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  Incomparable

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8/25/11 9:43:13 AM#41
Originally posted by Eladi
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Kwintpod

I don't see how gay or lesbian relationships would be any less suitable than straight relationships for a younger audience 

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and so on and so on.. we could turn this into a 10.000 long thread whit each post reaching max lenght and still be ongoing why or why not gay should be in the game or not in the game. fact is, they choices not to , be it for personal believes,be it for demograpics and sales or for a silly age rating they know is biast toward anyting not 1920 "morale" proof.

those who hate it just gota say so whit their wallet and those who dont care ..dont care. I love every human being , gay,black,white ,red, god fearing or science nert but could not care for Erp whit pixels, if i wanted Erp i would find me a nice looking player gal toon and invite her to my awsome ship bedroom.

Nice finish.

I find your points interesting. Since animals are territorial, which would mean thier bisexual behavior is a sign of dominace and not a sign of sexual interest. Also they are animals, it would be hard to discern if an animal has an actual prefernce to one of its own gender over the other, instead of what is conveniantly infront of them.

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Once people say too much, things become serious, and people get hurt. The decision has been made. Try what you can to help yourselfs, but look at the alternatives (romance exists), the trade off (buy it or not, if it exists who will not buy it or not), and the actual product itself. 

“Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”

  karat76

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8/25/11 9:44:06 AM#42

It is Biowares game and their choice. Don't like it don't play. Keep that PC crap out of every aspect of life. No we all can not get along there will always be a us vs them. Though I disagree with Badspock in gay being unnatural. Gay and sterile are just natural procreation limiters. It is neither good nor bad it just is. Also where do people get the insane notion they have the right to go through life without being offended? At least speaking for the US we are supposed to be a nation of TOLERANCE as in we tolerate each other does not mean we like each other or even respect each other merely we tolerate each other's existence and most of the time we fail even at that.

  scottns

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8/25/11 9:45:58 AM#43

Personally I don't care about relationships in the game at all. I don't really understand the appeal of it. But for those who care the solution is simple. Create a gay/gay friendly guild. Role play your toon and romance other players of the same sex. Make up your own adventures.  Just becaues the game doesn't allow you to romance same sex NPC shouldn't stop you from playing how you want. Have fun.


  apocalance

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Who is John Galt?

8/25/11 9:48:51 AM#44

In the LGBT community, isn't the concept that people feel they're born one gender, but internally they're really another? And so if that's the case, in SWTOR, they can actually be that other gender, and so balance is restored. amiright? Not gay here, so I could be mistaken.

so...

  Alot

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Joined: 1/04/11
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Minister of Propaganda for GW2 Fascist-Capitalist Party

8/25/11 9:52:20 AM#45
Originally posted by apocalance

In the LGBT community, isn't the concept that people feel they're born one gender, but internally they're really another? And so if that's the case, in SWTOR, they can actually be that other gender, and so balance is restored. amiright? Not gay here, so I could be mistaken.

That's transsexuality, not homosexuality. 

  daeandor

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8/25/11 9:52:45 AM#46

Leave the sexual relationships with computer sprites out of the game.  As it has been said several times before, avoid the controversy completely by not allowing PC sexual relationships at all.  End of Story.  If you absolutely *must* have sex or sexual orientation in the game, then allow any and everything and be prepared for the consequences of such, ie the higher "M" rating on the box.  Want an "E" or "T" rating, then leave the sex out.  Simple.

  Alot

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8/25/11 9:53:52 AM#47
Originally posted by daeandor

Leave the sexual relationships with computer sprites out of the game.  As it has been said several times before, avoid the controversy completely by not allowing PC sexual relationships at all.  End of Story.  If you absolutely *must* have sex or sexual orientation in the game, then allow any and everything and be prepared for the consequences of such, ie the higher "M" rating on the box.  Want an "E" or "T" rating, then leave the sex out.  Simple.

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  maji

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8/25/11 9:54:26 AM#48
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Star Wars is for children, they decided that Gay and Lesbian relationships aren't for children.  Thats ONE reason.

But why would a relationship between two women for example be damaging for a child, while a relationship between a guy and a woman wouldn't?

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  Unlight

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8/25/11 9:55:41 AM#49
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Kwintpod

I don't see how gay or lesbian relationships would be any less suitable than straight relationships for a younger audience 

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Finally someone with the guts to be honest.  I totally disagree your opinion, but I applaud the fact that you're at least not trying to cloud your position with a lot of bullshit justifications.  This is at the heart of the decision.  Everything else stems from it.

I won't even bother listing any of the huge number of other animal species on the planet who engage in same-sex behaviour with one another, without the benefit of human engineered morality to dissuade them.    

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

8/25/11 9:56:07 AM#50
Originally posted by apocalance

In the LGBT community, isn't the concept that people feel they're born one gender, but internally they're really another? And so if that's the case, in SWTOR, they can actually be that other gender, and so balance is restored. amiright? Not gay here, so I could be mistaken.

Seriously I cant tell you how many times Ive written this in response to this argument.  Or rather.....if you want same sex NPC relationships in Swtor please follow these directions: 

 

Create a Female character

Use character creation to modify this characters looks.  Give broad shoulders, flat chest, male haircut, and as male of a face as possible with no make up. 

Name character Fred.  George.  Tight Pants Henrico.  Bruno.  Whatever.  Any male name you like. 

Then role play as a male. 

 

You may now have your NPC same sex relationships.  Apparently this isnt good enough however, because the game may occasionally refer to you as a "beautiful woman" or something when you're actually trying to play as a gay guy.   Of COURSE its not friggin good enough.  Why the hell would it be?  That solution is far too simple.  The issue has got to be complicated.  {mod edit}

  User Deleted
8/25/11 9:56:39 AM#51
Originally posted by daeandor

Leave the sexual relationships with computer sprites out of the game.  As it has been said several times before, avoid the controversy completely by not allowing PC sexual relationships at all.  End of Story. 

 

 

Why ??? Why should they remove a feature of the game bacause 1-2% of population isn't satisfied with it ?

  Unlight

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8/25/11 9:59:12 AM#52
Originally posted by Verterdegete

This is getting really tiresome. Accept it, majority of people hate this stuff and don't want it in their game. If you want same sex relationships in SWTOR, roleplay it with someone.

Numbers please with a cited reference.  And majority in this case is 50% +1?  Not exactly a sweeping endorsement, that.

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

8/25/11 10:00:05 AM#53
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Star Wars is for children, they decided that Gay and Lesbian relationships aren't for children.  Thats ONE reason.

But why would a relationship between two women for example be damaging for a child, while a relationship between a guy and a woman wouldn't?

Please refer to my comment earlier in the thread where I already delved into this issue.   Common sense.  Its a good thing. 

  teakbois

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8/25/11 10:03:02 AM#54

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA



Star Wars is for children, they decided that Gay and Lesbian relationships aren't for children.  



 


There is no difference between a gay relationship and a heterosexual relationship.  So only a close minded person would say that one is for children and the other isnt.  This is a sickening post and really makes me wodner what is wrong with people.


 


 


No, Bioware did it as a business decision.  They figure there are more homophones then there are GBLT folks.


 


 


I wonder if MMOs were made in the 60s if Black characters would have to join seperate guilds.


  eycel

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8/25/11 10:03:26 AM#55

I dont get why this thread is still going, there was the same thread two days ago that was locked.  All it turns into is a debate about why one peoples life style is better then the other and why one should conform to another.  Thats it, really.   It doesnt even come close to SWTOR in any way.  The decision was made and thats it, why discuss it any more.  Im kinda suprised they even said anything about it till it was released in the first place.

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

8/25/11 10:05:58 AM#56
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by Verterdegete

This is getting really tiresome. Accept it, majority of people hate this stuff and don't want it in their game. If you want same sex relationships in SWTOR, roleplay it with someone.

Numbers please with a cited reference.  And majority in this case is 50% +1?  Not exactly a sweeping endorsement, that.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_world_is_gay

 

Now I dont know how many necessarily HATE that stuff, but no, 50% of the population is not gay.  I doubt 50% of gamers are gay either.  Its probably no where close.  No matter how you spin it, homosexuals are a minority.  Even in San Francisco for Gods sake.  Its not just a slight minority.  Its a gigantic one.  No matter where you go. 

 

Of course SOME gay people (not all) are so loud and in your face about it, in some places it may seem you're surrounded by them but thats really not the case. 

50%+1 ?  Seriously get real. 

  Unlight

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Posts: 2586

8/25/11 10:06:55 AM#57
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by apocalance

In the LGBT community, isn't the concept that people feel they're born one gender, but internally they're really another? And so if that's the case, in SWTOR, they can actually be that other gender, and so balance is restored. amiright? Not gay here, so I could be mistaken.

Seriously I cant tell you how many times Ive written this in response to this argument.  Or rather.....if you want same sex NPC relationships in Swtor please follow these directions: 

 

Create a Female character

Use character creation to modify this characters looks.  Give broad shoulders, flat chest, male haircut, and as male of a face as possible with no make up. 

Name character Fred.  George.  Tight Pants Henrico.  Bruno.  Whatever.  Any male name you like. 

Then role play as a male. 

 

You may now have your NPC same sex relationships.  Apparently this isnt good enough however, because the game may occasionally refer to you as a "beautiful woman" or something when you're actually trying to play as a gay guy.   Of COURSE its not friggin good enough.  Why the hell would it be?  That solution is far too simple.  The issue has got to be complicated.  People have got to be highly offended because they didnt put homosexuality into a STAR WARS game. {mod edit}

What if they want their character to have facial hair?

  aslan132

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8/25/11 10:06:55 AM#58

Honestly this is being blown way out of proportions. Look at how many games have gender locked classes. Sure theres threads there from people complaining that they cant play the gender they want with the class they want, but nothing ever comes of it. Either you accept the game for what it is, or you dont play it, simple as that. The LGBT community needs to get a grip on reality. The world isnt out to hurt you, sometimes you just have to accept that things are what they are, just as you want people to accept you for your choices.


Its a freaking video game. And its quite large, with millions of dollars gone into development, and alot of that has to do with voice acting, it aint cheap. If they choose to limit the work they have to do by narrowing the player choices, how is that anymore than limiting gender option in the first place? If you still want to RP a homosexual or bi-sexual, you can still find a same sex PC to have a relationship with. Noone is going to stop you from cybering anyone you want just like you can in any MMO. Get over yourself already, NPCs and companions are just another part of yourself, not another player, go roleplay with a player and enjoy the game for what it is.


  FastTx

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8/25/11 10:09:00 AM#59

To the people that think relationships and sex should be removed from this because it's a game need to reexamine what a game is. It is not the same thing now as the earlier days with pong and scrabble. Today roleplaying games are striving to become your "second life" and a way to escape from reality if it "sucks" for you. For those people they should cater for and if adding this type of story into SWTOR will make the experience more enjoyable then so be it. The fact that you cannot have gay relationships with your companions and you can have straight relationships is biased and tends to suggest how linear and acute this game is.

  Incomparable

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8/25/11 10:09:22 AM#60
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Star Wars is for children, they decided that Gay and Lesbian relationships aren't for children.  Thats ONE reason.

But why would a relationship between two women for example be damaging for a child, while a relationship between a guy and a woman wouldn't?

A child is expected to be like everyone else, or the masses. It offers the most 'conformity' to be the same. So people would want thier kid to fit in, rather than to be different, even if society 'accepts' them.

There are probably other reasons.

“Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”

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