook games, second you dont have to use or take part of the facebook game to enter the beta, but your chances of getting in will be better and third, when its coming out you WILL be giving them more info tha fabeook requires + your visa number :P as in facebook only info i have there is my name age city and some pictures, where as on mmo´s you give out visa, street adress full name and more 

Sorry, Funcom, but Facebook is BS, and by association, so are you. For as long as you maintain this connection to the most popular (and broken) social network, I ban you and your products from my life. Keep your secrets, they're obviously not worth knowing.

Originally posted by Xzen

Dragon

Just think Bruce Leee for that faction...that's as deep as Funcom usually get.

Wow....

This like, sad and disappointing on a really cyber level....

I have been looking forward to the game, at least to try out. LOVE the storyline idea, the conspiracies and legends.  VERY cool imho.

But, a Facebook account?  I'm sorry, but lame.  There is a large chunk of the billions of people in this world not to sell out to something like a social site.  Believe it or not, we make a living and willing to spend well earned dollars on a games.

Sadly, it looks like funcom is going to miss out on the money, all because of facebook.

Hope it is worth it.  I know I am not the only person opting out due to the facebook requirement.

Best of luck with the beta.