Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Gee! I pe'od everyone so much? I'm sorry about that. I don't think anyone understood my point.

I would rather give my hard earned dollars to a company that has at least "TRIED" to keep their prices down.(And is trying to draw in the "now" available middleaged.) But if I have to pay a little extra for them to remain competitve with the largest...and most painful moneysuckers in mmorpg history!...I'm paying a little extra. Can't be worse than having your account hacked, right?

I'm not mad.  I understood your point.  (Though you could probably work on your punctuation a little bit, that does make it hard to follow the flow sometimes)  I just think you're wrong.

... if you want to support GW2, just buy 15 dollars worth of stuff a month.  Buy T-shirts or something if you don't want extra character slots.  Give them out as Christmas gifts!

I'll be using the cash shop, just to support them.  I've already bought the books.  I'll probably buy at least 2 copies of the game (At least 1 of which will be a collector's edition) as well, maybe more.

Also, charging more money doesn't automatically make you more money.  That's not the way it works.

If it worked that way, they'd just charge 150 million a month and make a fortune. :T

 I didn't know I was up against the NEA Meowland...Me against a bunch of teachers! I lose...(Punctuation..etc..)

I would cash in to the cash shop...but my daughter wearing tons of GW2 gear might be cool at first...but in the end...I would lose again.

150 million a month? B. Gates would be playing by himself...:)

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Gee! I pe'od everyone so much? I'm sorry about that. I don't think anyone understood my point.

I would rather give my hard earned dollars to a company that has at least "TRIED" to keep their prices down.(And is trying to draw in the "now" available middleaged.) But if I have to pay a little extra for them to remain competitve with the largest...and most painful moneysuckers in mmorpg history!...I'm paying a little extra. Can't be worse than having your account hacked, right?

I'm not mad.  I understood your point.  (Though you could probably work on your punctuation a little bit, that does make it hard to follow the flow sometimes)  I just think you're wrong.

... if you want to support GW2, just buy 15 dollars worth of stuff a month.  Buy T-shirts or something if you don't want extra character slots.  Give them out as Christmas gifts!

I'll be using the cash shop, just to support them.  I've already bought the books.  I'll probably buy at least 2 copies of the game (At least 1 of which will be a collector's edition) as well, maybe more.

Also, charging more money doesn't automatically make you more money.  That's not the way it works.

If it worked that way, they'd just charge 150 million a month and make a fortune. :T

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Gee! I pe'od everyone so much? I'm sorry about that. I don't think anyone understood my point.

I would rather give my hard earned dollars to a company that has at least "TRIED" to keep their prices down.(And is trying to draw in the "now" available middleaged.) But if I have to pay a little extra for them to remain competitve with the largest...and most painful moneysuckers in mmorpg history!...I'm paying a little extra. Can't be worse than having your account hacked, right?

I'm not mad.  I understood your point.  (Though you could probably work on your punctuation a little bit, that does make it hard to follow the flow sometimes)  I just think you're wrong.

... if you want to support GW2, just buy 15 dollars worth of stuff a month.  Buy T-shirts or something if you don't want extra character slots.  Give them out as Christmas gifts!

I'll be using the cash shop, just to support them.  I've already bought the books.  I'll probably buy at least 2 copies of the game (At least 1 of which will be a collector's edition) as well, maybe more.

Oops...acidentally pressed a button twice.

Also, charging more money doesn't automatically make you more money.  That's not the way it works.

If it worked that way, they'd just charge 150 million a month and make a fortune. :T

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Gee! I pe'od everyone so much? I'm sorry about that. I don't think anyone understood my point.

I would rather give my hard earned dollars to a company that has at least "TRIED" to keep their prices down.(And is trying to draw in the "now" available middleaged.) But if I have to pay a little extra for them to remain competitve with the largest...and most painful moneysuckers in mmorpg history!...I'm paying a little extra. Can't be worse than having your account hacked, right?

I'm not mad.  I understood your point.  (Though you could probably work on your punctuation a little bit, that does make it hard to follow the flow sometimes)  I just think you're wrong.

... if you want to support GW2, just buy 15 dollars worth of stuff a month.  Buy T-shirts or something if you don't want extra character slots.  Give them out as Christmas gifts!

I'll be using the cash shop, just to support them.  I've already bought the books.  I'll probably buy at least 2 copies of the game (At least 1 of which will be a collector's edition) as well, maybe more.

Also, charging more money doesn't automatically make you more money.  That's not the way it works.

If it worked that way, they'd just charge 150 million a month and make a fortune. :T

 I didn't know I was up against the NEA Meowland...Me against a bunch of teachers! I lose...(Punctuation..etc..)

I would cash in to the cash shop...but my daughter wearing tons of GW2 gear might be cool at first...but in the end...I would lose again.

150 million a month? B. Gates would be playing by himself...:)

 Wait, so tephtatis, you are mad that you are not paying a monthly fee. And how would you lose again? Did you know, that guildwars cashshop has costumes for your ONLINE character/avatar to wear? So no, you dont have to by physical objects and get your poor duaghter to wear them.

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by tepthtanis

Gee! I pe'od everyone so much? I'm sorry about that. I don't think anyone understood my point.

I would rather give my hard earned dollars to a company that has at least "TRIED" to keep their prices down.(And is trying to draw in the "now" available middleaged.) But if I have to pay a little extra for them to remain competitve with the largest...and most painful moneysuckers in mmorpg history!...I'm paying a little extra. Can't be worse than having your account hacked, right?

I'm not mad.  I understood your point.  (Though you could probably work on your punctuation a little bit, that does make it hard to follow the flow sometimes)  I just think you're wrong.

... if you want to support GW2, just buy 15 dollars worth of stuff a month.  Buy T-shirts or something if you don't want extra character slots.  Give them out as Christmas gifts!

I'll be using the cash shop, just to support them.  I've already bought the books.  I'll probably buy at least 2 copies of the game (At least 1 of which will be a collector's edition) as well, maybe more.

Also, charging more money doesn't automatically make you more money.  That's not the way it works.

If it worked that way, they'd just charge 150 million a month and make a fortune. :T

 I didn't know I was up against the NEA Meowland...Me against a bunch of teachers! I lose...(Punctuation..etc..)

I would cash in to the cash shop...but my daughter wearing tons of GW2 gear might be cool at first...but in the end...I would lose again.

150 million a month? B. Gates would be playing by himself...:)

 Wait, so tephtatis, you are mad that you are not paying a monthly fee. And how would you lose again? Did you know, that guildwars cashshop has costumes for your ONLINE character/avatar to wear? So no, you dont have to by physical objects and get your poor duaghter to wear them.

What? I don't understand?

 

Originally posted by SanHor

Originally posted by Ablestron

Im sorry, but Your missing the point. As long as Guild Wars 2 does not have a monthly fee, it will never be a true competator with any other Pay 2 play model. Because the only reason MMO's have to compete against each other is because of monthly fees.

Quite the opposite. Most players focus on one MMO at a time meaning that so long as they play GW2 they wont be paying fees for other MMOs.

Also, don't underestimate GW2 because it doesn't look like another mediocre B2P MMO around the corner (or cRPG like GW1), and if it ends up being the best MMO choice of 2012 it might change the general attitutde towards P2P models in the future.

Ofc this is only my opinion, but the way I see it GW2 is the greatest competitor to all other AAA titles specificaly for being a B2P.

Im not against GW2 at all and I wasnt bashing its model at all either. 

And it doesnt matter wether or not people cancel their subs after trying Guild Wars 2, because many of them would never buy the game if it hadnt been Buy to play. So because its buy to play many MMO players will buy it in order to test it out, due to this the only ones trying to compete will be other MMO's trying to hold on to their subs, but Guild Wars 2 wont have to worry about competing with other P2P MMO's at all. 

Also with Guild Wars 2's gameplay and leveling curve, many MMO players who are commited to other games will be able to progress in the game on the side over time, while still maintaining their subscribtions to the MMO they have been playing.

Originally posted by Ablestron

Originally posted by SanHor

Originally posted by Ablestron

Im sorry, but Your missing the point. As long as Guild Wars 2 does not have a monthly fee, it will never be a true competator with any other Pay 2 play model. Because the only reason MMO's have to compete against each other is because of monthly fees.

Quite the opposite. Most players focus on one MMO at a time meaning that so long as they play GW2 they wont be paying fees for other MMOs.

Also, don't underestimate GW2 because it doesn't look like another mediocre B2P MMO around the corner (or cRPG like GW1), and if it ends up being the best MMO choice of 2012 it might change the general attitutde towards P2P models in the future.

Ofc this is only my opinion, but the way I see it GW2 is the greatest competitor to all other AAA titles specificaly for being a B2P.

Im not against GW2 at all and I wasnt bashing its model at all either. 

And it doesnt matter wether or not people cancel their subs after trying Guild Wars 2, because many of them would never buy the game if it hadnt been Buy to play. So because its buy to play many MMO players will buy it in order to test it out, due to this the only ones trying to compete will be other MMO's trying to hold on to their subs, but Guild Wars 2 wont have to worry about competing with other P2P MMO's at all. 

Also with Guild Wars 2's gameplay and leveling curve, many MMO players who are commited to other games will be able to progress in the game on the side over time, while still maintaining their subscribtions to the MMO they have been playing.

  I can only speak for myself here but if GW2 were a P2P model, i'd still buy it in a heart beat. Not because of the IP, as I didn't get into the first. More because look at the options out there now and the ones on the horizon. To me GW2 stands out so the B2P is a bonus, though I do agree that there will be those that buy it because it is B2B, just not all. I have certainly purchased P2P because they offered a free 30 days with purchase and I had a feeling I would get burned and I did. So there are plenty of sub games out there that couldn't even give me the 30 days of interest. If GW2 were a sub based and that was the only option with the MMO genre, I have happily payed before and would do so with that title as well. but it isn't and it could prove that subs are a gimmick.

As to your second paragraph, I wonder why anyone would concidder playing GW2 and subbing to another. If GW2 has enough content, excluding PvP cause that is plenty to do in itself, who has the time to play 2 MMORPG's? I am sure there are those that do, but why pay for a second games sub if Anet shows that the company you are supporting is fullofshit by charging you a monthly fee to begin with. Wheres the logic in that? My opinion is based on if GW2 is successful of course.

I'm all for Gw2 and it's shop KingJiggly! I didn't understand where u were coming from at first but GW2 is providing a great Mmorpg experience. It took you too make me realize it's for me! :D

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ablestron

Originally posted by SanHor

Originally posted by Ablestron

Im sorry, but Your missing the point. As long as Guild Wars 2 does not have a monthly fee, it will never be a true competator with any other Pay 2 play model. Because the only reason MMO's have to compete against each other is because of monthly fees.

Quite the opposite. Most players focus on one MMO at a time meaning that so long as they play GW2 they wont be paying fees for other MMOs.

Also, don't underestimate GW2 because it doesn't look like another mediocre B2P MMO around the corner (or cRPG like GW1), and if it ends up being the best MMO choice of 2012 it might change the general attitutde towards P2P models in the future.

Ofc this is only my opinion, but the way I see it GW2 is the greatest competitor to all other AAA titles specificaly for being a B2P.

Im not against GW2 at all and I wasnt bashing its model at all either. 

And it doesnt matter wether or not people cancel their subs after trying Guild Wars 2, because many of them would never buy the game if it hadnt been Buy to play. So because its buy to play many MMO players will buy it in order to test it out, due to this the only ones trying to compete will be other MMO's trying to hold on to their subs, but Guild Wars 2 wont have to worry about competing with other P2P MMO's at all. 

Also with Guild Wars 2's gameplay and leveling curve, many MMO players who are commited to other games will be able to progress in the game on the side over time, while still maintaining their subscribtions to the MMO they have been playing.

  I can only speak for myself here but if GW2 were a P2P model, i'd still buy it in a heart beat. Not because of the IP, as I didn't get into the first. More because look at the options out there now and the ones on the horizon. To me GW2 stands out so the B2P is a bonus, though I do agree that there will be those that buy it because it is B2B, just not all. I have certainly purchased P2P because they offered a free 30 days with purchase and I had a feeling I would get burned and I did. So there are plenty of sub games out there that couldn't even give me the 30 days of interest. If GW2 were a sub based and that was the only option with the MMO genre, I have happily payed before and would do so with that title as well. but it isn't and it could prove that subs are a gimmick.

As to your second paragraph, I wonder why anyone would concidder playing GW2 and subbing to another. If GW2 has enough content, excluding PvP cause that is plenty to do in itself, who has the time to play 2 MMORPG's? I am sure there are those that do, but why pay for a second games sub if Anet shows that the company you are supporting is fullofshit by charging you a monthly fee to begin with. Wheres the logic in that? My opinion is based on if GW2 is successful of course.

your points are valid. But in the grand scheme of things, Im just happy I get to play this game for only 50-60 dollors upon release :))))))) 

Originally posted by Ablestron

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ablestron

Originally posted by SanHor

Originally posted by Ablestron

Im sorry, but Your missing the point. As long as Guild Wars 2 does not have a monthly fee, it will never be a true competator with any other Pay 2 play model. Because the only reason MMO's have to compete against each other is because of monthly fees.

Quite the opposite. Most players focus on one MMO at a time meaning that so long as they play GW2 they wont be paying fees for other MMOs.

Also, don't underestimate GW2 because it doesn't look like another mediocre B2P MMO around the corner (or cRPG like GW1), and if it ends up being the best MMO choice of 2012 it might change the general attitutde towards P2P models in the future.

Ofc this is only my opinion, but the way I see it GW2 is the greatest competitor to all other AAA titles specificaly for being a B2P.

Im not against GW2 at all and I wasnt bashing its model at all either. 

And it doesnt matter wether or not people cancel their subs after trying Guild Wars 2, because many of them would never buy the game if it hadnt been Buy to play. So because its buy to play many MMO players will buy it in order to test it out, due to this the only ones trying to compete will be other MMO's trying to hold on to their subs, but Guild Wars 2 wont have to worry about competing with other P2P MMO's at all. 

Also with Guild Wars 2's gameplay and leveling curve, many MMO players who are commited to other games will be able to progress in the game on the side over time, while still maintaining their subscribtions to the MMO they have been playing.

  I can only speak for myself here but if GW2 were a P2P model, i'd still buy it in a heart beat. Not because of the IP, as I didn't get into the first. More because look at the options out there now and the ones on the horizon. To me GW2 stands out so the B2P is a bonus, though I do agree that there will be those that buy it because it is B2B, just not all. I have certainly purchased P2P because they offered a free 30 days with purchase and I had a feeling I would get burned and I did. So there are plenty of sub games out there that couldn't even give me the 30 days of interest. If GW2 were a sub based and that was the only option with the MMO genre, I have happily payed before and would do so with that title as well. but it isn't and it could prove that subs are a gimmick.

As to your second paragraph, I wonder why anyone would concidder playing GW2 and subbing to another. If GW2 has enough content, excluding PvP cause that is plenty to do in itself, who has the time to play 2 MMORPG's? I am sure there are those that do, but why pay for a second games sub if Anet shows that the company you are supporting is fullofshit by charging you a monthly fee to begin with. Wheres the logic in that? My opinion is based on if GW2 is successful of course.

your points are valid. But in the grand scheme of things, Im just happy I get to play this game for only 50-60 dollors upon release :))))))) 

 You do and so do I! :D

King's Quest over at gw2guru has put together a lot of the facts we know about PvP, sure to be more info at Gamescom coming up:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/gw2-pvp-systems-information-summary-t19633.html

eg

TABLE OF CONTENTS

PvP

- Availability & Access

- Structured PvP

  - Tournaments
  -  Pick-up play

WvW

- Maps, Control Points, Objectives, Accessibility, Server Participation, Character Progression and Personal Rewards, Global Rewards, Guilds in WvW, Parties

Activities

PvP Lore Summary

Great article. :)

Great thread thx!

energy potions are being removed from game

http://www.arena.net/blog/jon-peters-on-the-new-gamescom-demo

Nice thread

Thank you for the thanks, my pleasure :)

I'll be updating the original post after gamescom, for some reason when I go to edit a lot of the tags disappear so it's not easy to do a quick edit.

This article was awesome. Ive been following GW2 but not as in depth as all this.

Good read!

This is awesome. Thanks for writing this!

I fished around for some of the most informative/interesting PvP Interviews and Sources of Information, which may be helpful for updating post Gamescom:

1. Official Website PvP page: Official summary [INFO]

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/pvp/pvp-overview/

2. ArenaNet Blog: The Battle of Kyhlo – Jonathan Sharp on PvP [INFO]

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-battle-of-khylo-jonathan-sharp-on-pvp

3. GW2guru KQ's PvP page: summary + sources/reference links to details confirmed by ArenaNet [INFO]

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/gw2-pvp-systems-information-summary-t19633.html

4. PvP Interview with Jon Peters by GuildMag: Thoughtful discussion on PvP challenges in designing (video)

http://www.guildmag.com/pvp-interview-with-jon-peters

5. Guild Wars 2 PvP Interview with Eric Flannum: As above with Eric Flannum ArenaNet's game philosophy (talk)

http://www.tentonhammer.com/gw2/gamescom/2011/pvp-interview-with-eric-flannum

6. Guild Wars 2 - Lets Talk PvP: NCSoftWest panel with Issiah Cartwright & Jonathan Sharp: (talk)

http://www.youtube.com/user/ncsoftwest#p/a/u/0/6vbWqxVg_ow

7. Tirzah Bauer "PvP maps" Guild Wars 2 interview - GamesCom 2011 (talk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsfkoHRO6c

8. Guild Wars 2 - GamesCom 2011 PVP & Q&A Part 1, 2: Video Live Demo with Issiah Cartwright (walkthrough)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6IvAYADLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0zjYukUa40

9. Guild Wars 2 Demo: PvP primer (PC): Gamespot with Eric Flannum (talkthrough)

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/video/6330320/guild-wars-2-demo-pvp-primer

10. Gamescom Coverage : Hyper WTF is Guild Wars 2 PvP? : Totalbiscuit + Issiah Cartwright (walkthrough)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvHV7HB2BDc

Updated the original post, added info about Structured PvP with links and a video. Added a disclaimer. Added a brief paragraph on character creation with a video link. Added a video link for underwater combat. Took away references to the energy bar. Added more info to crafting and a video link. Added a brief paragraph on end game. Added links to some great info posted by people in this thread and other threads on mmorpg.com. Tidied up a few things.