I think it's interesting, but people would be quiting right and left out of frusteration and therefore a bad ploy for the game.  It just wouldn't fly, but it is definately getting closer to how it should be.

Originally posted by Lynxeyed

Love how you guys went from pay per death to hourly rate. The idea behind Pay per death is not to die try very hard not to die. Id love pvp it would be great. If the game was amazing i could easly spend 100 bucks a month Id just hope whatever company did it rewarded the pvp with a portion of the cash.

The point is that paying per death is just as stupid of an idea as hourly rates used to be, and for the same exact reason.

Back in the early days of online gaming, hourly rates died when straight subs came along. These days, anyone who tried to charge players per death would see their CSR and Billing departments quit en masse and their players leave in droves. Why would anyone pay $1 every time they died when there are plenty of games out there which don't charge them at all?

Also, you're dreaming if you think the devs would share the money with you. ROFL. Not gonna happen. They'd need the money to make up for all the revenue they're going to lose when people leave their game in droves.

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by LisXia

 Right now, no online game is so superior as to maintain an hourly fee.  If the game comes a holy ultimate game is published and it beats all other games hands down, god forbids they start levying an hourly fee?  Who is to tell this won't happen.

There is a reason that hourly rates died over a decade ago, and they're not coming back. Ever. In fact, one of the innovations in the early MMOs like EverQuest was a set subscription fee. All you had to pay was $15 a month. No hourly fees, no outrageous bills for time spent online, etc. EQ was considered a bargain over previous games, especially the games on CompuServe and GEnie. You got months, if not years, of content and game time for one set price. 

Unless you do all your gaming at an internet cafe, most people will not pay an hourly rate, or a fee for each death in an MMO. I don't give a damn if it's a class-based theme park, a skill-based sandbox, PvP, PvE, or whatever. Not going to happen. As long as there are games out there that are free or close to free, or which have set subscription fee, very very few people are going to be stupid enough to pay by the hour or by the death. They'll just go to a cheaper game that they like instead.

Imagine this, in the market today with competition from monthly sub games and all these F2P games, there exist one superb game so good to enough gamers that they can maintain an hourly rate option, what does it mean?

Either that the hourly rate is very low, like those game cards, and hence cater to the very occasional casual gamer, using stored value cards

Or the hourly rate is high, but more than offset by a superb superb godly game.

Either way, it is ok for me.  Too bad we have yet to see a game fitting criterion 2.

Originally posted by LisXia

Imagine this, in the market today with competition from monthly sub games and all these F2P games, there exist one superb game so good to enough gamers that they can maintain an hourly rate option, what does it mean?

Either that the hourly rate is very low, like those game cards, and hence cater to the very occasional casual gamer, using stored value cards

Or the hourly rate is high, but more than offset by a superb superb godly game.

Either way, it is ok for me.  Too bad we have yet to see a game fitting criterion 2.

You're not getting it. The hourly rate isn't going to happen. Ever. I don't give a damn what kind of game you're talking about or how good this mythical, imaginary game would be. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

The biggest games in the world right now are either subscription based, or F2P with a cash shop. Hourly rates for an MMO died back when EverQuest launched. NO ONE is going to be stupid enough to pay by the hour anymore. They haven't done it since 1999, and they're not going to start doing it again now.

An MMO charging players real money for each death will never happen either, and for two reasons: 1) it's a f--king stupid idea on its face that would only be done if a developer deliberately wants their business to fail, and 2) because of all the F2P + cash shop games, and a B2P game like Guild Wars. Why in the hell would ANYONE be stupid enough to pay an extra fee for each death when they can just buy a copy of Guild Wars at their local game shop and never pay an extra dime no matter how many times they died?

Originally posted by Corehaven

So they charge you a buck for every time you die?  So no one would ever run challenging content because fear of death.  PvP would be non existant and completely unrewarding.  People would rage quit by the hundreds.  Or thousands. 

 

After a year the game would enjoy a wonderfully healthy population of 12 people.  Awesome. 

 This is different from the way FFA PVP sandboxes currently work?

As many posters before have said, if you include:

Free to Play

X Free Death every 24 hours, (Lets say you can revive 3 times for free every 24 hours, and the 24 hours countdown starts on your 4th death)

Able to select respawn points (to avoid corpse campers, or to escape from powerful monsters that you encountered by accident)

Discount Death for raid content (lets say you pay $0.25 per death in raids)

PVP arena that gives you $0.50 per win, and if you won the whole thing, you win the pot amount. (You still pay $1.00 if you die. The pot amount is $1.50 x Number of Players fighting)

And a auto-cap that gives you unlimited revive if you've spent X amount. (Say the cap is $15.00, and if you've spent that much, you get free revives until the end of the month)

Then yeah, it could work. The good thing about this is if you are used to spending $15.00 a month, it won't make a difference to you. If you don't play as much, you pay less for it. If you are extremely good at playing the game, you are rewarded for it. Its a no-lose situation for players who are used to the subscription model, and its a win-win situation for casual and pro players.

Originally posted by Lynxeyed

Love how you guys went from pay per death to hourly rate. The idea behind Pay per death is not to die try very hard not to die. Id love pvp it would be great. If the game was amazing i could easly spend 100 bucks a month Id just hope whatever company did it rewarded the pvp with a portion of the cash.

 In a game designed to get you killed, and the game MUST get you killed to survive, you will end up dieing as much as they think they can squeeze out of the player base. It's like F2P but worse.

How about games that are HARDER TO PLAY instead of keeping them easy and kicking people in the nuts for making a mistake?

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Lynxeyed

Love how you guys went from pay per death to hourly rate. The idea behind Pay per death is not to die try very hard not to die. Id love pvp it would be great. If the game was amazing i could easly spend 100 bucks a month Id just hope whatever company did it rewarded the pvp with a portion of the cash.

The point is that paying per death is just as stupid of an idea as hourly rates used to be, and for the same exact reason.

Back in the early days of online gaming, hourly rates died when straight subs came along. These days, anyone who tried to charge players per death would see their CSR and Billing departments quit en masse and their players leave in droves. Why would anyone pay $1 every time they died when there are plenty of games out there which don't charge them at all?

Also, you're dreaming if you think the devs would share the money with you. ROFL. Not gonna happen. They'd need the money to make up for all the revenue they're going to lose when people leave their game in droves.

hourly rate is the preferred business model  of the asian p2p market. and last time I checked, its several orders of magniteude bigger than the western market.

so you might wanna reword your post to include a wee bit of factual data and common sense...or not...

Originally posted by Sagasaint

hourly rate is the preferred business model  of the asian p2p market. and last time I checked, its several orders of magniteude bigger than the western market.

 

so you might wanna reword your post to include a wee bit of factual data and common sense...or not...

The Asian market, sure. Why? Because they have internet cafes, which never took off here in the States as a serious business model, and which is where most Asian gamers do their gaming.

So no, I'm not going to re-word a damn thing. Hourly rates don't work here in the United States. NO ONE is going to be stupid enough to pay an hourly rate to play an MMO, since nearly all gamers here in the States do their gaming at home. We don't even pay hourly rates for itnernet access anymore. Why would anyone here seriously pay hourly to play a game?

Originally posted by precious328

So you want player deaths to mean something, eh?

 

Scratch the monthly fee. Scratch the cash shops. It's time to load that account with 1UPs!

 

Can you imagine the change of behavior?

 

What would you say to the moron who trained a bunch of add-on mobs during the raid?

What would you say to the tank who refuses to hold aggro?

What would you say to the healer who went afk?

What would you say about the "Lost Connection" deaths?

What would you say to player who ganked you from the bushes?

What would you say to the player who opened the exploding chest?

 

IMAGINE

 Dude!  lmao that's fecken brilliant!  Anyone else reading this?   Though, doesn't that mean only rich folks will play?> lol

Humorous idea.  How about $1 per death up to a maximum of $15 per month like the current model.  That way if you're good or play it safe you can get off cheap...but if you're reckless you're still only paying $15 per month.  But you still get as many lives as you want.

This would be horrible because there are more losers than winners, always, in every game ever played, ... there are more losers..and less winners.

The gaming industry started to realise this with FPS like UT and Quake, after a while people got tired of being killed all the time, so they made lobbies with difficulty, there were clans, difficulty settings, etc.

WoW realised this too, so they made everyone winners.

This is the OPPOSITE, paying if you get killed is horrible, it would drive off players in droves, because each time another loser leaves, someone else takes it's place and leaves too.

The whole concept is flawed and destined to fail from the start.

You will need a max cap of say $20 a month or it will discourage people from even playing the game.

Originally posted by xKingdomx

You will need a max cap of say $20 a month or it will discourage people from even playing the game.

Except that would mean that a player has 20 lives per month in a game. Why would anyone deliberately play that game?

Pay X Company $20 a month to play an MMO where they have 20 lives for the entire month, or pay Blizzard, SOE, CCP, Square Enix, NCSoft, etc. $15 a month for unlimited lives? Pay money at all, or buy a copy of Guild Wars and have all the lives you need at no extra charge?

Paying per death will never work. There are too many options with set subscription fees or F2P models to make charging people for each death a recipe for instant failure.

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Originally posted by Korby
How about games that are HARDER TO PLAY instead of keeping them easy and kicking people in the nuts for making a mistake?

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Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by xKingdomx

You will need a max cap of say $20 a month or it will discourage people from even playing the game.

Except that would mean that a player has 20 lives per month in a game. Why would anyone deliberately play that game?

Pay X Company $20 a month to play an MMO where they have 20 lives for the entire month, or pay Blizzard, SOE, CCP, Square Enix, NCSoft, etc. $15 a month for unlimited lives? Pay money at all, or buy a copy of Guild Wars and have all the lives you need at no extra charge?

Paying per death will never work. There are too many options with set subscription fees or F2P models to make charging people for each death a recipe for instant failure.

I think what he means is you only pay $20 maximum per month but you still get as many 'lives' as you want.

lmao, i would stop playing at death # 10. never gonna work.

Just is needed see Allods die for use a system like this.
Is good idea, for the people will play more harder, but, i dont know you, but me play for fun, no for work, and that system looks more than a work, and more when the die, much times are for other mistake. And many times, who make the mistake survive. I think the best option is make a real death penalty like a FFXI.
In FFXI if you make some mistakes in many partys, you dont will be invited never more. This is good system, the problem start with the WoW auto-party system, for evade responsibility's to bad gamers, all can make mistakes but the problem with WoWs system is the people leaving games in boss encounters... and Rift copy this system...
I guess with SWToR will no have the same problem, or use vote system like Xbox live, but this system need much GMs work, for see if the votes are fake or real.

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by xKingdomx

You will need a max cap of say $20 a month or it will discourage people from even playing the game.

Except that would mean that a player has 20 lives per month in a game. Why would anyone deliberately play that game?

Pay X Company $20 a month to play an MMO where they have 20 lives for the entire month, or pay Blizzard, SOE, CCP, Square Enix, NCSoft, etc. $15 a month for unlimited lives? Pay money at all, or buy a copy of Guild Wars and have all the lives you need at no extra charge?

Paying per death will never work. There are too many options with set subscription fees or F2P models to make charging people for each death a recipe for instant failure.

I mean that at the end of the month, the company will charge you according to the number of your deaths, whatever the amount of death will be, adding up to a total, which total will cap at $20, or even just $15, so players know that by playing smarter, they can save themselves money. But then again, why would devs do this when most players are stupid and continously pumping $15 a month to them?