Originally posted by Excalaber2

Originally posted by XxGrimmxX

Originally posted by SaintViktor

The RMAH is pretty much disguised as a monthy fee to play Diablo 3.  Lets say I play everyday and use the RMAH, for every item I put on the RMAH  Blizzard takes a fee for using the RMAH and a charge for selling an item. Lets just say from all the selling I did it came to a charge of $5.00 a week to use the RMAH. So after 4 weeks Blizzard made $20.00 a month off just 1 person. You can use you free transactions if you wish but Blizzard is still collecting a monthly fee wether it came from your pocket or not. They simply found a way to suck a monthly fee out of a non mmo.

You are looking at it as being a monthly fee, when actually it is a fee for using the RMAH. If you don't want to pay money then don't use the RMAH lmao. It's simple. Show me another MMO where I can pay 5 dollars to get back A LOT more than that by using their game. Quit trolling

Firstly, I disagree to those saying the OP is a troll.  Let me be completely honest here:

1) I actually never thought of the issue the the OP is talking about with RMAH.  I was too concerned with the other issues but never thought of this.  I doubt they would sneak things in and hide it...but I would NOT put it past them to one day have a "Special Holiday Event" where they put holiday-specific things in the auction house that you can buy directly from Blizzard.  I don't know if this will happen....but it's certainly a possibility if the broker fees aren't enough.

2) (See highlighted sentence above)  You are making an assumption on approximating the percentage Blizz will take.  We all have no idea what they are going to be releasing.  How do you know it won't be......50% even?  I think a lot of people are seriously having it in their mind that they are going to make really good money off of this game.  I have no data to prove this, but I highly doubt you will make money off of this game.  There are those who even think they will use this as a full time / part time job (not accusing the above poster of doing this).  Don't forget your $5 worth of broker fees are non refundable if your items don't sell!

1)I don't see them adding in holiday items into D3 as it would ruin the atmosphere. IT steps outside of what the game is.

2)No one knows the pricing structure of this yet so its hard to say anything about it. As for the comment about people looking to quit work to play D3 for a living, i've yet to see anyone with a logical arguement say this. Most of said it sounds like a good way to make a few bucks and eventually pay off their copy of the game. Don't count the people who were just fanning the flames of hate.

Originally posted by Aori

1)I don't see them adding in holiday items into D3 as it would ruin the atmosphere. IT steps outside of what the game is.

2)No one knows the pricing structure of this yet so its hard to say anything about it. As for the comment about people looking to quit work to play D3 for a living, i've yet to see anyone with a logical arguement say this. Most of said it sounds like a good way to make a few bucks and eventually pay off their copy of the game. Don't count the people who were just fanning the flames of hate.

1) Hmmm....maybe not holiday-based items....maybe something more tied in with the lore.  Maybe event triggered?  X Number of people have slain a certain boss or something.  Starting to sound more unlikely....I think I'm going to go back to my holiday idea and assume they will tie holidays to the lore like WoW.

2) Sorry I probably shouldn't have used the word "lots" until I had more numbers myself.  But I have seen several people who aren't necessarily going to quit their jobs....but they call this a valid source of income without any concrete details of how it will work and seem to want to "hold off" getting jobs.  Most of these people are likely teenagers and not people with real careers to begin with and plenty of time....but still.  If they want to get their hopes up that is fine.  Time will tell in how all of this turns out!

Definitely a tinfoil hat thread. =)

I think there will be so many of the same item type up on the AH that the prices will end up being a few cents... 

Then again i'm picturing a million people in one region using the same AH. Take all the AHs' in NA WoW and slam them together and watch the prices drop (not to mention there will probably be a ton more items in Diablo)

-I have not read this thread in its entirity but based on the Title, I agree.

This game is being set up as a covert Item $hop, but its actually even more sinister IMO.

Being developed from the ground up- With a real money auction house as the focal point (it is) the devs have adjusted the drop rates to be very , very miniscule for most high powered items. In fact, from what I understand, some drop rates are being set so as to keep a certain "quality" of Armor/weapons to be nearly impossible to get farming (very, very low drop rates)... It is known quite well that rare items will be MUCH rarer in this game than most other games to date- Since they make a % of real money, per transaction they have coded the game to ensure that there will be many rare and very high priced items- Its all in the coding.

Wheather of not they will place these rare items in the AH for 100% profit is yet to be seen, but its no conspiricy to look at the history of greed and see that things far more shady than this happen all the time in the buisness world.

We can argue the point all day but i assure you this is the truth and I will gladly necro this thread a few months into the games release.

i wouldn't put it past blizzard to throw "promotional/special event" items into the AH from time to time.

Haters gonna hate ;)

But I can play this game too. Let's take SWTOR - one of the highest hyped games atm. It's EA behind it(ya, I know that BW developes it) and they love profits like every big bad company does. Now the tinfoil hat part:

What if several EA employees set up starwarsgold.eu site and offer exactly same stuff like regular goldsellers does. Now they don't need to farm items(they can spawn them!), don't need pay for accounts. Now all they need are bots spamming chats/mails or even forums a bit. Then juts let the cash flow. Heck You can even "hack" few "customers" and then offer authenticators for 5$.

Originally posted by Salio69

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sldrop

If people think they can make money out of D3 RMAH they are DREAMING.

No way ANYONE can out farm a gold farmer and hacker/bot. ALL your items going to be under cut and won't SELL then you will lose money.

I don't know why people think RMAH is a good thing.

 

It goes both ways. Gold is worthless in Diablo so that market is dead. Since there are no respawns it's extremely unlikely you can write a bot to farm items, especially when 95% of the items are pure junk that have to be sorted and discarded. Then there's the fact that every Tom, Dick, and Harry will be selling things for a pittance. There's no big money in it for anyone except Actiblizz. This is why Blizzard won't be selling items. All the profit is in the brokerage fees.

blizzard and the people who run legions of bots will be the ones making money.  blizzard isnt doing to stop farmers. blizzard is doing it because they finally understand its impossible to stomp them out. now what they want is a piece of the action instead.

also the easiest bots to write are the ones who use colors. in otherwords, since blizzard loves color coding everything for everyone, the bots will simply ignore those grey/white items and pick up them blues/purple/yellow.

If everyone is botting items will be commonplace and worthless.  Blizzard makes money on items sold. Saturating the market reduces their profits.  What you say makes no sense.

What many are forgetting is that these items that are worth selling on RMAH first have to be found by a player and once found the player has to decide to

a. use the item

b. give the item to a friend

c. keep the item for an alt

d. break it down for mats

e. sell it on gold AH

f. sell it on RMAH

Let's not assume that everyone will flood the RMAH with any old drop.

As to to bot farming that wont be easier if at all possible due to the online requirement, bot's work in wow and other mmo's cus of the perdictable nature of the mobs and landcape, meaning virtual waypoints can be created and other stuff decided by reading colour values on the screen, as D3 has random dungeons and mob spawn it will be damn hard to write a bot that does not get picked up by 'Warden' as any good bot would need to read D3 memory space and warden will be watching.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Salio69

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sldrop
 

 

If everyone is botting items will be commonplace and worthless.  Blizzard makes money on items sold. Saturating the market reduces their profits.  What you say makes no sense.

Blizz take a nominal fee from the auctioned goods -whether it's sold or not.

So yea, it would be a wicked move from their side, but a profit reaping one.

So much whining, this is one of the greatest ideas in the history of online gaming and everyone is crying about it.  Who cares, because there are going to be millions of people like me who will buy this game, pay to use the RMAH and enjoy myself.  Would you rather be flooded with spam of item shops nonstop while you were playing?