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Originally posted by BadSpock
So get your own video game industry?
Hey, at least you have CCP and some French MMO dev studio I can't remember the name of... maybe the Dofus people right?
*edit*
Ankama - in France, developers of Dofus.

Originally posted by kelthius
Well Mr. Business man... Where is your multi-billion dollar gaming company?

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The us is not the only ones with a gaming industry but since you had to make fun of Europe, here are some facts about the Video game industry for you:

United States $18.58B

Europe $17.9B

Asia $14B

Surprisingly, Canada is #3 and the UK is #4 worldwide. Quite impressive if i may say so. You can find these number easily with a simple search.
@OP, I understand your frustration but you should maybe work on your presentation of the issue :)

Well you have it coming when you buy EA games.

Originally posted by Silverbarr

To be fair, SWTOR will most likely not be a great MMO and will most likely be carried by the names: Star Wars, and Bioware.

 

Sadly Bioware are starting to slip on the quality of their games since Neverwinter Nights (though I guess Dragon Age was 'fairly good' but still not up to the high standard I would have expected), and since teaming up with EA it can only really get worse.

 

Therefore, no EU players getting into the beta is just another notice that they don't make games for the players anymore and instead are doing it as a money maker for EA.

[Mod Edit]

 

Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.

So ... EU servers are still offline. So EU players willplay on US servers. Kinda sucks, but from perspective of devs workingon live game to bug hunt, makes sence.

So US players get invites, but EU do not. Offical statement on friday: Minor glitch in system. Should be fixed soon (tim). So bunch of us chill in forums. Feeling all giddy - will I be that special snow flake in Antartica that gets the invite. Fridays comes and goes. No offical response.

On saturday one of the staff makes a note that since its labour day on monday its highly unliekly we will get any kind of invites. Some nerd rage occurs, but it was mostly people asking for offical: "Sorry we didnt have time to send out invites. But bug should be fixed soon (tm ). EU players will get beta weekend keys on next batch that comes up this friday." Short and simple.

But what does BW / EA do on tuesday, first thing when they come to work ? Delete / Lock threads regarding EU beta weekend info. Start baning people that ask silly questions like - "Why was EU beta weekend thread locked ?"

Rest of us that didnt get ban, we get a warning that any and all posts regarding EU beta weekends will be closed and participants banned. Im sorry but if you sit down and think for a minute.

Im sure you would come up with a better solution then fire and brimstone approach. RA / BW took one very simple aproach - We will shut you up you pesky Euro fags. No pray to whatever God you hold dear that we dont pick Telia again as EU provider. Come US players, you dont want to consorte with likes of Europeans.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Silverbarr

To be fair, SWTOR will most likely not be a great MMO and will most likely be carried by the names: Star Wars, and Bioware.

 

Sadly Bioware are starting to slip on the quality of their games since Neverwinter Nights (though I guess Dragon Age was 'fairly good' but still not up to the high standard I would have expected), and since teaming up with EA it can only really get worse.

 

Therefore, no EU players getting into the beta is just another notice that they don't make games for the players anymore and instead are doing it as a money maker for EA.

 

Hope the US players have fun insulting all the EU folk though, sure makes you seem compassionate. ;)

 

M

Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.

Not particularly, as it is easier and cheaper for EA to sell a game in one region, especially a large region such as the US.

Different localisation, etc. costs an exceptional amount of money.

M

Originally posted by Paske

 

So ... EU servers are still offline. So EU players willplay on US servers. Kinda sucks, but from perspective of devs workingon live game to bug hunt, makes sence.

So US players get invites, but EU do not. Offical statement on friday: Minor glitch in system. Should be fixed soon (tim). So bunch of us chill in forums. Feeling all giddy - will I be that special snow flake in Antartica that gets the invite. Fridays comes and goes. No offical response.

On saturday one of the staff makes a note that since its labour day on monday its highly unliekly we will get any kind of invites. Some nerd rage occurs, but it was mostly people asking for offical: "Sorry we didnt have time to send out invites. But bug should be fixed soon (tm ). EU players will get beta weekend keys on next batch that comes up this friday." Short and simple.

But what does BW / EA do on tuesday, first thing when they come to work ? Delete / Lock threads regarding EU beta weekend info. Start baning people that ask silly questions like - "Why was EU beta weekend thread locked ?"

Rest of us that didnt get ban, we get a warning that any and all posts regarding EU beta weekends will be closed and participants banned. Im sorry but if you sit down and think for a minute.

Im sure you would come up with a better solution then fire and brimstone approach. RA / BW took one very simple aproach - We will shut you up you pesky Euro fags. No pray to whatever God you hold dear that we dont pick Telia again as EU provider. Come US players, you dont want to consorte with likes of Europeans.

 

They said politely not to create anymore threads and that they temporarily closed the main thread to remove the off-topic messages, and what does the people do? they start creating several more useless threads with questions that has already been answered.

I support the mods action of warning/banning people who cluster up the forum with useless threads and i'm from EU aswell.

Originally posted by Silverbarr

Originally posted by Distopia

 

Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.

Not particularly, as it is easier and cheaper for EA to sell a game in one region, especially a large region such as the US.

 

Different localisation, etc. costs an exceptional amount of money.

 

M

Oh I cometely disagree, if they were worried about cashing in I'd assume they'd spend that money there instead of putting it into the game, server costs are not that expensive for a company, if pure profit and not a quality product was priority one, they'd be far more focused on a global release. As they'd want to sell that bad product every where, otherwise the initial reaction would scare later markets off.

So the reason was that they logistically can't gather beta information back from the beta testers in the EU due to time difference? Seems like a decent enough reason to me.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Silverbarr

Originally posted by Distopia

 

Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.

Not particularly, as it is easier and cheaper for EA to sell a game in one region, especially a large region such as the US.

 

Different localisation, etc. costs an exceptional amount of money.

 

M

Oh I cometely disagree, if they were worried about cashing in I'd assume they'd spend that money there instead of putting it into the game, server costs are not that expensive for a company, if pure profit and not a quality product was priority one, they'd be far more focused on a global release. As they'd want to sell that bad product every where, otherwise the initial reaction would scare later markets off.

Possibly, I'm not exactly an expert and just have my own opinions from my own 'research' so I may possibly be wrong, but then again it is just my opinion and I don't expect anyone else to follow me in that. :)

M

Originally posted by calranthe

Beta is not a given, they do not owe you anything beta wise, it is NOT so you can "try it out" it is simply suposed to be stress and bug tests. You are not entitled to it and mentioning it in the same lines as gadafi or animal abuse is pathetic.

 

I am in the uk and have been signed up for beta since day one of it being available, personally I am happy to wait.

 

You are not a customer of theres yet they do not owe you anything you are acting selfrighteous indignant self opinionated.

Sure you are not american :P

Was I abit harsh ?

considering the following:

people have already pre-ordered (and presumably paid for) the game, so they ARE customers

MMO devs treat beta tests like demos, if they were really going to "test" the game then they would leave obvious bugs in the build intentionally and make players fill out forms every hour or so. why? because it lets you eliminate the people that want to treat it like a demo.

because it IS those players that ruin the games release.

1) When did getting into a BETA!!! become a human right? It is, after all, supposed to be testing and this early on it probably still is. If you are looking for the "we call it testing but it is really a promotion, Open Beta" that will probably happen closer to release.

2) People from the US might be more sympathetic if you didn't assume we were in on some mass conspiracy with Bioware, EA, the CIA, the NSA, the Teamsters, the Bilderberg Group and our alien allies to screw over Europe concerning a video game.

3) They are an American company after all. If they are going to have probably 1 cluster of beta servers and quite probably only 1 beta server until open beta, where do you think they will put that ONE beta server? When a Korean game has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a Norwegian company has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a US company has a beta I just hope I economy keeps running long enough for me to get in on it.

4) When speaking of EA, it would be more accurate to understand the situation, not so much in terms of who they are screwing over but who they are screwing over, more. We are all their customers after all. (and that by choice no less.)

Ya its not like EU gaming companies do it to US players...oh wait ya they do!

Black Prophecy Online

Maestia Online

Pristontale 2 online

YS online

Any Gamingo CB testing !.......................GET OVER IT!

Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.

BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.

But this became human rights debate.

Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.

Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...

Originally posted by Paske

Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.

 

BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.

 

But this became human rights debate.

Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.

Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...

Well, you  make such a post and start throwing national titles around and making one seem "bad", expect people to take some issue with it. As even one of your EU compatriots stated, while I can sympathize with your ordeal, your presentation needs work.

Originally posted by Paske

Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.

 

BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.

 

But this became human rights debate.

Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.

Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...

This is what has become of the internet. Just look at youtube comments. Even music videos turn into racial/political/religious debates. I'm sure everyone here is guilty of typing before they think. Thank the Mods for giving us the edit button.

I dont see much of a problem here. That they only want one EU testing thread is understandable, thats standard moderating on any forum to prevent having multiple threads about the exact same topic. Also, if they are not going to block ip's when the game is released, then there isnt really a problem imo.

As for blocking EU customers fror the beta. I cant think of any good reason for this. Timezone is a ridiculous argument for this. You can always give feedback through forum or with some games ingame during beta. This information doesnt disappear with time due to timezone. On the other hand, whats the big deal really if you are not allowed to participate in the first round? I can only imagine that its being annoying if you just want to play and its not about testing.

Im from the EU btw and agree that some companies (not just western companies, also asian companies when they start westernisation only in the US) put the EU in the backseat, but so far I dont see that problem with SWTOR.

a) yea BETA is not your right, but BETA is your favor to do free testing for developer (even if you dont submit anything you still test load etc.) so developer should not behave like a shit to his free testers

b) stop behave like stupid adicts and stop doing free beta testing, you can see if game is worth your money even without that.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Paske

Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.

 

BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.

 

But this became human rights debate.

Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.

Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...

Well, you  make such a post and start throwing national titles around and making one seem "bad", expect people to take some issue with it. As even one of your EU compatriots stated, while I can sympathize with your ordeal, your presentation needs work.

Anyone that played games for a while ( over 20 years in my case ), knows that US developers ussualy shun EU players / customers.

That doesnt mean I will go JIHAD ON US DEVS ! It means I will do only thing I can really. Complain on forums. It means nothing and changes nothing. But makes me feel better.

Perhaps my presentation does need work, but people need to stop looking "beyond what has been writen". This is a pub forum not words of Budha that need interpretation and years of study.

Originally posted by Paske
Well it seems we EU players are once again treated like third rate customers. I guess our money stinks, but its necesarry to make game avalible in EU as well because - thats what cool kids do ! YOu let neighbours kid that smells funny and talks funny play with you every now and then. Its not his fault, poor bastard ... Im naturaly talking about o beta weekend for EU. So we got vocal. Complained on forums ( go figure ) and demanded at least SOME info. Well monday was labour day in US. So devs were on prolonged weekend, during beta testing weekend no less. Makes sence I guess ... Tuesday comes and so do devs / admins. They simply delete all EU complaining threads. Ban people that ask, what gives with Gadafi treatment EA / BW ? Now we are forbiden to ask ANYTHING regarding beta or EU, Because we will get insta ban. Im use to being treated like second class citizen as EU customer to US companies. Like a dog that got beaten too man times and now hes simply induring it. But this is way too much. Its like fliping the bird to whole EU.

Not only EA, alas. In the gaming scene, we Euros are mostly treated as second best.

Im wondering why the EU beta testers have to play at the US servers.They supposed to test and the stability/perfomance of the EU servers right?