I want to start my post by saying I'm primarily a Solo player, and always have been a solo player. 

Now, the fact that an MMORPG is catering towards group play should not come as a shock to anyone.  They are Multiplayer Online games afterall.  But, in the event that one of these developers decides they do want to cater to groups I believe they should provide players with a means to easily group up with people so that they dont spend most of their time waiting around.

This seems to be most commonly achieved by an LFG system but GW2 also has the system where you can just run up and help someone and all parties will recieve full credit for the kill.  

To whine about an MMO "shafting" the solo player is a bit immature in my opinion.  If you want to play solo either go play a single player game or go back to other solo friendly mmos such as WoW or Rift. (Among others).

I think your overlooking the fact that as a solo pvper you could have gear almost as good as the operations gear.  I plan to pvp hardcore so I can go into operations decked out :)

I have no issue at all with the best gear being in a raid. I only take issue ( I do not know if this is the case in TOR) when primary plot points resolve in a raid. I would rather that was solo or party size. Other than that...loot is loot, and it all gets outdated eventually.

Originally posted by Zulcatt

I think your overlooking the fact that as a solo pvper you could have gear almost as good as the operations gear.  I plan to pvp hardcore so I can go into operations decked out :)

I am pretty much done with raids (scheduling and drama). PvP is where I will be.

The solution is to learn to play with other players. Tired of hearing about how soloers get the shaft when almost 90% of the mmos out there are geared towards solo play. You can't have your cake and eat it to all the time.

Originally posted by Gormok

Well first off let me say; I don't normally agree with a lot of the ToR bashers on these forums, but in this regard to WoW clone and BW not changing things up. It looks like the trolls and ToR bashers where right, BW are following in the exact same footsteps as WoW and Rift. Basically if you want good gear in ToR it's raid or pvp,even crafting good gear means you have to raid for the mats. So it looks like the solo players gets it up the rear once again, you only have two options in which to progress your character at endgame. PvP or raid, I like raiding and I like pvp but I don't like for that to be the only option as far as progression goes. I have been doing that same old song and dance for the last ten years and quiet frankly it loses it's appeal very quickly, the whole solo planet thing is probably nothing but a daily quest grind as is seen in WoW and Rift. Well it looks like ToR might be off the table for me, seeing as to how I am pretty much tired and burnt out on the whole raid and pvp gear grind. Here are some links and quotes for those that are interested.

 

http://darthhater.com/2011/08/28/pax...on-live-blogs/

http://darthhater.com/2011/08/28/pax...eet-live-blog/

So.. You want to get free gear.. Sounds like it'd be a way for raiders to get phat loot while spending almost no time then they can go do the raids and faceroll through them. Now it's starting to sound like WoW. 

It also sounds like you log into MMOs and, while doing your own thing in Elwynn Forest, someone steals a boar kill from you. To which you scream at your monitor "Why the F**K are all these people here?"

i agree victor. I love to play with just my gf alot. That said i love to do dungeons and raids also. 

Im sorry u cant give a person not willing to do the operations the same gear as those that run operations. There has to be an incentive for running operations and raids other then just i got to do this content. 

Why shouldnt people doing the more complex and difficult content have better gear this from a wow player thats maybe seen 4 of the raids in wow if that. 

I ran naxx in lk , politics kept me out of ulduar, i ran icc alot, ive done kara, and ive done trial of champins raid. althogh never got final boss in icc or trail of champions. and i had no issue with raiders havign better gear then me

i did have an issue with those same people saying they were better players. They had a better guild hat would run with them then i did as i tended to stick to freind type guilds which didnt have alot of people other then the one guild where politics kept me out of ulduar. 

I also have an issue with people telling u to pug the lower raid to get to a newer one when in order to pug they want u to have the gear from the newer raid which never made any sense to me. 

That said people who do harder content should have better gear. i have no issue with that. I tend to lvoe to roll alts and stuff

While i also do heroics and raid when i could i didnt mind others having better gear then me if u care that much its kinda ridiculous. 

Its not even real its a game world . U can get the next highest level gear from crafting and im betting if players craft top level gear with operation mats that it wont be bop gear so they can sell it on ah and u can get some top gear or mods that way.

tl;dr why?

idk call me old fashion but i enjoy massively multi-player online role playing games, not massively single player online role playing games. I understand the whole solo thing i just don't get it. why play a game that involves groups and team work and then want to just do everything urself? where's the fun in that, you might as well just be playing a console game with online features.

Please tell me of an MMO that gives the best gear if you solo content? Keep waiting for that MMO bro.

Originally posted by kalinis

i agree victor. I love to play with just my gf alot. That said i love to do dungeons and raids also. 

Im sorry u cant give a person not willing to do the operations the same gear as those that run operations. There has to be an incentive for running operations and raids other then just i got to do this content. 

Why shouldnt people doing the more complex and difficult content have better gear this from a wow player thats maybe seen 4 of the raids in wow if that. 

 

Thousand times repeated lie will not become truth. It's a lie that just becouse you do raid dungeons you do harder content. For example i dont have to go that far - Rift with prenerfed T2 5 man dungeons, I knew quite a few ppl who raided and still were not able to do some of the hardest ones 5 mans.

Originally posted by Malevil

Originally posted by kalinis

i agree victor. I love to play with just my gf alot. That said i love to do dungeons and raids also. 

Im sorry u cant give a person not willing to do the operations the same gear as those that run operations. There has to be an incentive for running operations and raids other then just i got to do this content. 

Why shouldnt people doing the more complex and difficult content have better gear this from a wow player thats maybe seen 4 of the raids in wow if that. 

 

Thousand times repeated lie will not become truth. It's a lie that just becouse you do raid dungeons you do harder content. For example i dont have to go that far - Rift with prenerfed T2 5 man dungeons, I knew quite a few ppl who raided and still were not able to do some of the hardest ones 5 mans.

     And individual examples that prove your point do not actually prove your point either.  Most games make the raids much harder than the traditional missions.  Not all will be, but most will be and so what kalinis is saying is much more correct than what you are saying Malevil.

Stonger more difficult mobs drop better loot...amazing concept.  I used to cry about not being able to solo every mob in EQ.  Guess what I did, I rolled a different character that was better at soloing.  The entire time I realized that I should not be able to solo for the very best gear in the game.  The very best was for the hardcore people that had more time than I did. 

And honestly 10 - 20% difference in gear is not worth causing yourself any stress.

If you don't raid or pvp, why do you need the best gear?

That is the best point yet. If u arent gonna raid or pvp why do u need the best gear in game. 

The reason u need the top gear is to run the next operation or to keep up in warzones world pvp and arenas.

im sorry i didnt do rift but i will say this wows raids were much harder then there 5 mans. At least the ones i ran.

Getting 10 or 25 people to work together is harder , boss mechanics were tougher, i dont know how many 5 mans i ran in wow never wiped and in raids i never made it past a boss the first time did it without a wipel 

Opeartions should be harder then your hard mode flashpoints and while they have diffrent difficulty settings the harder opeartion u do the better your gear and thats as it should be.

Im sorry its an mmo how about u stop being anti social do some group stuff and u wont have to worry others have better gear then u.

not that it matters as a solo player i dont need or expect to have the best stat gear in game. Hell sometimes the lesser stat gear looks better then the top gear in games

wow gear is a great example of this the shaman helmet in icc and from icc tier was horrid i mean horrid looking it was an embarassment to wear i had to turn off view helm.

i'll never get gamers that play MULTIPLAYER online games, and complain cause they can't solo for gear that's PVP oriented, or Raid oriented.....then compare everything to WoW..... please don't play this game when it comes out, we don't want you in the community if all you are going to do is whine and complain in general chat and piss everyone off.

Originally posted by edgecrusher213

If you don't raid or pvp, why do you need the best gear?

I pointed this fact out on pg 22, but I don't think the OP is still visiting this thread.  ;-)

Originally posted by edgecrusher213

If you don't raid or pvp, why do you need the best gear?

As long as I can still get good looking gear I don't need it at all. What irritates me is games like WoW where when you do not raid you look like shyte, not that I need to most amazing looking gear but I want something good looking.

Also solo play doesn't mean easy, it is a design decision, they could make quests/missions only do able for one and really hard.

As someone who did raid way back during vanila WoW but now mainly solo plays with some pvp and dungeon running I can say....

...what did you expect? Sorry, I never expect to have gear as good as someone who raids when I am just going solo. That just seem ridiculous to me so why should I expect it? If someone has the stomach to raid that same dungeon fifty thousand times then they earned it and more power to them. I run in that hamster wheel and got sick of it but I also know that it took a lot of time investment so I can appreciate those that continue to do it. So I never feel I should get as much as those who raid consistently now that I do not.

So sorry I am like others. Why would I need raid level gear if I am not raiding anyway? Just for looks? As long as the gear I have is sufficient for my gameplay then I am fine. Just like if I pvp I expect pvp gear. So if I raid, I expect raid gear. If I solo I expect gear that gets me to achieve my goals as a solo player.

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Originally posted by Katilla
i'll never get gamers that play MULTIPLAYER online games, and complain cause they can't solo for gear that's PVP oriented, or Raid oriented.....then compare everything to WoW..... please don't play this game when it comes out, we don't want you in the community if all you are going to do is whine and complain in general chat and piss everyone off.

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There is no place for crafting in a game where the best gear is obtained by raiding. Its simple, unless you can make the best gear, why expend the effort to craft the 3rd tier rubbish that no one appreciates.