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Originally posted by Ferment

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The game isn't nearly as dead as people like to think it is. T4 and T1 pretty much have fighting 90% of the time on US servers, and T2 and T3 have them about 50% of the time. Mostly during afternoon/evening/weekends for t2/t3. But it's still there.

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You had me toying with the notion that I should come back, but then as I re-read 't4 and t1 pretty much having fighting 90% of the time' I realised that could include just the battleground pvp and not the outdoor pvp that made for a lotta fun. If that wasn't what you meant, but you were actually talking about keep siege that'd be a different story.

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If anything there are more oRVR than bgs popping. I wasn't toying with you there. I didn't even touch scenarios in t2/t3
 

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Originally posted by VultureSkull
With regards to Population in T2 and T3, I have many alts at this level of the game and regularly find RvR action in thenm with up to 40 vs 40, which is more then enough to enjoy the game.

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There is usually at least something going on in t2 and t3, but there isn't always "fighting" like there usually is in t4 was more what I was going for.
 
 

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Originally posted by Kabaal
Nah he means open RvR too. T1 oRvR is tedious tbh and ends up (during peak time) simply being a warband or two on each side just fighting at the entrance to one anothers warcamps. T4 usually has a good few warbands full of people fighting across and locking the various zones in order to seige the opposite sides city + plenty of Scenarios (BG's) popping. T2 & 3 is just plain open RvR but for most of the day only consists of capping empty zones or against very little resistance.

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Pretty much this. T2/3 have action, but it's usually only during prime time unless you get lucky. There is always usually at least someone capping stuff though. Doing t1 orvr can be a little tedious though, because since t1 is free, some people twink all to hell just for those levels (which is stupid since there is so much more game). There are some people that just have tons of potions and some twinked gear from higher level zones, but those are only one in about 50, so it's not too bad. I'd rather do bgs in  t1 90% of the time though.
 

Originally posted by Neiko

 If anything there are more oRVR than bgs popping. I wasn't toying with you there. I didn't even touch scenarios in t2/t3
 

 There is usually at least something going on in t2 and t3, but there isn't always "fighting" like there usually is in t4 was more what I was going for.
   Originally posted by Kabaal

 

Pretty much this. T2/3 have action, but it's usually only during prime time unless you get lucky. There is always usually at least someone capping stuff though. Doing t1 orvr can be a little tedious though, because since t1 is free, some people twink all to hell just for those levels (which is stupid since there is so much more game). There are some people that just have tons of potions and some twinked gear from higher level zones, but those are only one in about 50, so it's not too bad. I'd rather do bgs in  t1 90% of the time though.
 

 

Your post has me toying with coming back to the game now much more seriously. Also the fact that some people came on to back you up has really added some weight.

Originally posted by Ferment

Your post has me toying with coming back to the game now much more seriously. Also the fact that some people came on to back you up has really added some weight.

I see people go into bgs while in orvr warbands every now and then in t2/t3, but I wouldn't say bgs happen all the time. From what I've been able to see, there is ALWAYS something going on in t2/t3. Whether or not it's real fighting, there is always at least a group or so running about capping points and banging on doors. I've also had tons of fighting going on late into the night on weeknights (central time). Like up till 3-4am, and still going after that. I haven't played enough to see if that's the norm, but it happens often enough to keep me entertained.

Also, when your side has less people in the orvr lake, you get a buff called Against All Odds (People refer to it as AAO in game). Bascially, you receive more exp/renown/rvr influence when killing/capping/getting rcs(resource collector's) since you are outnumbered. I've also seen enemy warbands with less people beat us back just due to organization and a good mix of classes. We only had 3 healers in our full 24 person warband, they had about 3/4ths a warband, but more healers, and a good mix of tanks/melee dps/ranged dps, they were able to beat us back many times.

I'm not going to say it's the best game around, but it's the most fun I've had in an MMO for a while, but I doubt it'll keep my attention after GW2 comes out. I feel this more as something to hold me over until Space Marine/GW2.

Also, unless you've resubbed the last few months, you might be able to re-activate your account for 7 days for free (I think it was 7 days, maybe it was 14. My sub starts on the 1st, and I started playing again a week or so ago).

Originally posted by Neiko

I see people go into bgs while in orvr warbands every now and then in t2/t3, but I wouldn't say bgs happen all the time. From what I've been able to see, there is ALWAYS something going on in t2/t3. Whether or not it's real fighting, there is always at least a group or so running about capping points and banging on doors. I've also had tons of fighting going on late into the night on weeknights (central time). Like up till 3-4am, and still going after that. I haven't played enough to see if that's the norm, but it happens often enough to keep me entertained.

Also, when your side has less people in the orvr lake, you get a buff called Against All Odds (People refer to it as AAO in game). Bascially, you receive more exp/renown/rvr influence when killing/capping/getting rcs(resource collector's) since you are outnumbered. I've also seen enemy warbands with less people beat us back just due to organization and a good mix of classes. We only had 3 healers in our full 24 person warband, they had about 3/4ths a warband, but more healers, and a good mix of tanks/melee dps/ranged dps, they were able to beat us back many times.

I'm not going to say it's the best game around, but it's the most fun I've had in an MMO for a while, but I doubt it'll keep my attention after GW2 comes out. I feel this more as something to hold me over until Space Marine/GW2.

Also, unless you've resubbed the last few months, you might be able to re-activate your account for 7 days for free (I think it was 7 days, maybe it was 14. My sub starts on the 1st, and I started playing again a week or so ago).

Alright, alright, you've got me!

Nah, yea i just set up a trial account (it looks like i've lost my old toons 'cause i never did any sort of switching whenever the servers got cut back), but yea I'll give myself 3 days with the trial, and if I'm still messing around with it I'll cough up the $15.

I'm in for Space Marine too, sitting on a preorder, and can't wait to play it (I'm not touching the demo)!

Nvm, I figured out how to link my old account to my EA account, and i got the 14 day offer, thanks

Originally posted by Ferment

Originally posted by Neiko

I see people go into bgs while in orvr warbands every now and then in t2/t3, but I wouldn't say bgs happen all the time. From what I've been able to see, there is ALWAYS something going on in t2/t3. Whether or not it's real fighting, there is always at least a group or so running about capping points and banging on doors. I've also had tons of fighting going on late into the night on weeknights (central time). Like up till 3-4am, and still going after that. I haven't played enough to see if that's the norm, but it happens often enough to keep me entertained.

Also, when your side has less people in the orvr lake, you get a buff called Against All Odds (People refer to it as AAO in game). Bascially, you receive more exp/renown/rvr influence when killing/capping/getting rcs(resource collector's) since you are outnumbered. I've also seen enemy warbands with less people beat us back just due to organization and a good mix of classes. We only had 3 healers in our full 24 person warband, they had about 3/4ths a warband, but more healers, and a good mix of tanks/melee dps/ranged dps, they were able to beat us back many times.

I'm not going to say it's the best game around, but it's the most fun I've had in an MMO for a while, but I doubt it'll keep my attention after GW2 comes out. I feel this more as something to hold me over until Space Marine/GW2.

Also, unless you've resubbed the last few months, you might be able to re-activate your account for 7 days for free (I think it was 7 days, maybe it was 14. My sub starts on the 1st, and I started playing again a week or so ago).

Alright, alright, you've got me!

Nah, yea i just set up a trial account (it looks like i've lost my old toons 'cause i never did any sort of switching whenever the servers got cut back), but yea I'll give myself 3 days with the trial, and if I'm still messing around with it I'll cough up the $15.

I'm in for Space Marine too, sitting on a preorder, and can't wait to play it (I'm not touching the demo)!

You should still be able to transfer characters, but you probably have to have an active account. I had all my destro on old servers (I was lucky with order and had then all on badlands already), and I was still able to xfer my characters once I activated the free 7 or 14 days for returning. Unless maybe they actually deleted characters on really old serveres, but idk >_<.

Edit- totally didn't register that the next post was you as well D=. That's awesome you were able to find your old characters, I would have been a little on the unhappy side if my two t4 destro chars were gone >_<

Is this the big announcement then?? Cos as I understand it this has no bearing on the actualy WAR game as it stands, it is a seperate game......

Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes

http://uk.gamespot.com/events/pax2011/story.html?pid=640105&sid=6331552

This fall, BioWare Mythic will launch Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes, a free-to-play variant of the scenario combat found in the studio's massively multiplayer online role-playing game. ...........................

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Is this the big announcement then?? Cos as I understand it this has no bearing on the actualy WAR game as it stands, it is a seperate game......

Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes

http://uk.gamespot.com/events/pax2011/story.html?pid=640105&sid=6331552

This fall, BioWare Mythic will launch Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes, a free-to-play variant of the scenario combat found in the studio's massively multiplayer online role-playing game. ...........................

 

This fall, BioWare Mythic will launch Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes, a free-to-play variant of the scenario combat found in the studio's massively multiplayer online role-playing game.

I believe so.

They won't announce any F2P now because it will ruin the SWOTR release. So prolly 2-3months after SWOTR wiill be released and it will go downhill faster than a rolling boulder they will go with WAR F2P.

Originally posted by CristianCeo

They won't announce any F2P now because it will ruin the SWOTR release. So prolly 2-3months after SWOTR wiill be released and it will go downhill faster than a rolling boulder they will go with WAR F2P.

I'm not sure how ToR will kill WAR. Considering they are two completely different game types.

Originally posted by Neiko

Originally posted by CristianCeo

They won't announce any F2P now because it will ruin the SWOTR release. So prolly 2-3months after SWOTR wiill be released and it will go downhill faster than a rolling boulder they will go with WAR F2P.

I'm not sure how ToR will kill WAR. Considering they are two completely different game types.

TOR PvP is shaping up to be very much like that of WAR meaning that a lot of the players will just move over to there, a game that will actually be supported and developed. I can't really see many staying in WAR other than those who absolutely love the IP tbh.

Originally posted by Kabaal

TOR PvP is shaping up to be very much like that of WAR meaning that a lot of the players will just move over to there, a game that will actually be supported and developed. I can't really see many staying in WAR other than those who absolutely love the IP tbh.

Most fans of the IP left ages ago. The friends I have that still play say it is because they like the casual PvP. I know a lot of Warhammer fans, I am rather found of it myself but I found very little of the tabletop or the RPG game in WAR. 

I am not sure that TOR will have the same thing there, if it will and those people actually would move it would mean closing time. No F2P would work then.

Originally posted by CristianCeo

They won't announce any F2P now because it will ruin the SWOTR release. So prolly 2-3months after SWOTR wiill be released and it will go downhill faster than a rolling boulder they will go with WAR F2P.

Or possibly just flip the switch if investment versus return doesn't look promising.  Not hoping for it, just an observation.  Then again DAOC is still running after all these years.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Kabaal

TOR PvP is shaping up to be very much like that of WAR meaning that a lot of the players will just move over to there, a game that will actually be supported and developed. I can't really see many staying in WAR other than those who absolutely love the IP tbh.

Most fans of the IP left ages ago. The friends I have that still play say it is because they like the casual PvP. I know a lot of Warhammer fans, I am rather found of it myself but I found very little of the tabletop or the RPG game in WAR. 

I am not sure that TOR will have the same thing there, if it will and those people actually would move it would mean closing time. No F2P would work then.

Ah, I see. If they can do the ORVR better, than I would probably switch too.