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  Nifa

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9/06/11 12:20:19 AM#61
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by MMOExposed

another question. what makes the Skywalkers so powerful compared to other Jedi knights? I mean, why they so special?

Im surprised noone knows the answer to this. While it wasn't my favorite of the movies, this was explained in The Phantom Menace. The explaination is kind of weak, but it's basically this:

They have an insanely high metachlorian count. However, the 'first' three movies were pretty awful; so I'm not sure if this was ever woven into the full star wars universe, or if it stayed as something lucas just slapped into a film last minute in an attempt to explain the very question you asked.

Oh for the love of...

/begin Star Wars canon nerdiness

Yes, the Skywalkers have an insanely high midichlorian count, making them stronger/more powerful in the Force than the vast majority of Jedi. But the lore reason for this is that Anakin Skywalker's mother claimed that Anakin had no father - she could not explain how she conceived him (As stated in the quoted post, explained in the Phantom Menace). There were some jedi, Qui-Gon Jinn included, who believed that he was the fulfillment of a prophecy and the "chosen one," meant to "bring balance to the Force" and that he was, in fact, conceived by the Force itself. (He did bring balance to the Force, just not in the way they thought he would. He became Darth Vader. Two Sith - him and old Palps, two Jedi - Yoda and Obi Wan, remained until Luke was trained. Perfect balance.)

Others believed his birth was an experiment in immortality by Palpatine's Sith Master, Plagueis.

Either way - Force conception or genetic mutation, the genetic line has a midichlorian count so high it cannot be registered.

Getting into the EU, there may be two Skywalker descendants who may turn out to be more powerful in the end than Luke: his son (whose mother was a pretty powerful Jedi in her own right) and Leia's granddaughter, who as a small child was doing stuff instinctively that some Jedi knights had to work hard at.

/end Star Wars canon nerdiness

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  Puremallace

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9/06/11 12:23:12 AM#62
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

The reason should be obvious and if you think about it you will know why.

  hcoelho

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9/06/11 12:32:25 AM#63
Originally posted by DarkPony

Yes.

Your older Sign's image was funnier, imo.

  Adamai

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9/06/11 5:34:02 AM#64
Originally posted by OSF8759
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

You've not provided any support for your assertion.

Does he really have to, you dont have to be smart to understand what he's saying..

 

starwars came out in the 1970's with episode 4 right!    ok then they did 5 and 6 all with very similar technology in the film so great it all ties in nicely.. then they release phantom menace in the 90's and for some odd ball reason the tech is much much more advanced  and only about 50 years before episode 4,5,6.  now swtor on the other hand is what 3000 years before the happening of phantom menace or how ever long it was and yet the tech is the same..  shouldnt they be walking round unshaven grunting at one another trying to club seals to death!!

 

look how far humans have come in a few thousand years :) we have gone from eating each other and dodging dinosaurs to wanting to meet new people make friends and having holidays abroad useing aircraft to get there.

 

  GMan3

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9/06/11 6:09:01 AM#65
Originally posted by Adamai
Originally posted by OSF8759
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

You've not provided any support for your assertion.

Does he really have to, you dont have to be smart to understand what he's saying..

 starwars came out in the 1970's with episode 4 right!    ok then they did 5 and 6 all with very similar technology in the film so great it all ties in nicely.. then they release phantom menace in the 90's and for some odd ball reason the tech is much much more advanced  and only about 50 years before episode 4,5,6.  now swtor on the other hand is what 3000 years before the happening of phantom menace or how ever long it was and yet the tech is the same..  shouldnt they be walking round unshaven grunting at one another trying to club seals to death!!

 look how far humans have come in a few thousand years :) we have gone from eating each other and dodging dinosaurs to wanting to meet new people make friends and having holidays abroad useing aircraft to get there. 

     It might have something to do with a galaxy wide civil war destroying a lot of things that need to then be fixed/replaced over the 20 year interval between the two sets of movies.  It could also have something to do with commiting genocide against anyone with Force Sensitivity that pushed them back.  OR it could be that between the two sets of movies there is a VAST improvement in cinematic technology and rather than making the new trilogu look like it was already a few decades old, Lucas decided to go a different route and let US deal with this kind of question while he just made movies.

    As for why SWTOR looks similar to the original trilogy tech wise.  It's been answered already.  Go back and read the thread.

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  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
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9/06/11 6:19:41 AM#66
Originally posted by Saerain

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

We're talking about an interstellar civilization, here. Trillions of people across an entire galaxy, at least hundreds of inhabited planets with their own R&D. Even under the most totalitarian governments this galaxy has seen, science and technology haven't been nearly so centralized as they were in Earth's ancient history. Managing to make it so would be a logistical nightmare of literally astronomical proportions..

It is still possible. Around 1500 were 2 large empires the most scientific advanced and largest cultures on earth: China and the Ottoman empire. And yet Europe passed them by in a few years...

The Ottomans slowly got the idea that technology and science were against god. Religion put them back a thousand years, that could happen in Star wars as well, particularly the Siths could do something like that.

China on the other hand turned inside and cut off their contacts with the rest of the world. The forbid a lot of technology, like ships with 3 masts and more... Politics can bring an empire on it's knees.

Civil war. politics and religion could together slowly have brought the galaxy far far away back to the stone ages.

  Teilo

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Joined: 8/17/07
Posts: 290

9/06/11 6:29:00 AM#67
Originally posted by Adamai
Originally posted by OSF8759
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

You've not provided any support for your assertion.

Does he really have to, you dont have to be smart to understand what he's saying..

 

starwars came out in the 1970's with episode 4 right!    ok then they did 5 and 6 all with very similar technology in the film so great it all ties in nicely.. then they release phantom menace in the 90's and for some odd ball reason the tech is much much more advanced  and only about 50 years before episode 4,5,6.  now swtor on the other hand is what 3000 years before the happening of phantom menace or how ever long it was and yet the tech is the same..  shouldnt they be walking round unshaven grunting at one another trying to club seals to death!!

 

look how far humans have come in a few thousand years :) we have gone from eating each other and dodging dinosaurs to wanting to meet new people make friends and having holidays abroad useing aircraft to get there.

 

Which particular tech was more advanced in the prequels? The ships? The weapons? Remember that the original trilogy was mainly focussed on a backwater planet and a rebel army - neither of which is going to showcase cutting edge technology: in fact they were probably using stuff that predated the time period of the first 3 movies, whereas episodes 1 - 3 focused mainly on rich high-tech worlds & government funded armies.

The bits you could probably compare are the Trade Federation's tech and the later Empire's tech; I'll take the Star Destroyers and Death Star over the Trade federations battle stations any day.

  Britas

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Joined: 9/03/11
Posts: 49

9/06/11 6:29:38 AM#68

Lets be honest, the lore reasons for this 'stagnation' for over three thousand years are flimsey at best, only fans defending the IP no matter will argue for it it. It's ridiculous to everyone else, and rightly so.

The only reason really that the tech has stayed so similiar is a need for two things- the need for a period of history that is far enough away from the widely recognised period SW the masses know to give BW room to tell their own stories and the need, despite this, to keep it looking like the SW the masses already know.

 

  Britas

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Posts: 49

9/06/11 6:31:57 AM#69
Originally posted by Teilo
Originally posted by Adamai
Originally posted by OSF8759
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

You've not provided any support for your assertion.

Does he really have to, you dont have to be smart to understand what he's saying..

 

starwars came out in the 1970's with episode 4 right!    ok then they did 5 and 6 all with very similar technology in the film so great it all ties in nicely.. then they release phantom menace in the 90's and for some odd ball reason the tech is much much more advanced  and only about 50 years before episode 4,5,6.  now swtor on the other hand is what 3000 years before the happening of phantom menace or how ever long it was and yet the tech is the same..  shouldnt they be walking round unshaven grunting at one another trying to club seals to death!!

 

look how far humans have come in a few thousand years :) we have gone from eating each other and dodging dinosaurs to wanting to meet new people make friends and having holidays abroad useing aircraft to get there.

 

Which particular tech was more advanced in the prequels? The ships?

 

Well, R2D2 for one.

The reasons they gave for it having less functionality later on in a A New Hope onwards where laughable.

  shaunathan

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Joined: 4/11/05
Posts: 74

9/06/11 3:10:16 PM#70
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS
Originally posted by mrshroom89

Well here i am watching the movies as we speak (type?) and i just watched a giant floating man made planet thing blow up an entire planet with one blast... yeaaaa missed that part in the new  series, there wasnt anything close to that firepower, stagnant? i think not.

 

 

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force. 

Even then the force is crap in the world of Star Wars superweapons.  

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Superweapon

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