Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

Yeah but the population is getting better atm quite slowly but better then the other way :)

Originally posted by Kroimos

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

Yeah but the population is getting better atm quite slowly but better then the other way :)

 You know

I like vanguard and I support it with a subscription. Have been for little over a year even if I rarely play. It's still a gem. However not once during this year nor now, have I seen any increase. 5 - 6  months ago it had those exact numbers it's showing now.

It's wishful thinking. You may be in a guild that's seeing old members returning but they are offset by people leaving as well. The numbers are basically the same. To prove that point I'm going to continue bumping this thread with online numbers throughout september. After that you can continue claiming an increase with nobody counter arguing it. It won't be a fact though

One of the reasons I made this post to begin with is because, both on this board and in the game am I seeing new players being misled by the community just to get them to subscribe. I can't figure out if people are intentionally lying, ignorant or unrealistic optimists. I get that the VG comminuty really really want to see a flux of new blood to keep the game flowing but I also feel they ought to know exactly how "low" the population is since "low" is a relative term. If they come here for information then at least they subscribe informed. Not this "come back to VG the numbers are starting to boom" crap. It's misleading.

This isn't even a new thing. Last two years, posts have been popping up claiming a rise in numbers and although the numbers have never been as low as they are now. There hasn't been any significant rise of subscribers. It has spiked during free months but quicly settled back again.

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

So his guesstimate of 400+ at primetime is not even close because it's really about 400+ at primetime? What did I miss there?

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

So his guesstimate of 400+ at primetime is not even close because it's really about 400+ at primetime? What did I miss there?

 You are missing "saturday". There are primetimes during the rest of the weeks 6 days. Obviously saturday is not yesterday the post was made. Which was thursday. Ergo there wouldn't have been a couple of hundred more later that day, nor will there be today.

Primetime in VG is between 7 PM and 11 PM on a weekday

345 players online at 6 PM PST Friday evening

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Kroimos

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

Yeah but the population is getting better atm quite slowly but better then the other way :)

 You know

I like vanguard and I support it with a subscription. Have been for little over a year even if I rarely play. It's still a gem. However not once during this year nor now, have I seen any increase. 5 - 6  months ago it had those exact numbers it's showing now.

It's wishful thinking. You may be in a guild that's seeing old members returning but they are offset by people leaving as well. The numbers are basically the same. To prove that point I'm going to continue bumping this thread with online numbers throughout september. After that you can continue claiming an increase with nobody counter arguing it. It won't be a fact though

 

One of the reasons I made this post to begin with is because, both on this board and in the game am I seeing new players being misled by the community just to get them to subscribe. I can't figure out if people are intentionally lying, ignorant or unrealistic optimists. I get that the VG comminuty really really want to see a flux of new blood to keep the game flowing but I also feel they ought to know exactly how "low" the population is since "low" is a relative term. If they come here for information then at least they subscribe informed. Not this "come back to VG the numbers are starting to boom" crap. It's misleading.

This isn't even a new thing. Last two years, posts have been popping up claiming a rise in numbers and although the numbers have never been as low as they are now. There hasn't been any significant rise of subscribers. It has spiked during free months but quicly settled back again.

 bs before you hardly seen no one on now you see people all over

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Kroimos

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

Yeah but the population is getting better atm quite slowly but better then the other way :)

 You know

I like vanguard and I support it with a subscription. Have been for little over a year even if I rarely play. It's still a gem. However not once during this year nor now, have I seen any increase. 5 - 6  months ago it had those exact numbers it's showing now.

It's wishful thinking. You may be in a guild that's seeing old members returning but they are offset by people leaving as well. The numbers are basically the same. To prove that point I'm going to continue bumping this thread with online numbers throughout september. After that you can continue claiming an increase with nobody counter arguing it. It won't be a fact though

 

One of the reasons I made this post to begin with is because, both on this board and in the game am I seeing new players being misled by the community just to get them to subscribe. I can't figure out if people are intentionally lying, ignorant or unrealistic optimists. I get that the VG comminuty really really want to see a flux of new blood to keep the game flowing but I also feel they ought to know exactly how "low" the population is since "low" is a relative term. If they come here for information then at least they subscribe informed. Not this "come back to VG the numbers are starting to boom" crap. It's misleading.

This isn't even a new thing. Last two years, posts have been popping up claiming a rise in numbers and although the numbers have never been as low as they are now. There hasn't been any significant rise of subscribers. It has spiked during free months but quicly settled back again.

 bs before you hardly seen no one on now you see people all over

Not to sound like a troll or anything (because I really do like vg), but can you prove it with pics? Screenshots of people "all over" and post them here?

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Kroimos

Originally posted by Starpower

 

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Originally posted by itchmon
at 3pm eastern time US i got 256 online on telon, i figure when primetime hits yhere will be a couple hundred more?

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Not even close. You may get 400+ during primetime saturday. That's the only day of the week you get that many

Yeah but the population is getting better atm quite slowly but better then the other way :)

 You know

I like vanguard and I support it with a subscription. Have been for little over a year even if I rarely play. It's still a gem. However not once during this year nor now, have I seen any increase. 5 - 6  months ago it had those exact numbers it's showing now.

It's wishful thinking. You may be in a guild that's seeing old members returning but they are offset by people leaving as well. The numbers are basically the same. To prove that point I'm going to continue bumping this thread with online numbers throughout september. After that you can continue claiming an increase with nobody counter arguing it. It won't be a fact though

 

One of the reasons I made this post to begin with is because, both on this board and in the game am I seeing new players being misled by the community just to get them to subscribe. I can't figure out if people are intentionally lying, ignorant or unrealistic optimists. I get that the VG comminuty really really want to see a flux of new blood to keep the game flowing but I also feel they ought to know exactly how "low" the population is since "low" is a relative term. If they come here for information then at least they subscribe informed. Not this "come back to VG the numbers are starting to boom" crap. It's misleading.

This isn't even a new thing. Last two years, posts have been popping up claiming a rise in numbers and although the numbers have never been as low as they are now. There hasn't been any significant rise of subscribers. It has spiked during free months but quicly settled back again.

 bs before you hardly seen no one on now you see people all over

Hate to tell you this but numbers don't lie. Anyone is free to log on and do a '/who count all' if they think I'm full of bs. Including you.

Hate to be negative but the population count includes those with 45 days free play still, and there's no telling how many will subscribe when their 45 days free runs out.  Vanguard can see population increase by going free to play, but I bet Smed just does not want to waste money on VG anymore.  In order to make VG f2p, they would need to allocate programmers and designers to create cash shop items.  Free to play games function based on what ingame items/services they sell.  So it's not as easy as flipping the subscription model.

They'd need to design zones, items, potions, etc.. to entice people to purchase them.  Again all this take programming/dev/art time, and they probably don't have anybody to spare right now.  They're working on Planetside 2 and Everquest 3, both are large projects.  What SOE is really doing is to simply dangle players along in Vanguard, and hope that people wiill automatically switch to EQ3 when they launch it.  I mean VG was supposed to be the next generation EQ1 anyway, so SOE would probably want to create their own next generation EQ1.

Anyways, play Vanguard if you still have fun, and lower your expectations.  You'll be fine :)

I would also like to note that this http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/296255/Another-population-count-.html was from last year. The game doesn't even reach those numbers on fridays these days.

So no, the numbers are not going up. They are going down and have been consistantly so

     I have played just about everything out there and Vanguard really is a good game and I really hope more people will give it a legitimate try.  Sure, this will probably just hold me over until SWTOR, GW2 or Secret World, but it really is an enjoyable world to "live" in and "play" in.  I finally subsribed to it a few weeks ago after many trials over the years and I kick myself for not really embracing such a nice game.  If SOE would have continued supporting Vanguard over the years, I could see this truly being the best game on the market right now!  As it stands though, it is well worth a try.  Others, like myself, who are tired of all the BS out there, just might find themselves a competent place to hang their hats for a while!

The trend in this thread is numbers rising slowly. 

Does it harm anyone if players want their game to be successful no not really, did Vanguard deserve to fail when it launched yes, but do those people enjoying it for what it is now deserve to be ridiculed? no.

I used to hate what Vanguard stood for, I tried playing it and found that the character graphics sucked (sorry but they do, the world might look nice but the characters always looked to me like they were animated marrionettes) I found that there were a lot of little pesky bugs that stopped me upgrading from a trial to a full account.

But then i thought, you know what, EVERY MMO that is event slightly different to the others is a good thing, if a couple of thousand people enjoy it then good for them.  Every bit of content thats different to what other games do is a way in which a developer has tried something different and every bit of competition in the market is the one that has the potential to drive change and consumerism.

So now I am glad for games like Vanguard, even if I disagree with a lot of Sonys decisions I am glad for the game, I am glad for the cryptics and the Funcoms too.  Because even if they failed on so many levels with past releases each failure is a potential leasson to other developers and eventually some one will try something new and get it right.

Originally posted by gekkothegrey

Just play EQ2 already lol

Vanguard > EQ2

Originally posted by mangina

 If SOE would have continued supporting Vanguard over the years, I could see this truly being the best game on the market right now!  

Its a niche game and would always be a niche game.  SoE spent almost two years fully supporting VG post-sigil acquisition.  Greatly improved performance, squashed bugs, added content.  But the population dropped...and dropped...and dropped...The more they did, the less players they had even though people raved about the game and noted it was in far better shape than launch.

There comes a time when you have to cut your losses.  SoE (most likely) lost a ton of money trying to fix VG up.  Now they run it on life support because thats all the game can be afforded.

Originally posted by Kothoses

The trend in this thread is numbers rising slowly. 

 

No

The thrend in this thread is numbers taken over different days. It is obvious numbers are going to be higher when counted over the weekend.

That is the differential you are seeing in this thread

I may come back, if they really start putting time/money into the game, if not, it will just be a great game that was left to waste by SoE.

They had promised a relaunch, long ago, and it never happend, for whatever reason....So I will wait and see, I will not give my money, until I see though.

Originally posted by Xthos

I may come back, if they really start putting time/money into the game, if not, it will just be a great game that was left to waste by SoE.

 

They had promised a relaunch, long ago, and it never happend, for whatever reason....So I will wait and see, I will not give my money, until I see though.

Read my post above.  SoE invested a lot into the game.  The populations wasnt there and there is *zero* sign that it ever would be there.  The better the game got, the less people that played.

I honestly dont understand why not more people play Vanguard. To me, its a dream come true: a classic fantasy MMO done right, or the perfect PvE MMO. Yeah I still have many ideas what to do better. But all I really miss is meaningful PvP, like Lineage 2 castle sieges.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Xthos

I may come back, if they really start putting time/money into the game, if not, it will just be a great game that was left to waste by SoE.

 

They had promised a relaunch, long ago, and it never happend, for whatever reason....So I will wait and see, I will not give my money, until I see though.

Read my post above.  SoE invested a lot into the game.  The populations wasnt there and there is *zero* sign that it ever would be there.  The better the game got, the less people that played.

Vanguard SLOWLY got better over a very long period of time.  People left, because they gave up on SOE.  You keep making it sound like SOE was humming along with Vanguard and the game was in great condition, but for no logical reason people left.

During all of this time Vanguard was trying to charge the same exact 14.95 that other games were charging, but had no were close to the level of polish, expansion or developer support.  Is it any wonder why people left?   SOE didn't do enough, fast enough to turn the game around. 

I personally still think Vanguard could see a turn around, but it would require far more than SOE is willing to invest and I'm pretty certain Vanguard is on the bottom of SOEs to-do list. 

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Xthos

I may come back, if they really start putting time/money into the game, if not, it will just be a great game that was left to waste by SoE.

 

They had promised a relaunch, long ago, and it never happend, for whatever reason....So I will wait and see, I will not give my money, until I see though.

Read my post above.  SoE invested a lot into the game.  The populations wasnt there and there is *zero* sign that it ever would be there.  The better the game got, the less people that played.

SoE worked on the code, and the game, I played the game from the beginning, and for a long time.  When I played on a PvP server and SoE has their devs say they will not support PvP, and only work on PvE, until PvE is 'fixed'....I was wrong for leaving when people were fed up and left?  I am wrong for saying, 'show me'?

The game had a very bad launch, I had a brand new gaming computer and it was not that bad for me, so I didn't feel the sting that had so many people quit.  I got hit with the hitching and such, but not to the extent of most people...So I can not really say how bad it was for some.  It was bad enough that a ton of people quit due to the problems.

That is why SoE was saying that once they got things working better, and fixed things up, they would do a relaunch, they never did....So if you are correct, then what is SoE doing now with VG?  Why spend money now?  If their was *zero* sign then, it has to be less than *zero* now, since it is older, and people are not getting less fed up with the innaction over time.

If VG was so hopeless, why didn't they sell it?   True or Flase, they have been offered money for it multiple times, and they refuse to entertain offers, from accounts that I have read.  If true, why not unload it? 

VG is the last game I truely liked, I haven't liked a game as much since I left....  I am the customer, I gave them money for a long time, I gave them my 'hope' that they were going to do things they promised to do and continued to give them money when it looked like they weren't going to keep their word....  I like the game, but sorry...SHOW ME!  They used up my charity already.

I played EQ for too many years to count (bought every expansion, and the same for my wife), SWG, and VG....  I am not a SOE 'hater'...Even though I dislike often the direction they take their games and decisions they make.  I even look forward to EQ Next.....  I am just not going to resub to a game using my *hope*...If they don't share it.