Originally posted by Dvalon

I in all honesty think and beleieve that wow has held so many players for so long now simply because it does not need a NASA grade computer to run it, while other newer games like RIFT and others have required people to upgrade their hardware.

 

There is a lot to be said for dumbinb down a games graphics so that it runs on millions more computers than having a higher base system spec and only being able to run on a few hundred thousand.

Maybe you can get the Guild Wars 2 fans to understand this because I sure as hell can not. WoW is successful because it is accesible to millions of people.  This is a pretty damn major feature and adding in stuff to allow your game to be played on even the most Ghetto computer is reqired.

WoW will have players for a long time yet but not the huge player base we see today and have seen in the past. I mean we have SWTOR, GW2, ArcheAge, TERA, Diablo 3 (I know it's the same company) and I could go on. Lots of good ones coming that are going to keep tapping those nails into that rather large coffin of WoW. I'm not seeing any negatives in the near future! :D

Originally posted by Dvalon

I would love to say Archeage is the game to kill off the themepark casual crap that wow now is but sadly due to its graphics quality a vast number of people wont be able to run it,

I've taken a look at Archeage, it is basically promising all the things Horizons did with a bunch of stuff from Darkfall. I'm glad to see that there are still enough nieve youthful people out there that believe a game with that type of feature list is actually possible with modern technology.

Originally posted by Dvalon

I would love to say Archeage is the game to kill off the themepark casual crap that wow now is but sadly due to its graphics quality a vast number of people wont be able to run it, SWTOR does not suffer from this as they have opted for the same stylish cartoonesque art style as wow and are thus able to lower system requirements, meaning a lot more people will be able to play.

agree on many things you say, but not on this, i really hope Archeage won't be the game to kill WOW and clones, 'cause that means it will be a "dumb" mix of themepark/sandbox..and i still have hope (yes not much i admit it) that might be better :)

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Goatgod76

I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.

Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Dvalon

I in all honesty think and beleieve that wow has held so many players for so long now simply because it does not need a NASA grade computer to run it, while other newer games like RIFT and others have required people to upgrade their hardware.

 

There is a lot to be said for dumbinb down a games graphics so that it runs on millions more computers than having a higher base system spec and only being able to run on a few hundred thousand.

Maybe you can get the Guild Wars 2 fans to understand this because I sure as hell can not. WoW is successful because it is accesible to millions of people.  This is a pretty damn major feature and adding in stuff to allow your game to be played on even the most Ghetto computer is reqired.

GW2 runs on graphic cars that are no longer for sale on the market, point moot

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Originally posted by tochicool
(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.
Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft. They have the resources thanks to their dummy subscribers. ¬_¬

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Originally posted by Dvalon

WoW is indeed dying

It's also why their now working on TITAN, and have said in public that they themselves with Titan want to be the game/developer to beat wow inot a pulp and take all its players

Blizzard never said that - here's a link to what they said

http://www.titanguru.com/page/index/_/articles/titan-will-not-compete-with-wow-r10

As to our new unannounced game, we believe that it will be more complementary than competitive.

And while people do have a limited amount of free time that they can devote to these types of games, we do think that people will want to check out the new and the old. We think the new one is very compelling and is going to capture a lot of hearts and minds and will be very successful for us. But we also believe that many people will continue playing World of Warcraft because they have such a huge collection of friends and community.

We all know just how much time a game like WoW can consume, and one would be enclined to worry about whether or not we’d be forced to choose between one and the other? As a former WoWhead myself, I know there wouldn’t be time to play both WoW and an additional MMO.

and its been announced that Titan will be a casual mmo

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/06/blizzards-secret-titan-project-labeled-a-new-casual-mmo/

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by tochicool
(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.
Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft. They have the resources thanks to their dummy subscribers. ¬_¬

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Even if WoW lost half their playerbase, the game would still have more subscribers than any other mmorpg out there. It would also generate more money every month than pretty much any other game out there. It's going to be 'forever' before WoW dies, and if it did it wouldn't matter anyway because Blizzard has made so much money off of that one game.

Blizzard has started up a new game, code named "Titan". It will probably release in 20 years or so given Blizzard's usual development cycle.

According to Blizzard, there will be no World of Starcraft. There is an independent developer out there using the mod tools for SCII making an MMO out of the game though.

 

 Lost half ? No sorry but that is alot of exaggerating there.

WoW will only be dead once it's servers are shut down.

Until that happens, there will always be a great deal of people playing it, no matter how old and tired it gets. This has been true for less successful titles that have come before it.

But WoW has more or less passed its glory days, even now before the next batch of MMOs come out.

The game has become rather stagnant. The community is made up mostly of people who seem to get off on complaining. The new content feels like it's being reused over and over. Blah blah blah.

And because WoW's engine can only do so much, be a bit over the hill at this point, there's really not much more they can do in terms of spicing the game up as a whole.

WoW certainly isn't dead, and not even really that desperate to be honest. The amount of money Blizz gets from subscribers is still ludicrous. But WoW is staggering, just a bit, and once these new titles hit the shelves, you'll probably see a massive exodus from WoW. In the end, WoW is just getting old. People just aren't that interested anymore.

Originally posted by UnleadedRev

I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read  on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars.

I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point.

What do you think?

Many people often leave a game to try out something new, some will stick with the new, some will go back to that they have invested allot of time in and still feel it's a fun game.

Also this flood of updates: Last was Patch 4.2. on 06/28/2011, the patch before Patch 4.1: on 4/26/2011 and before that one Patch 4.0: 10/10/2010

And ofcourse there are many players that just play anything with the MMO tag on it.

So I am not sure why people think that WoW is getting desperate or some even seem to think it's dying. Cause all I see is a logical course of action that happens to any MMORPG, but for some reason people can't stand the fact that WoW has such high sub numbers, so they try to make topics like this which actually shows us nothing.

Lets just hope that what ever games is released or still is being played that our fellow gamers enjoy themselfs.

There are no "my game is better," there are just games that some like and some might dislike.

This kind of threads have been going on for like 6 or 7 years now.

I guess they will just keep making them till eventually wow dies, and then they will pretend they guessed it right on the first try.

Sigh

I'm contrarian on this one.  I believe that SW:TORs release will *IMPROVE* WoW's community.

$%^& flows down-hill.  The more problems that leave WoW for SW:TOR the fewer problems WoW will have.  Dedicated WoW players (adults) aren't going to leave their home because of a new game.  They haven't yet, and if Cata didn't drive them off then certainly nothing is going to.

Frankly this could be very good for WoW.

Now if we could just convince them to stop nerfing the stuffins out of our PVE toons, we'd be all set.

Agree with this entire thread as long as our definitions are:

• Dying means having more subscribers 10 years from now than half the MMORPGs on the market at that time. (Like EQ1, but better)
• Desperate means another 10 long years of updates to slow subscriber bleed (when most games would die off completely and stop updating.)

Originally posted by ActionMMORPG

I'm contrarian on this one.  I believe that SW:TORs release will *IMPROVE* WoW's community.

 

$%^& flows down-hill.  The more problems that leave WoW for SW:TOR the fewer problems WoW will have.  Dedicated WoW players (adults) aren't going to leave their home because of a new game.  They haven't yet, and if Cata didn't drive them off then certainly nothing is going to.

 

Frankly this could be very good for WoW.

 

Now if we could just convince them to stop nerfing the stuffins out of our PVE toons, we'd be all set.

 The problem with your theory is that SWTor is a true RPG, with decisions that change the world and the way the story folds to your character. It has loads of conversations that require answers since they shape your reputations. It would be much much more complex to play than WoW, especially to players wich are not native english speakers, this representes a great ammount of wow players.

In my point of view, the "kids", the elitist and most of the morons who only see "EPIC LOOTZ" and "RAIDZZZ TONIGHTZZ" wont have the patience to invest on SWTor, and this are the ones who will remain on WoW, not the adult, casual, RPG gamer. Unfortunately from where I see it, the "shi*" is whats gonna remain mainly in wow, with exceptions ofc.

WoW as indeed peaked, and I dont expect anything new to come from that side, and neither does Blizzard im afraid, their best writers/programmers are already working on the Titan project, and I think that shows alot...

Originally posted by Axehilt

WOW has peaked

im not fully convinced

yes WOW is seeing losses but they are also still expanding internationally

WOW launched locally in brazil last month

http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/07/22/fully-localized-wow-launching-in-brazil/

Originally posted by Nadia

im not fully convinced

yes WOW is seeing losses but they are also still expanding internationally

 

WOW launched locally in brazil last month

http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/07/22/fully-localized-wow-launching-in-brazil/

High pop servers in Brazil do nothing for North American low pop servers.

Originally posted by Puremallace

High pop servers in Brazil do nothing for North American low pop servers.

I agree but sub counts are world wide -- not just NA / EU

WOW is still expanding is all im saying

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Axehilt

WOW has peaked

im not fully convinced

yes WOW is seeing losses but they are also still expanding internationally

 

WOW launched locally in brazil last month

http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/07/22/fully-localized-wow-launching-in-brazil/

 

 

 

 Not to mention that Brazil, being a third world country, and I dont mean no disrespect to Brazil, im Portuguese, we speak the same language =P, doesnt have money to maintain the same profits that the other zones maintain. The monthly fee there is around 13 Reais, wich is something like 3 or 4 Euros month, roughly the same in dollars, so, the ammount of profit Blizz makes there is much less that the one they make in US and here in Europe. Around 33% of the value.

So while they loose 300k subs in US/EU they must make almost a million to meet the same profit, or else there will be a loss. And Brazil is very known for their private pirated servers, and not to pay for games

I can assure you, Star Wars will not kill WoW.