Originally posted by Happyguy83

Player Base wise:

1.ToR at least in the west. People are getting bored of WoW and seeing how ToR is doing some new things unlike WAR RIFT AION ect ect, I think it will stick. 1-2 Million players in by the end of 2012.

2. WoW in the west, For at least another year or two if TOR ends up getting around a million subs I think it will cause a ripple effect in the WoW player base as WoW did when it came out. 1-2 million in the west by the end of 2012

3 eventually 2.GW2, Anet said they would be coming out (or rather I heard it on this forum) an x-pac every six months, I think this is a bad thing to do when trying to retain players. If the first one is any indicator we'll see no real drop off with player bases from other MMOs. .5-1.5 million ACTIVE players by the end of 2012.

456789: does it really matter?

 

Fact is people (including myself) are leaving WoW and going to play a new MMO and seeing how TOR is right there on the horizon I think it has a better chance then GW2 does when becoming the next top dog in the west.

 

You are saying you think ToR will have 1-2 million western players.  This is possible if the game is well done.  But I just dont see WoW dropping over half its western playerbase to meet that number.  Unless the expansion next summer sucks.

This will be the first expansion developed during a period of decline instead of growth.  i dont think blizzard is dumb enough to do status quo.  I guess well get more info at Blizzcon.

Oh and for those that question a WoW expansion next summer, there was a (leaked?) list of blizzard releases, which I believe is where Titan's name came from.  So far every single one has been spot on.  It says WoW xpac 4 q2 2012.  And both Titan and WoW xpac 5 q4 2013

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

About GW2, you can't live up to that hype... afterall, its still an MMO and not a holy grail.

 

Nevertheless, it will be the best MMO released since 2004... without any doubt.

 

It's nowhere near as hyped on any major gaming site.

Just because MMORPG is hyping it, doesn't mean anyone else is.  We get daily updates here, but every other site runs weekly stories on TOR and doesn't mention GW2.

If you insulate this site, it's huge, if you look anywhere else, a lot of people don't even know it is coming out.

please stop votong for games that arnt even released. Geez FFS! Goto amazon bestsellers, all the games listed arnt even released..people are mad, now the developers just release crap unready games cause idiots are prepared to pre-order, pre empt and accept useless rubbish!

Star Trek online should not even be in the top 100, game quality has taken a nose dive like the stock markets.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Happyguy83

Player Base wise:

1.ToR at least in the west. People are getting bored of WoW and seeing how ToR is doing some new things unlike WAR RIFT AION ect ect, I think it will stick. 1-2 Million players in by the end of 2012.

2. WoW in the west, For at least another year or two if TOR ends up getting around a million subs I think it will cause a ripple effect in the WoW player base as WoW did when it came out. 1-2 million in the west by the end of 2012

3 eventually 2.GW2, Anet said they would be coming out (or rather I heard it on this forum) an x-pac every six months, I think this is a bad thing to do when trying to retain players. If the first one is any indicator we'll see no real drop off with player bases from other MMOs. .5-1.5 million ACTIVE players by the end of 2012.

456789: does it really matter?

 

Fact is people (including myself) are leaving WoW and going to play a new MMO and seeing how TOR is right there on the horizon I think it has a better chance then GW2 does when becoming the next top dog in the west.

 

You are saying you think ToR will have 1-2 million western players.  This is possible if the game is well done.  But I just dont see WoW dropping over half its western playerbase to meet that number.  Unless the expansion next summer sucks.

 

This will be the first expansion developed during a period of decline instead of growth.  i dont think blizzard is dumb enough to do status quo.  I guess well get more info at Blizzcon.

 

Oh and for those that question a WoW expansion next summer, there was a (leaked?) list of blizzard releases, which I believe is where Titan's name came from.  So far every single one has been spot on.  It says WoW xpac 4 q2 2012.  And both Titan and WoW xpac 5 q4 2013

First: Because a person has a game subscription with one game, doesn't mean another game has to lose one. I personally have multiple games going at once and play them all, max out, raid, etc.

Second: WoW has lost over 900 thousand members in the last two quarters alone. That's almost a million and that already covers your low end. They tried to claim it was because of a gap in content, but they still lost members even after their content releases. It's not as unlikely as you may think.

Originally posted by felbladex

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Happyguy83

Player Base wise:

1.ToR at least in the west. People are getting bored of WoW and seeing how ToR is doing some new things unlike WAR RIFT AION ect ect, I think it will stick. 1-2 Million players in by the end of 2012.

2. WoW in the west, For at least another year or two if TOR ends up getting around a million subs I think it will cause a ripple effect in the WoW player base as WoW did when it came out. 1-2 million in the west by the end of 2012

3 eventually 2.GW2, Anet said they would be coming out (or rather I heard it on this forum) an x-pac every six months, I think this is a bad thing to do when trying to retain players. If the first one is any indicator we'll see no real drop off with player bases from other MMOs. .5-1.5 million ACTIVE players by the end of 2012.

456789: does it really matter?

 

Fact is people (including myself) are leaving WoW and going to play a new MMO and seeing how TOR is right there on the horizon I think it has a better chance then GW2 does when becoming the next top dog in the west.

 

You are saying you think ToR will have 1-2 million western players.  This is possible if the game is well done.  But I just dont see WoW dropping over half its western playerbase to meet that number.  Unless the expansion next summer sucks.

 

This will be the first expansion developed during a period of decline instead of growth.  i dont think blizzard is dumb enough to do status quo.  I guess well get more info at Blizzcon.

 

Oh and for those that question a WoW expansion next summer, there was a (leaked?) list of blizzard releases, which I believe is where Titan's name came from.  So far every single one has been spot on.  It says WoW xpac 4 q2 2012.  And both Titan and WoW xpac 5 q4 2013

First: Because a person has a game subscription with one game, doesn't mean another game has to lose one. I personally have multiple games going at once and play them all, max out, raid, etc.

 

Second: WoW has lost over 900 thousand members in the last two quarters alone. That's almost a million and that already covers your low end. They tried to claim it was because of a gap in content, but they still lost members even after their content releases. It's not as unlikely as you may think.

 

I was talking western subs, which are somewhere in the 5 million neighbourhood as opposed to the full 12 million.

And as shocking as that 900k seems, its still only 7%.  So they lose 7% off a poorly received expansion.   I bet there are *very* few MMORPGs that havent seen a 7% dip this year.  Rift certainly lost a lot more than 7% after its first month.  Lotro, eq2, eq1, aion, etc...all those games are trending down in subs.  EvE was the one game always rising but Im not sure if thats still the case.  Oh, and AoC is actually supposedly growing is only slightly.

So basically WoW is just losing subs at a fairly normal rate.  Its just notable because its the first time its happened and the numbers are so big because the player base is so big.

Also, the 2nd quarter numbers do not cover their content releases.  While 4.1 happened in the 2nd quarter, it was late into it so its impact would show more in q3 anyway.  4.2 was in q3.

Originally posted by Cognito

Haha it always ends up in a WOW argument...

 

Well its kind of appropriate here at least.

I just think its kind of funny how people think a 7.5% drop in subs is the end of the world.  

It looks like its actually a good thing as blizzard seems to realize change would be a good thing.  With deathwing raid out soon it seems like they are wisely getting Cataclysm behind them and moving on.  And also tackling long standing player wants (appearance gear).

Originally posted by teakbois

I just think its kind of funny how people think a 7.5% drop in subs is the end of the world. 

TBH if my company lost 7.5% of it's paying customers... the upper management would be out for blood.

But i'm feeling that Blizzard will handle it well and will come out better at the end. It's a wakeup call to their management that something went wrong at the core and needs to be changed. If they manage to fix the problems with cataclysm without messing up the good things about it i think they can easily recover what they lost and get even more players.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

About GW2, you can't live up to that hype... afterall, its still an MMO and not a holy grail.

 

Nevertheless, it will be the best MMO released since 2004... without any doubt.

 

No. Just no. It will, however, probably be the best game launched that week. Which is still something.

Whahahaha wow number 1?

Wow did lose 900k player over the past 6 months, it's dying, I gained a big rofl when I saw wow on number 1.

Originally posted by arbacus

1. wow

2. tor

3. tera

4. gw2

5. eve

6. secret world

7. archage

8. aion

9. eq2

10. aoc

 

 I agree with this list.

FF14 ahead of Rift ahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahah

Originally posted by flyforshine

Whahahaha wow number 1?

Wow did lose 900k player over the past 6 months, it's dying, I gained a big rofl when I saw wow on number 1.

When 2012 hits it will be number 1.  It'll have the most subs of any other game out there.  And it may very well for years to come.  So why are you laughing?  Its completely valid. 

And no Im not a WoW fanboy.  I havent played for years. 

I'm suprised The Secret World isn't on there.  A completely different setting along with some intresting mechanics like puzzles or riddles.  And lol at World of Darkness, a game with zero info on besides a title.

1-3 I'd say WoW, ToR, and GW2 and not in that order.  All it's gonna be is a GW2 vs ToR flame thread of who is #1 besides WoW.

3-6 I would say The Secret World, Terra or ArchAge, Rift which Rift might plummet with ToR and GW2

However one game that no one talks about which I think might quite possible be a top 6-10 category is Neverwinter due end of 2012.  I think this is the true sleeper.  With Atari losing their D&D digital licensing many are hoping a new golden age of D&D digital franchise which Atari has thuroughly butchered.  Curse it's being sold as it's not an MMO but people call DDO an MMO which both have the exact same lvl of social setting, only real difference is Neverwinter will not have large group raid encounters but instead what you get in a DM session of 4-6 size parties.

Funcom's been oddly low key about TSW.  Makes me wonder if they're planning a last minute hype surge, rather than a long dragged out hype campaign like most seem to be doing these days.  After seeing some of latest on it, I think its going to be bigger than people realize.  Maybe not as big as GW2 or TOR (at launch), but possibly taking 3rd place.  Er, 4th, if you count WoW.

Tera almost definately behind TSW.  Hard to say where Archeage will fall, since they don't seem to marketting it in this country - do they even have a publisher for the US?  Then there's NCSoft's other MMOs, Wildstar and Blade&Soul - aren't they due in 2012, also?

Filling out the rest of the list, we'll have Aion, AoC, Rift, and even LOTRO.  Maybe some other aging MMOs that are sill hanging on,  that I'm forgetting.  Around the #10 position, but maybe not quite making the list.

Originally posted by Vhaln

Funcom's been oddly low key about TSW.  Makes me wonder if they're planning a last minute hype surge, rather than a long dragged out hype campaign like most seem to be doing these days.  After seeing some of latest on it, I think its going to be bigger than people realize.  Maybe not as big as GW2 or TOR (at launch), but possibly taking 3rd place.  Er, 4th, if you count WoW.

 

Tera almost definately behind TSW.  Hard to say where Archeage will fall, since they don't seem to marketting it in this country - do they even have a publisher for the US?  Then there's NCSoft's other MMOs, Wildstar and Blade&Soul - aren't they due in 2012, also?

my thoughts exactly, looks like they don't want to hype it like AoC...

it is the secret world, it should be secret right?

they were in gamescon and just revealed a little about the warzones PvP and a badass demonstration of the dynamic lighting mechanic in the game.

http://www.dealspwn.com/secret-world-preview-secret-anymore-74519

Diablo 3

I'm going to say that I do think guild wars 2 will be in the top 4 by the end of 2012. From what we have seen of it, there's no real indication to think it would be a flop, unlike some other recent titles. Yes pvp is a smaller percentage of the market, but GW2 does look to have a much better pve experience than its predecessor so I do have hope for it yet.

As for FFXIV, I have to say that for how much people say everyone was blind for not seeing that it was going to be a failure, are probably equally blind to see that it could easily come in the top 10 for 2012. There isn't too much competition really at this point, it sold an enormous number of boxes at release, and based on what we can see is coming in the next patch, the game will be ready to take subscriptions soon. It truly grew into the game it should have been at launch, and when it releases for the PS3, it will take in all of those extra sales specifically in Japan where most of the FFXI players there play on console. FFXI was a failure when it released for the first year and a half also, and I would not be surprised in XIV turned around just like it.