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General Discussion  » They gimped the Tiger tank in this game...Just an FYI.

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  Domesto

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Joined: 12/01/05
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OP  7/24/11 1:59:41 PM#41
Originally posted by eric_w66

 Lay off the history channel.

 

Eyewitness accounts and topnotch historians are not good enough for you? I guess people should believe some random persons post on the Internet over them eh?

  ragnar705

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Joined: 7/17/11
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7/24/11 9:41:00 PM#42

Actually, I screwed up when I posted my numbers.  The KV damage average is accurate (380 per battle), but my Tiger I average is about 700.  Still embarassingly low, but higher than what I posted.

I think your guess is also right about *why* the developers seem to alternate "good tank / bad tank" on the various trees.

In general, it seems the developers have made *many* fudges to real-life performance in order to "equalize" game play.  Personally, I'd like to see more historical accuracy with performance.  To "equalize" game play, perhaps they could have made the Tiger much more expensive than, say, the T34.  And that, of course, would be completely historically accurate.

I guess I just don't like the way they seem to have gimped some tanks and invented others just to deliver what they feel is a fun gaming experience.  If that was the single most important factor to them, then I think I would have preferred to just fight in generic vehicles without any reference to historic vehicles at all.

  Daffid011

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7/24/11 11:10:39 PM#43

They could make the Tiger (or any tank) be a dominant force as it was in history and make it cost more to achieve, but eventually everyone would gravitate towards it and it would dominate the play field. 

The longer the grind the more people that would quit as the uber tank becomes seen as manditory to be competitive. 

 

 

  comicaze

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Joined: 3/26/10
Posts: 148

7/25/11 9:06:35 AM#44
Originally posted by ragnar705

In general, it seems the developers have made *many* fudges to real-life performance in order to "equalize" game play.  Personally, I'd like to see more historical accuracy with performance.  To "equalize" game play, perhaps they could have made the Tiger much more expensive than, say, the T34.  And that, of course, would be completely historically accurate.

As someone said before, they would need to let swarms of T-34s against each Tiger in every match to make it completely historically accurate.

  StealthBomb

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7/25/11 9:10:01 PM#45

The Tiger is gimped but not so much because of its armor, or even by the way that the devs calculate armor penetration. The real problem with the Tiger in game is twofold.

 

First, in real life, Tigers fought T34s and Shermans. But in the game, T34 and Sherman are Tier 5 tanks while the Tiger is a Tier 7. So instead of its historical enemies, the poor Tiger ends up fighting mythical tanks from its future.

 

Second, you have engagement range. In this game you don't see Tigers vaporizing targets from outside the effective engagement range of its enemies. Tank battles in this game are fought mostly at what would have been considered crazy close quarters, thus nullifying one of the Tiger's edges.

 

I also question whether the comparitively low damage of the 88 is at all accurate. It's famous for a reason which doesn't seem to exist in this game. Still, the accuracy and rate of fire make it serviceable.

 

Now, on those rare occasions when the matchmaker actually gives you a Tier 7 match, you'll find that you are pretty badass if you play to the strengths of the tank as modeled in the game. You can still hit very accurately from what passes for long range in this game, and you can take a punch. That's a pretty decent combo.

 

Most of the time however, you'll be a second-class citizen in Tier 8 (read: mythical Tier 8 premium tanks that are better than real Tier 8s) fights, with a smattering of Tier 9 and Tier 10 fights.

  comicaze

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7/26/11 8:32:56 AM#46
Originally posted by StealthBomb

The Tiger is gimped but not so much because of its armor, or even by the way that the devs calculate armor penetration. The real problem with the Tiger in game is twofold.

 

First, in real life, Tigers fought T34s and Shermans. But in the game, T34 and Sherman are Tier 5 tanks while the Tiger is a Tier 7. So instead of its historical enemies, the poor Tiger ends up fighting mythical tanks from its future.

I heard rumors (devs info?) about introduction of  historical battle game mode in future, so you would be able to fight tanks of the respective age only.

Update: found it

"- Historical battle. Faction-based battles with restrictions on vehicles and modules available.
Status: in development and gameplay testing, planned for release this year."

 

Originally posted by StealthBomb

Second, you have engagement range. In this game you don't see Tigers vaporizing targets from outside the effective engagement range of its enemies. Tank battles in this game are fought mostly at what would have been considered crazy close quarters, thus nullifying one of the Tiger's edges.

 

I also question whether the comparitively low damage of the 88 is at all accurate. It's famous for a reason which doesn't seem to exist in this game. Still, the accuracy and rate of fire make it serviceable.

 

Now, on those rare occasions when the matchmaker actually gives you a Tier 7 match, you'll find that you are pretty badass if you play to the strengths of the tank as modeled in the game. You can still hit very accurately from what passes for long range in this game, and you can take a punch. That's a pretty decent combo.

 

Most of the time however, you'll be a second-class citizen in Tier 8 (read: mythical Tier 8 premium tanks that are better than real Tier 8s) fights, with a smattering of Tier 9 and Tier 10 fights.

It really looks like you should find and play a tank simulator, not an mmofps/rpg hybrid game.

  eric_w66

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 1009

7/26/11 1:21:28 PM#47
Originally posted by Domesto
Originally posted by eric_w66

 Lay off the history channel.

 

Eyewitness accounts and topnotch historians are not good enough for you? I guess people should believe some random persons post on the Internet over them eh?

 Most allied tankers in europe would call every tank they saw a "Tiger". Even the PZ4's. History channel likes dramatic stories, and they tell them. They are not always very factual however. If you really want grognard views of things, try the ww2 online forums where the whining over the Tiger makes this seem trivial. They whine about the paint job, they whine about the fact it doesn't have the later commander's cupola, they whine about how shattergap isn't modeled (Does any WoT player even know what that is?).

Those grognards will be more than happy to provide the real ww2 research to prove their points of view. Lets just say if you were to mention "History Channel" as your source, you'd be laughed off the forum.

  Baffa

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Joined: 8/10/04
Posts: 38

8/18/11 5:30:53 PM#48

The armor is what is, or what is was but the 88 was the one of the most fearsome weapon for all allied tankers, which is not modelled correctly in WoT. Tiger = steel coffin. (In WoT)

  GrumpyMel2

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Joined: 3/24/09
Posts: 1824

8/26/11 1:49:44 PM#49

Yeah the game only has a very casual relationship with WWII history.

The reality is that the Tiger which first saw action in '42 was a monster of a tank.....and 1and 1 dominated pretty much all of it's potential oposition. Though it was NOT impregnable (in it's first combat action in the West, 3 Tigers were knocked out by British 6 pounder AT guns).

At the start of it's career it's main opponents in the West would have been Lee/Grants, Crusader II's and Valentines (the latter 2 might well even have still been equiped with 2 pounders). Even by '44 most of the Allied tanks were still completely outclassed by the Tiger. By D-Day, most Shermans were still only equiped with short-barreled 75's (which couldn't penetrate the frontal armor at ANY range and could only penetrate the side with a well placed shot at 100m) . Only 1 in 5 US tanks were equiped were equiped with 76mm's at the time.

What did the German armour in was logistics. Tanks like the Tiger and Panther, no matter how well they performed individualy were very complicated machines to build, run & maintain. They were tough to manufacture in quantity and and even tougher to keep running in the field as they were prone to frequent breakdowns. That meant that the Germans never had enough of them in the field to counter the Allies...and those they had operating were in constant danger of air attack.

I think the Allied Command estimated that it took at least 5 Shermans to counter a single Tiger. Thing is, the Allies usualy showed up with something like 10, supported by  tank hunter infantry teams with bazookas,  FO's to call in artillery support and a couple P-47's on standby just in case.

Not sure how you'd really go about representing something like that in a game like WoT.

 

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