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  Warmaker

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8/26/11 11:18:50 PM#141

The only "features" Blizzard has brought up about D3 is how much they will limit a player's options with the game, how they can play it.  Pitiful, really.

"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  blueturtle13

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8/26/11 11:22:35 PM#142

fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.

  Brenelael

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8/27/11 6:50:15 AM#143
Originally posted by blueturtle13

fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.

Correction... What they do works for them and their fans have no choice but to accept it. If it was working so well for their fans we wouldn't be here discussing it now would we. There would be no controversy over any of this.

 

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  Aori

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8/27/11 8:42:33 AM#144
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by blueturtle13

fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.

Correction... What they do works for them and their fans have no choice but to accept it. If it was working so well for their fans we wouldn't be here discussing it now would we. There would be no controversy over any of this.

 

Bren

 Name me a game that has no controversy lol.. or let me guess its ok for everyone else except blizzard.

  Loke666

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8/27/11 8:50:10 AM#145
Originally posted by blueturtle13

fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.

Lady Gaga and Brittney sells a bazillion albums as well...

I bought the other 2 Diablo games but I wont buy this one, I used to be a fan of the IP but I there is a limit to my patience.

The question is if other D fans will think the same turning the game into a failure or if most fans actually like this.

Time will tell, but no matter how large and popular a company is they can still fail with a game.

  Loke666

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8/27/11 8:52:43 AM#146
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by blueturtle13

fallen victim says you but they will sell a bazillion copies of everything they put out. What they do works for them and works for their fans.

Correction... What they do works for them and their fans have no choice but to accept it. If it was working so well for their fans we wouldn't be here discussing it now would we. There would be no controversy over any of this.

Bren

There is always a choice: Either you buy it or you don't.

And Blizz fans who hate all this but still buy the game are stupid since they tell Blizzard to continue like this.

  someforumguy

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8/27/11 8:56:37 AM#147

Diablo 2 would never have become so popular for this long if it had the same limitations as D3. I think it is smart move of the Torchlight devs to make use of this.

  zone16

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Posts: 52

8/27/11 8:59:48 AM#148

I'll buy it because it doesn't affect me in the slightest. My internet is constantly on. I don't even remember when last I had a connection issue and I really couldn't care less if someone wants to pay their way to the top with money. The game also looks really fun to play and huge improvement over Diablo 2.

  User Deleted
8/27/11 9:06:57 AM#149
Originally posted by Happyguy83
 

In this day and age there is no reason to own a computer without the internet.

 

Coming from someone who hates the Diablo series, This thread is insane.

That's not the point.

The point is, there's no reason to require an internet connection to play a game in single-player mode.

An online multiplayer mode should require an internet connection. Absolutely. That makes sense.

However, it's an arbitrary, unprecedented and unnecessary requirement to play a game in single-player mode. It makes no sense.

Say your internet service goes out, due to severe weather or some other cause... Or, what if you're in-between internet providers and don't have access yet? On the road and don't have access to internet on your laptop. Imagine any of a number of circumstances where an internet connection isn't available... Wanna play Diablo 3? Sorry! You'll just have to wait 'til your service is restored or set up or you can otherwise get access. Because that's how Blizzard wants it!

The issue is Blizzard requiring an internet connection for a game that has, historically, had an offline, single-player mode (which many people enjoyed) and an optional online multiplayer mode (which many people also enjoy).

If it's true that Blizz has removed a single-player mode, then that's *really* ass-backwards... especially considering so many of the videos they've shown demonstrates the game being played how? With a single, solo character.

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

  Loke666

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8/27/11 9:10:41 AM#150
Originally posted by zone16

I'll buy it because it doesn't affect me in the slightest. My internet is constantly on. I don't even remember when last I had a connection issue and I really couldn't care less if someone wants to pay their way to the top with money. The game also looks really fun to play and huge improvement over Diablo 2.

Do you care if someone hacks your account and steal your stuff?

Because that is what this will lead to, scumbags will hack accounts on a scale we never seen before due to this.

On the good side that might lessen the hacks in regular MMOs, but don't think this casshop thing wont affect you, it will.

  zone16

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Posts: 52

8/27/11 9:11:19 AM#151
Originally posted by WSIMike
Originally posted by Happyguy83
 

In this day and age there is no reason to own a computer without the internet.

 

Coming from someone who hates the Diablo series, This thread is insane.

That's not the point.

The point is, there's no reason to require an internet connection to play a game in single-player mode.

An online multiplayer mode should require an internet connection. Absolutely. That makes sense.

However, it's an arbitrary, unprecedented and unnecessary requirement to play a game in single-player mode. It makes no sense.

Say your internet service goes out, due to severe weather or some other cause... Or, what if you're in-between internet providers and don't have access yet? On the road and don't have access to internet on your laptop. Imagine any of a number of circumstances where an internet connection isn't available... Wanna play Diablo 3? Sorry! You'll just have to wait 'til your service is restored or set up or you can otherwise get access. Because that's how Blizzard wants it!

The issue is Blizzard requiring an internet connection for a game that has, historically, had an offline, single-player mode (which many people enjoyed) and an optional online multiplayer mode (which many people also enjoy).

If it's true that Blizz has removed a single-player mode, then that's *really* ass-backwards... especially considering so many of the videos they've shown demonstrates the game being played how? With a single, solo character.

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

They have online single player so they don't need to force you to have separate characters for both multi player and single player (because offline character can be hacked with trainers and cheats). You can play the same character both alone and with other people. They are infact doing the players a favor.

  Silverbarr

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8/27/11 9:12:07 AM#152
Originally posted by WSIMike

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

So true mate, after reading a thread that showed many quotes from Bobby Kotick it dis-heartens me to see a company like Blizzard fall to such an extent.

 

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  Milander

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8/27/11 9:16:43 AM#153
Originally posted by WSIMike
Originally posted by Happyguy83
 

In this day and age there is no reason to own a computer without the internet.

 

Coming from someone who hates the Diablo series, This thread is insane.

That's not the point.

The point is, there's no reason to require an internet connection to play a game in single-player mode.

An online multiplayer mode should require an internet connection. Absolutely. That makes sense.

However, it's an arbitrary, unprecedented and unnecessary requirement to play a game in single-player mode. It makes no sense.

Say your internet service goes out, due to severe weather or some other cause... Or, what if you're in-between internet providers and don't have access yet? On the road and don't have access to internet on your laptop. Imagine any of a number of circumstances where an internet connection isn't available... Wanna play Diablo 3? Sorry! You'll just have to wait 'til your service is restored or set up or you can otherwise get access. Because that's how Blizzard wants it!

The issue is Blizzard requiring an internet connection for a game that has, historically, had an offline, single-player mode (which many people enjoyed) and an optional online multiplayer mode (which many people also enjoy).

If it's true that Blizz has removed a single-player mode, then that's *really* ass-backwards... especially considering so many of the videos they've shown demonstrates the game being played how? With a single, solo character.

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

requiring internet access and thus a battle.net account to play fixes many of the problems that plaqued D2.  Makes the game harder to pirate (note I said harder not impossible) Kills the whole teleport/dupe/clone/produce mods out there.

As for your game that 'historically' had an offline single player mode...well yeah, because the tech didnt exist to be able to play it single player while being able to talk with friends playing SC2, or WoW or whatever other Blizzard games that use the Battle.net framework. The way it has changed, it would be almost impossible to use it and have an offline game. Would be like having oh...lets say stock market mmo that uses up to date market prices but having it offline without a netconect.

I'm curious though where does it say that Blizzard has REMOVED single player in? Or is this just a 'sky is falling'  because they are saying you must be connected to Battle.net to play? (shakes head) Sums up as this people, if you wanna cry because you need to be online to play it, Don't buy it, or just about ANY other game coming...More and more games even single player are adding a net conection to the play in one way or another.

It's called progress...

 

  User Deleted
8/27/11 9:17:53 AM#154

dude, you cant compare one thing with another, if you want to compare torchlight, do it with another game, you cant do it with Diablo 3.

  redpins

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People simply can't create fun for themselves!

8/27/11 9:18:10 AM#155

Like previous threads, I'll say something yet again. Without that single player mode, without the ability to make mods and actually have additional fun inside the game, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. Starcraft 2 works because its editable by the community. Take that away, and you start losing support for it. Now what did help Diablo in the early days? Why its Single Player versatility and mod capable engine. Blizzard eats to much money, and when they told players that it's really their fault for everything and their ass was only clean and shinny, that took the cake. Now if you want to support such a game that is fine, but in reality I will not support their behavior no matter what trash they try to push my way. Break down SC2 for a minute here. All it is, is a shinny new turd with very few improvements over the old. $60 turd, and people loved to eat it. It will be the same, if not more rage about Diablo 3. After all box sales are said and done and Blizzard is happy, then will come the rages. Millions will blindly support Blizzard because they don't know any better or just don't care. I prefer to keep my $60, as Diablo 3 isnt such a nice "sandbox" friendly game for me to play. I can get more fun out of other rpg games. The point is that they forgot who supported them and helped them grow, the mod communities. They bit the hands that helped them, now enjoy the new age of  gaming. Where you pay $60~$300 for a Blizzard game, 20 hours of story gameplay, and they give a presentation video at the end with puppets or a short cartoon laughing at you for buying the game. The middle finger goes up as they drive away in a fleet of Rolls Royce, their dogs driving Lambos happily as well into the sunset.

I struggle not with life, money, emotions, and world, but against old mindsets and selves to be proven obsolete in a age and time of rapid changes. Go create fun, so you can have fun.

  expresso

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8/27/11 9:24:34 AM#156
Originally posted by WSIMike
Originally posted by Happyguy83
 

In this day and age there is no reason to own a computer without the internet.

 

Coming from someone who hates the Diablo series, This thread is insane.

That's not the point.

The point is, there's no reason to require an internet connection to play a game in single-player mode.

Cut's out 90% of the hacks right out the gate

You dont need to create offline and online characters

HD crashes you don't lose your toon and the progress you have made (that's a big one)

An online multiplayer mode should require an internet connection. Absolutely. That makes sense.

However, it's an arbitrary, unprecedented and unnecessary requirement to play a game in single-player mode. It makes no sense.

See above

Say your internet service goes out, due to severe weather or some other cause... Or, what if you're in-between internet providers and don't have access yet? On the road and don't have access to internet on your laptop. Imagine any of a number of circumstances where an internet connection isn't available... Wanna play Diablo 3? Sorry! You'll just have to wait 'til your service is restored or set up or you can otherwise get access. Because that's how Blizzard wants it!

Image your electricity goes out.. you're house burns down, your PC get's stolen.. I could go on....  just as many way you can't play games an internet connection is just one of them

The issue is Blizzard requiring an internet connection for a game that has, historically, had an offline, single-player mode (which many people enjoyed) and an optional online multiplayer mode (which many people also enjoy).

The last Diablo game was relased some 12 years ago, technology was different then we are now in an age where internet access is everywhere unlike in 1999 where Broadband was not even common.  Times have moved on so should you're attitude

If it's true that Blizz has removed a single-player mode, then that's *really* ass-backwards... especially considering so many of the videos they've shown demonstrates the game being played how? With a single, solo character.

There is a full 4 Act single player game which you can also play co-op and play in 4 difficulties, there is also arena PvP

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

Kotick does not own Blizzard... what's the point every one thinks Kotick does.

  Aori

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8/27/11 9:32:11 AM#157
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by WSIMike
Originally posted by Happyguy83
 

In this day and age there is no reason to own a computer without the internet.

 

Coming from someone who hates the Diablo series, This thread is insane.

That's not the point.

The point is, there's no reason to require an internet connection to play a game in single-player mode.

Cut's out 90% of the hacks right out the gate

You dont need to create offline and online characters

HD crashes you don't lose your toon and the progress you have made (that's a big one)

An online multiplayer mode should require an internet connection. Absolutely. That makes sense.

However, it's an arbitrary, unprecedented and unnecessary requirement to play a game in single-player mode. It makes no sense.

See above

Say your internet service goes out, due to severe weather or some other cause... Or, what if you're in-between internet providers and don't have access yet? On the road and don't have access to internet on your laptop. Imagine any of a number of circumstances where an internet connection isn't available... Wanna play Diablo 3? Sorry! You'll just have to wait 'til your service is restored or set up or you can otherwise get access. Because that's how Blizzard wants it!

Image your electricity goes out.. you're house burns down, your PC get's stolen.. I could go on....  just as many way you can't play games an internet connection is just one of them

The issue is Blizzard requiring an internet connection for a game that has, historically, had an offline, single-player mode (which many people enjoyed) and an optional online multiplayer mode (which many people also enjoy).

The last Diablo game was relased some 12 years ago, technology was different then we are now in an age where internet access is everywhere unlike in 1999 where Broadband was not even common.  Times have moved on so should you're attitude

If it's true that Blizz has removed a single-player mode, then that's *really* ass-backwards... especially considering so many of the videos they've shown demonstrates the game being played how? With a single, solo character.

There is a full 4 Act single player game which you can also play co-op and play in 4 difficulties, there is also arena PvP

Blizzard has, indeed, abandoned the attitude that got them where they are. They seem to have become full servants of Sith Lord Bobby Kotick himself.

Kotick does not own Blizzard... what's the point every one thinks Kotick does.

 You play a blizzard game lol no one will listen.

  Milander

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Joined: 11/27/04
Posts: 126

8/27/11 9:37:05 AM#158
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by Nikkita
 

Oh boy! someone woke up on wrong side of bed this morning. And yes i am saying it with a very straight face. I didn't use even more than 3 slots for Diablo 2 so even if i wasn't aware of the limit no way i was going to fill up all 10.

You are still not getting why I said it was unreasonable, I do not care how many characters you made in D2. Like I said name one other single player RPG that limited the amount of character you could make, this is what I find unreasonable! With that if games that do put limits on how many characters you can make are really profitable then more single player games will become like this. To me that is what I find unreasonable no one should be able to tell me how many characters I can make in a single player game.  Now if you do not agree with that is fine!
 
The other part I find humorous is that if anyone but Blizzard did this people would be having a cow, I cannot wait for EA to do this and watch all fun comments that are made about how greedy they are.

You want single player games that limit character slots? Well lets see...Hellgate which was single and muiltiplayer, had a limit. Dragon Age and Dragon Age II both had 'limits' Mind you at leas for 360 it was more "Oh I'm sorry you have too many save games" which in turn limited your character creation. I think even TL had a limit....

  Aori

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Posts: 1762

8/27/11 9:39:30 AM#159
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by zone16

I'll buy it because it doesn't affect me in the slightest. My internet is constantly on. I don't even remember when last I had a connection issue and I really couldn't care less if someone wants to pay their way to the top with money. The game also looks really fun to play and huge improvement over Diablo 2.

Do you care if someone hacks your account and steal your stuff?

Because that is what this will lead to, scumbags will hack accounts on a scale we never seen before due to this.

On the good side that might lessen the hacks in regular MMOs, but don't think this casshop thing wont affect you, it will.

 In all my career of playing online games i have yet once been "hacked", infact none of my friends have been "hacked" either. How about we call it what it really is online ignorance. People rarely get hacked, they usually get compromised by doing actions that they shouldn't.

I'm thinking of starting an online awareness class.. pfft

  AKASlaphappy

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Joined: 7/01/06
Posts: 812

8/27/11 9:39:43 AM#160
Some of the arguments people use to defend their God “favorite game developer” are really funny!

 

Originally posted by Wiezard
 

Sorry bud but intelligent people don't need spell check ;)

Apparently according to the logic on this forum intelligent people are good at everything! So since Einstein sucked at regular math that must mean he was not intelligent after all he was not good at everything. Since bad spelling makes you not intelligent then by your own logic that means being bad at basic math would mean you are not intelligent. Great job guys you just used logic to make one of the smartest men that ever lived stupid to defend a video game. I applaud your zealous devotion to gaming!
 
 
Originally posted by RabbiFang
 

$25 to many people is spare change. Intelligent people understand that disposable income varies from person to person. What you see as dumb, others see as 'meh, why not, it's only $XX'.

Yeah and that logic is why according to SSI 90% of people that live in America will be broke by the time they hit the age 65. Woohoo lets all praise financial irresponsibility; only cool kids like to make it so they have to depend on their children in order to live! I am so glad people on this site love gaming so much that they encourage people to spend money like it is nothing! I again applaud you zealous devotion to gaming!
 
 
Originally posted by RabbiFang
Starcraft 2 is one year old, and it's probably the best RTS I have ever played in my life.

 

Just curious do you really believe this? Also did you miss out on all the RTS that were made around the year 2000 they play exactly like Star Craft 2, so wouldn’t that mean all of those game are the best RTS ever made? I guess I must have missed when I played it all the things that were different from all the RTS made from 2000-2005 time frames! The only thing I see different from those games and Star Craft 2 is that SC2 was designed to be an e-sport and those were not. But please maybe I missed something please tell me all the great things SC2 did that no other RTS ever did, so it was the best RTS of your life.
 
Originally posted by Ramonski7                                                                                                                                   And they are the ones that put the Blizzard in the phrase "Blizzard polish"

 

Oh you mean polish like login servers crashing constantly at the launch of WoW. Or the fact that one whole map of WoW kept going off line for the first three months after release. Or the fact that when you harvested any crafting resource it would crash your game! Yeah that just speaks of polish that no other company out there can deliver.
 
Or maybe you are referring to myth that Blizzard fans have made that all Blizzard games are polished and have no problems. That is such a great myth that their fan base spread to bad it does not have any hold on reality. Because just like all software companies they have bugs in their software that they have to patch to get rid of, the other difference is that you have raised Blizzard up to be a God so you do not notice these bugs anymore. So then if another game launches like the Witcher 2 you play it and go “oh my god look at these bugs this game is a mess, Blizzard would never do this”. But in truth they do you people just choice to ignore it because then your God would have faults and no god can be imperfect. Although I think the best Myth that I hear all the time is that the reason WoW had so many problems is because it had so many people at launch that Blizzard could not handle it. Well let’s look at the facts in August 2005 Blizzard announced they hit one million subscribers in North America, that means both the United States and Canada had one million people playing WoW ten months after launch. So apparently Blizzards servers could not handle a climb from zero to one million in ten months, yep that speaks of quality that no other company can ever accomplish there.
 
I am sorry Blizzard Zealots I will stop trying to bring facts into the spread of your faith and just accept that Blizzard stands for quality that no other company in gaming can achieve.
 
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