Originally posted by Biggus99

I've done research on the game.  Plenty of it.  And in no, way, shape, or form is it going to be "the next Warhammer."  That was a pvp game that was light on the pve, light on endgame, and unpolished.  SWTOR will be a pve-centric game (which appeals to the majority of gamers) with a good foundation in pvp as well.  And it will be smooth and polished at launch.  This is BioWare, after all.  

Is it going to be a WoW killer?  No.  The only WoW-killer is Blizzard.  But this game will put a serious dent in the populations of WoW and Rift, and I feel will immediately vault to the #2 most popular MMO in North America.  With enough time, it could become #1.  I think people underestimate how good this game is really going to be, and how popular it will be.  

Warhammer?  Not.  Even.  Close.

Pve-centric? did u read the latest news about endgame opvp? it will be probably the MMO with most pvp content of the market but warhammer. The game have battlegrounds, Opvp in the pvp servers and RvR announced in the last PaX, swtor will have neutral opvp planets (even in the pve servers) with objetives and territorial control where players need to fight to capture towers to call bombers, attack vehicles with the final goal of capture the enemy base, thats RvR ¨a la warhammer rvr lakes¨, It doesnt look like just pve-centric MMO, and even in the pve servers people gonna need to do some ¨RvR/opvp¨.

No, no no.

The SWTOR nay-sayers better make sure their words are tastey, 'cause they are going to be eating them

@ the OP --- ROFL - You are the absolute epitome of the pot calling the kettle "black."

"...do some legitimate research..."  before posting a ridiculous thread like this in the future.  Thanks!

I can tell you from first hand ex. This game IS good. It will not fail by any realistic standards. It is already polished with bugs getting fixed quickly as they find them. The content is great, the ART STYLE works well. Grouping is fun, Huttball is crazy fun (and different).  People who are looking for a good game will like this one. People who want a WoW killer will look elsewhere. People who are just trolls will troll.

Honestly, why is every new game that comes out supposed to be a "wow-killer"?because the game has new ideas or tweeks a current system that better fits that game. This game isnt like WoW..just because its a mmorpg doesnt mean thats what its trying to do"take down big bad WoW". Everyone knows WoW came out at the right time and place...it suited harcore and not so hardocre players...and it worked...that plus a aggressive ads and you have a golden game..

As for being over hyped and super hyped...lets face it its starwars...the name hypes its self up..IMO regardless of what anyone says you automaticly have a standard in your mind what this game should be like for you and for anyone really to say this is way to hyped then i think you need to take a look at the fables...meaning 1,2 and three...hell take at look at black and white...i mean really sit down and really think about whats really being hyped up...Most of the things in this game sure you have seen before but what really is being hyped is the voice acting..and they hit that one on the head no other mmorpg does this and its not like you can go well..."wow has better VO than this game so it FAIL"..its a unique part of this game and it has every right to hype it....wasnt aion like flight and wings? im pretty sure tera is hyping up there combat system...

Just MO..

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Originally posted by hikaru77
Pve-centric? did u read the latest news about endgame opvp? it will be probably the MMO with most pvp content of the market but warhammer. The game have battlegrounds, Opvp in the pvp servers and RvR announced in the last PaX, swtor will have neutral opvp planets (even in the pve servers) with objetives and territorial control where players need to fight to capture towers to call bombers,attack vehicles with the final goal of capture the enemy base, thats RvR ¨a la warhammer rvr lakes¨, It doesnt look like just pve-centric MMO, and even in the pve servers people gonna need to do some ¨RvR/opvp¨.

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And yet it also has 100+ hours of unique leveling content per class, crew skills system, space missions, companion system, datacron system, legacy system, social rewards system, flashpoints, operations, and personal housing.

Best of both worlds, imo :)

Oh and did its worth mentioning that everything hikaru and I listed above is launch day content.

Originally posted by kolsovo

These days I'm seeing alot of hype for Star Wars: The Old Republic. Both long time Star Wars IP fans and WoW haters alike seem excited, but is it for the right reasons?

 

I think a good amount of people remember Warhammer Online. There was BIG hype about it- The WoW slayer, the new DAOC, Warhammer Fantasy IP, etc etc...

 

And what happened?

 

Nobody's really sure how many players the game has nowadays. Maybe 100k at MOST? And that is a liberal estimate. 

 

And then came Rift. Yet again, everyone cheered (and cheer) WoW Slayer, new big MMO, etc etc. And what happned? Yet again, everyone was disappointed. Now, not that Rift is dying like WAR is- it still has a decent playerbase, but I think they're heavily customizable class system will be their downfall eventually.

 

But this isn't a Rift bashing thread. This is about people yet again getting over-excited about a game, and then being SO SURPRISED when it turns out the game is either unfinished, under-developed, or just another clone!

 

Basically, I just wanna suggest that everyone do some legitimate research on a game before you scream "OMG SWEET EPIC GAME WOW SLAYER!" 

 

This especially goes for SWTOR- I think that SWTOR will likely be a major fail, as many people are a bit too excited about the IP, perhaps moreso than the actual gameplay (like what happened in WAR).

I have done my research and that's why I think this game will be succesful.

Warhammer even today still have the same launchday animation bugs, UI lag, gfx glitches, poor gfx to begin with (spells look like sprite effects, wtf?) and all that stuff, that's why I and many others stopped playing, it's not fun to play a game that does not work like it should, and pay monthly fee for it. I dont see these problems when I look at TOR videos.

Rift is just a straight wall of text grinder, and also couldnt be more mediocre basic fantasy title with lore pulled out of someone's ass with the yawn dragon world destroyer etc. and a missed opportunity with the random generator tank and spank "dynamic" content as rifts. Only thing that Rift does right is the quite smooth gameplay, and since that alone seem to float it, I think TOR will be huge success with also smooth gameplay PLUS a pile of other features, with one of the most interesting sci-fi settings there is today.

It's not SWtOR's fault that WAR and Rift were basically engineered to, more or less, fail on purpose, for whatever strange reasons(?), if you would do your own research we wouldnt need threads like this all the time, that's what I think.

Originally posted by kolsovo

These days I'm seeing alot of hype for Star Wars: The Old Republic. Both long time Star Wars IP fans and WoW haters alike seem excited, but is it for the right reasons?

 

I think a good amount of people remember Warhammer Online. There was BIG hype about it- The WoW slayer, the new DAOC, Warhammer Fantasy IP, etc etc...

 

And what happened?

 

Nobody's really sure how many players the game has nowadays. Maybe 100k at MOST? And that is a liberal estimate. 

 

And then came Rift. Yet again, everyone cheered (and cheer) WoW Slayer, new big MMO, etc etc. And what happned? Yet again, everyone was disappointed. Now, not that Rift is dying like WAR is- it still has a decent playerbase, but I think they're heavily customizable class system will be their downfall eventually.

 

But this isn't a Rift bashing thread. This is about people yet again getting over-excited about a game, and then being SO SURPRISED when it turns out the game is either unfinished, under-developed, or just another clone!

 

Basically, I just wanna suggest that everyone do some legitimate research on a game before you scream "OMG SWEET EPIC GAME WOW SLAYER!" 

 

This especially goes for SWTOR- I think that SWTOR will likely be a major fail, as many people are a bit too excited about the IP, perhaps moreso than the actual gameplay (like what happened in WAR).

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know a lot of people running around saying "OMG SWEET EPIC WOW SLAYER", but you've made your mind up that this game will be fail so thanks again for stopping by, the GW2 forums are that way.

Well having played both.. i can tell you for me it will NOT be another WAR.. i got into beta of WAR a little before live and i could see lots of issues with it but right before it went live the put out a patch that fixed a number of them (game braking issues like pets not doing anything and such) anyways when it went live both me and my friend got the CE of it.. sense then i've subed to it for 2 months(1 month 2 different times).. my friend 4. I HATED the game.. after level 5 or so i completely hated playing i would have to force my self to sit down and play.. not exactly sure why.. but i just couldnt stand it.. my friend played 2-3 characters to max.. then started to dislike it (not hate).

Anyways having had a chance to play TOR a little i dont get that feeling at all.. but at the same time talking to a friend of mine in beta. Hes says the "gimmick" things to TOR will get old fast.. the full VO part he pretty much skips except for the class quest and having taken up a few characters now he could care less about the VO he just wants to get the quests and go.. but he has always been the kind of person that likes to rush to max level because he views everything before that as kinda a waste but at the same time he has really likes of of the quests and such..

Really if you like at the both WoW and TOR have alot in common.. similar combat class based experience trees ect.. the BIG differences are Companions, VO, Space (altho thats pretty much just a mini game talking to my friend), Star wars IP, and the gears system... personally i dont hate WoWs game play i actaully enjoy it mostly.. i hate the must have such and such DPS or gear score part of it.. but nature of the beast i guess

one thing that does concern me about TOR is time left vs polish talking to my friend they have come ALONG ways in the time hes been in beta.. but there are still alot of issues, severe class balance issues ect..

Personally i think the game with be HUGE at start 3-5 million boxes sold int he first 3-4 month.. i'm sure it will sell out at least once or twice simply because Bioware is already planning to.. stagger? the release.. meaning sell X a month let them in then a few days later do it again.. Not sure if anyone here remembers but WoW had to pull games from the shelves to help from over loading servers while the get new ones up and running.. 2-3 hours queue times to get on some servers ect.. and MOST people forget how bug filled WoW was at launch... they look at it now and its really polished and mostly bug free and expect every game to be released that way now

anyways back on topic i dont think TOR will fail from a financial stand point.. but i think alot of people with says it has due to how many people leave after a few months.. like i said before i can see 3-5 million boxes sold in the first few months.. but i would say 1/2 those will quit in a few months.. just because.. it wont be because of any huge blaring issues or anything.. but because.. so after a few months i can see it being around 1.5-2 million.. thats nothing compared to WOW's 10 or so million but when you think about it this way .. 4 million boxes sold at $50+ EACH. thats 200+ million already counting manufacturing costs and everything the game will still not make a profit (development cost+server costs ect) but then stack in 1.5million subs a month thts over 22 million a month.. wont take long to start being very profitable..

(MODS: i did not "leak" any beta infor or anthing else like that everything i stated is freely avalable on the PUBLIC forums on TORs web site)

The last 2 games that I did not enjoy the full Journey in were WAR and STO. I did enjoy the full journey to level cap in Rift, though.  I just dont pay $15/month to play what most mmorpg's turn into; online lobby-system skirmish-like small-team battle arenas.

I'm 'expecting' that SW:TOR will definitely 'not' be a disappointment in the "journey" department.  Whether it remains a mmorpg or turns into a pay-to-play MOBA after hitting level cap, is the thing I'm uncertain about.

I predict that TOR will be so sucessful, that it will cause sony to simply turn off their long standing star wars mmo around the 15th of december!

I'm in Beta.

It's not overhyped.

I'm buying the Collector's Edition.

Cannot wait for live.

To serius consider if SWTOR is going to have a fate like Warhammer, we need some arguments that points at the developers are doing the same mistakes as Mythic did with Warhammer. I see none yet. 

Originally posted by GreenWidow

I'm in Beta.

It's not overhyped.

I'm buying the Collector's Edition.

Cannot wait for live.

What you're going to see is a lot of the above.  You'll also see the adverse of this where a lot of people say they've played it and it is totally overhyped.

While I've had my experience with TOR, what you'll really find is a really good *game* that caters to a certain type of player,  and you'll find those that will stick with it and enjoy it,  or hate it and leave immediately,   and then, of course, you'll have those that hate it before even playing it and agree with all those who say they've played it and "hate" it.

At the end of the day though,  it will be just a really great game.  Some MMO veterans might not like it at first,  but I see anyone who loves MMOs and loves RPGs to pick this game up, if nothing more, than for the first month or two.  Those of us interested in sticking around though... will ... gladly.

Originally posted by kolsovo

These days I'm seeing alot of hype for Star Wars: The Old Republic. Both long time Star Wars IP fans and WoW haters alike seem excited, but is it for the right reasons?

 

I think a good amount of people remember Warhammer Online. There was BIG hype about it- The WoW slayer, the new DAOC, Warhammer Fantasy IP, etc etc...

 

And what happened?

 

Nobody's really sure how many players the game has nowadays. Maybe 100k at MOST? And that is a liberal estimate. 

 

And then came Rift. Yet again, everyone cheered (and cheer) WoW Slayer, new big MMO, etc etc. And what happned? Yet again, everyone was disappointed. Now, not that Rift is dying like WAR is- it still has a decent playerbase, but I think they're heavily customizable class system will be their downfall eventually.

 

But this isn't a Rift bashing thread. This is about people yet again getting over-excited about a game, and then being SO SURPRISED when it turns out the game is either unfinished, under-developed, or just another clone!

 

Basically, I just wanna suggest that everyone do some legitimate research on a game before you scream "OMG SWEET EPIC GAME WOW SLAYER!" 

 

This especially goes for SWTOR- I think that SWTOR will likely be a major fail, as many people are a bit too excited about the IP, perhaps moreso than the actual gameplay (like what happened in WAR).

Simply put, No.

BioWare is not pulling a Mythic of TRION and going directly after WoW. They have avoiding directly attacking the big ape while at the same time stating what it has done well. If SW:TOR is viewed as a nothing WAR it is in the eyes of SW:TOR haters, BioWare is not setting themselves up against WoW, if anything they are aiming for 2nd or third most popular MMO. This saves them in the PR area (that and not having a certain WAR developer hype their game), the fan though are another story and those who allow themselves to be influence by fanboys and girls deserve what they get.

BioWare knows better than to poke the sleeping dragon, they will leave that to Blizzard and Titan.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by GreenWidow

I'm in Beta.

It's not overhyped.

I'm buying the Collector's Edition.

Cannot wait for live.

 

What you're going to see is a lot of the above.  You'll also see the adverse of this where a lot of people say they've played it and it is totally overhyped.

 

While I've had my experience with TOR, what you'll really find is a really good *game* that caters to a certain type of player,  and you'll find those that will stick with it and enjoy it,  or hate it and leave immediately,   and then, of course, you'll have those that hate it before even playing it and agree with all those who say they've played it and "hate" it.

 

At the end of the day though,  it will be just a really great game.  Some MMO veterans might not like it at first,  but I see anyone who loves MMOs and loves RPGs to pick this game up, if nothing more, than for the first month or two.  Those of us interested in sticking around though... will ... gladly.

 Question for you.  Why are so many people complaining on the official forum that Bioware doesn't release enough information on swtor?  That doesn't sound like over hyping by Bioware.  Or did you mean the overhyping is caused by factors that aren't bioware such as forum members?

I shouldnt reply to the troll but here goes...

YOu dont talk for everyone, everyone wasnt dissapointed by Rift, i play and i like it so your point is moot.

Originally posted by GreenWidow

I'm in Beta.

It's not overhyped.

I'm buying the Collector's Edition.

Cannot wait for live.

As am I. 

It's not overhyped from the simple point of view that Bioware has never promised much / anything in the way of innovation.

I predict massive box sales out of the gate but I don't think people will stick around very long, it's a tired old formula packed into a game that feels like it would have been modern if it had been released around 2007.

I cancelled my Collector's Edition pre-order as did a couple of other people I know. 

I'm a bit torn though. On the one hand I wish it success because competition is always good for any market, on the other hand I don't think any company / game should be rewarded for showing less creativity and ambition than my cat has. With the kind of budget that they have it could be so much more. 

At the end of the day, the idealist in me wins out and I hope that games like GW2 etc. will prevail, anything that at least *tries* to push the genre forward in a meaninful way.

Will it be a financial success?

EA is a public company - whether or not it is seen as a success has more to do with whether or not it meets, exceeds, or falls short of the expectations of investment managers than gamers comparing it to WoW.

My guess is that it will sell more boxes than any recent MMO - then lose subscribers fast and furiously after a couple of months. 

Really?

Another one of these threads?

Really...?