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News & Features Discussion  » Star Wars: The Old Republic: Gamescom - A Massive Disappointment

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8/24/11 2:57:14 PM#141
Originally posted by MMO.Maverick
Originally posted by Fratman

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I think the majority of people who had the fortune of playing the game disagree with you, they had quite a lot of fun. However, everyone who has gotten burnt out on certain MMO gameplay aspects because of having played thousands and thousands of hours of MMO gaming in years before, I expect that their jadedness or MMO burn out won't just magically disappear when playing SWTOR: if people have become bored with current MMO's and can't really enjoy MMO gaming anymore as they used to, then this will still feel the same with SWTOR for them.


If someone is burned out by mmorpgs I dont think adding an active dodge to combat is going to make a difference, or events that roll back and forth depending on player interaction, sure they are great and awesome and next gen but a game changer? People should just realize to take a break, change genre a bit or wait for something like Firefall.


Another thing that in my opinion maybe affects most to this "burned out" state, is the setting, and that's why TSW will be good even if it's not so good quality, because it's dropping players to somewhere they have never been in mmorpgs, it will propably be the "biggest thing" in TSW. It helps TOR a bit too with a sci-fi setting, at least with me, I'm a bit burned out by the endless mages, elves, knights and so on, for a change I want to play a mmorpg where I can travel in space between planets and get shot by lazer rifles instead the spell X or the orcish axe I've been spammed at the last 10 years.


Yes, setting, sounds, visuals and all that is something I want to experience a bit different for a change to make it feel like I'm somewhere else than another sword n' board fantasy world, preferrably somewhere I have basic knowledge allready so I dont have to learn the lore from scratch, so yes, to me Bioware has a big advantage because of the setting and IP, no matter if it does not have revolutionary combat by active dodge or hotkey-bars that change your characters weapon in hand when you scroll them.


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8/24/11 3:07:47 PM#142

As a fellow Star Wars geek I am excited about SWTOR. If it's a great game out of the gate, super. Most MMOs are not. I believe the Devs are dedicated to the game so they will adjust or add as needed. If it sucks outt of the gate, which I doubt, I'll play it for a couple months and go back to SWGEMU. I played Rift for 2 months and it was fairly enjoyable untill the end game bottomed out for me.


I think between SWTOR and SWGEMU I'll be able to enjoy my gaming time like I haven't for years (only Aion has even held my attention).




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8/24/11 3:11:49 PM#143

Surprise surprise, another article slamming TOR. You'd almost think that was home to a lot of Sandbox fanboys who are bitter that TOR isn't SWG2.

Get over it. Your personal bitterness isn't going to stop people from buying the game, as much as you wish it would.


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8/24/11 3:24:47 PM#144

Personally I hope they're saving it for PAX and I actually prefer it that way.  Nothing against GamesCom but it's in Germany so most of the interviews and all are from English speaking Germans.  I was literally just watching a pretty good interview before coming here but between the background noise of GamesCom and the interviewers German accent I was struggling to follow it.  

Far as the flow of information, they often baffle me with some of the choices they make and what they show.  As you said, we're supposedly very close to launch, add to that they're supposedly doing a very expansive beta starting some time in September so the game will be open to lots of people anyway so I'm not sure why they're treating major feature info. like the games a year off.  Hell I don't even think they've given us an official list of all the races that will be playable at launch, that should certainly be nailed down at this point.  Character creation hasn't been shown at all, not even screen shots or a written description of it.

They still have me worried that we're going to see another release date pushback the way they're acting.  During the GamesCom press conference, the guy, Muzyka or whatever his name is said they'd be starting a few months of beta weekends in september.  Not sure if that was just a errant slip of the tongue or if beta weekends will actually last more than just September, if so, that makes a 2011 release a lot less likely.



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8/24/11 3:25:42 PM#145

Hmm, I don't know, I can see where you're coming from Mike - but there is another way to look at it. BioWare have said time and again that they won't talk abnout stuff til it's 100% concrete in the game. With beta ongoing (even if it's closed) the fact that they're talking less about things like the space game possibly (hopefully?) means that it's somehow being altered based on tester feedback, and not just that they're being close-mouthed.

The only thing I've seen them going back on was the recent teaser about companion kits and companion AI, and it would seem they have something up their sleeve there that could improve on what went before. Could be that the same thing is going on with the space game, or world PvP or any number of things. I know I'd rather have info that is not subject to change over info that's exciting one minute and outdated/obsolete the next.

And I love the idea of Huttball, seems like a great way to blow off some steam. It's a quirky take on capture the flag and just the kind of  entertainment you can see a hutt going for (Sarlaccs are just too static, really!). The trailer really cracked me up.

I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to MMOs and I think SW:TOR, GW2 and TSW all have aspects to them that could change how we perceive MMOs for the better, and even more than that they could provide entertainment for a wide swathe of players who are feeling like they've been there and done that a hundred times over already. I couldn't care less who is "king of the hill" as long as I'm having fun.


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8/24/11 3:40:23 PM#146

yeah, CGIs isn't gameplay..


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8/24/11 4:02:18 PM#147

i was everyday waching about new thing ins swotr and i thought you guys were doing new topics with large information,but after this topic i clearly understand that bioware didnot gave anything new except that idiot hutball match or whatever is it, i bet 90% will not play that death match,its even worth than AION DRedgion loooooooooooool.



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8/24/11 4:13:34 PM#148

As someone who is super excited for SWTOR, I pre-ordered a collector's edition and everything, I'm disappointed with what came out of Gamescon. I was hoping for something more interesting and revealing. I was hoping for a reveal of the Legacy System or maybe even a release date.

You can tell how successful SWTOR is at a convention because this site's hype-meter will fluctuate a few points up or down. This time, it is down. Maybe it'll go back up after PAX.

Come on Bioware! Give me something good for PAX!

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8/24/11 4:41:35 PM#149
About the lack of stuff shown at these conventions doesn't mean they won't be in game. Maybe bioware doesn't want to show EVERYTHING and keep alot of these other features a surprise for when the game launches. I have preordered 2 collectors versions as well and this does not bother me one bit, we have to stop making a big deal out of this.

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8/24/11 5:09:15 PM#150

Gamscom was Biowares Biggest showing since the reveal of the Deceived trailer to be honest, but you have to look deeper than the 15 min set and into the after set stuff, like where they show a full raid that actually downs the first big robot boss, a huttball match a few full Alderaan matches and a lot of origin world gameplay.


To call Gamescom a dissappointment seems to me to be the usual Agenda lead journalistic approach in that you know your audience (IE the majority of this site) want to hate the mainstream so lets pick it apart a bit and get lots tasty page views.


Fact is Gamescom was biowares biggest showing of NEW ToR information for a LONG LONG time.

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8/24/11 5:28:34 PM#151

blah blah blah...the buzz around this game is ridiculous and I find it hilarious that it has cause a divide amongst the MMO community. Look its one thing to blindly praise or trash talk a game, its another thing to have constructive criticism/concerns or general questions. But what it all comes down to, is when you play it, does it succeed in entertaining your play-style, so until that happens lets not praise this game as the next coming of Jesus, or say that it is a bastard step child of WoW.



Personally I feel (based on what I've seen and researched) this game will not appeal to my playstyle, but I will level a character from 1-50 just to experience what I think is the only appealing quality of this game, and thats the personal class story in the Old Republic universe....


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8/24/11 5:35:55 PM#152

Im not really convinced the game will release in 2011.  Im not saying it wont, but I do have doubts.  


Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt Bioware have a tendency to delay game releases?  Not that they've really announced a specific release date anyways, and really, if it were coming out this year, I really would have thought they would have. 


The fact that there's not a release date at this point to me is telling.  Plus the fact Bioware (as far as I remember) is notorious for pushing back games, has me thinking that release may be a bit farther away than many fans may think. 


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8/24/11 5:43:00 PM#153

Look we wont get a hard release date till they do there stress testing of servers in september. How people havent figured that out yet is beyond me. Bioware has pretty much stated that until they stress test servers they wont have any new info on release date or how many people per server. 

As far as world pvp we know they have zones even on pve servers on most planets that are pvp zones. We know that they have a whole planet at end game devoted to pvp on all types of servers. So we know world pvp is gonna be a  big thing with them we just havent figured out how they will implement it.

From what ive read they play on releasing that info at pax. If we dont find out more on world pvp at pax then be disappointed. Truth is i always expected gamescon to be mostly a rehash of what they revealed at comic con. 

So im not disappointed even though i want more info. And would love to see a friday update that details character creation. What species can be what classes would be nice as well. 

That said i think at pax will be a bigger deal to bioware then gamescon and thats nothing against europe, just that it feels like they put the us first as it looks like while they will do a release as close together as they can us will get released first before europe.

Not to mention europe has a few more game conventions bioware will be at in future.


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8/24/11 5:50:55 PM#154
Originally posted by Corehaven

Im not really convinced the game will release in 2011.  Im not saying it wont, but I do have doubts.  


Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt Bioware have a tendency to delay game releases?  Not that they've really announced a specific release date anyways, and really, if it were coming out this year, I really would have thought they would have. 


The fact that there's not a release date at this point to me is telling.  Plus the fact Bioware (as far as I remember) is notorious for pushing back games, has me thinking that release may be a bit farther away than many fans may think. 

regarding the release date, this is from the EA earning call last month and is about tor:


As we get into the bulk of the summer we're going to be ramping up our beta campaign and by the time we get to around September we'll be in a position to really call the ball give the hard ship date."


he one mistake we don't want to make is if there is an issue is to make sure that we ship the right product. We don't think that the long term ship window is going to change that. Most MMOs have been announced, in term of ship date, 4-8 weeks prior to introduction. That's fairly standard. "People have target quarters, but whether it's World of Warcraft, it was our last launch or Sony's last launch, 4-6 weeks is relatively typical. You usually want to have high-scale testing completed and under your belt before you open it up to the paying consumer because the paying consumer can be very harsh. They have high expectations: perfect performance. That's what we intend to provide at launch."


now to me this means they want to see how the beta weekend stress tests in september go to make sure there is no huge glaring problem from the big influx of players that would cause them to delay.  but that is just speculation on my part


edit:  now this isn't to say it won't get pushed to 2012 because even they have acknowledge that its a possiblity but as of right now they are still trageting 2011


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8/24/11 5:54:29 PM#155

I have the game pre ordered too, and your not wrong. I am a hugh star wars fan my cats name is Leia :) With that said I am not near as convinced as most that this game is going to be great, but I do hope I am wrong.


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8/24/11 5:55:23 PM#156

They have actually stated that. ON the dev blog they have answered questions on server populations and stuff and mentioned in everyone of them they wont know till after there stress tests in september. 

They will release holiday 2011 they arent gonna miss that target this game is close they just have to do some stress testing to find out if they have enough servers or not. 

Bioware wants the best launch ever if they can and they want a very smooth one. Im not saying it wont get delayed till 2012 but its highly unlikely. i think me and every body who pays attention figured a thanksgiving or early december release at latest . 

Im hoping for an october one but we can hope cant we.


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8/24/11 6:02:03 PM#157

People ran to make their preorders, they dont need to show anything more, the game is already sold. Thats why they droped the ball.

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8/24/11 6:02:27 PM#158
Originally posted by kalinis

They have actually stated that. ON the dev blog they have answered questions on server populations and stuff and mentioned in everyone of them they wont know till after there stress tests in september. 

They will release holiday 2011 they arent gonna miss that target this game is close they just have to do some stress testing to find out if they have enough servers or not. 

Bioware wants the best launch ever if they can and they want a very smooth one. Im not saying it wont get delayed till 2012 but its highly unlikely. i think me and every body who pays attention figured a thanksgiving or early december release at latest . 

Im hoping for an october one but we can hope cant we.

At the moment latest release is November 15th I believe. Revan novel is out then and they have said it won't come out before the game, it contains to many spoilers.


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8/24/11 6:12:19 PM#159

I didn't think they had a bad con at all at Gamescom. I was pleased with the info, at least. Maybe I just don't have an entitled attitude when it comes to game information and big reveals (I know I do for other things). Does there have to be a huge reveal at every con they visit? How long could they keep that up... ? I realize the game is about to come out, but they've released a ton of info in the past year already.

Of course I'm looking forward to major info releases like details on WPvP and the Legacy system and all the other magic buzzwords that us forum goers have recently latched onto to discuss, but I don't think they made a poor showing at this most recent con, not when they're attending another major convention a week later. It seems to me that they'd want to pace themselves.

Also, I think it was a pretty poor decision at best, a shameless grab for web traffic at worst, to start comparing SWTOR's showing to GW2. GW2 is playing catchup in the information release department in a lot of ways, and it didn't seem like they released all that much more info. You weren't thrilled with the info you got from Gamescom, that's all you really need to say without starting a pissing contest between the fans of both games here on the forums. That probably would have happened anyway, though... whatever, what do I know?


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8/24/11 6:42:31 PM#160

I don't feel like I need to know all of the details of the game before launch.  In fact, a few suprises will be nice.  At this point I just want to know when the damn thing is coming out.

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