Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Aori

I'm slightly confused, everyone considered D1/D2 an RPG.. now that the arguement to bring it on this site is here.. D3 is not an RPG? You're roleplaying a damned barbarian against the hordes from hell.. hello? Seriously go look at online retailers or even other game sites.. let me know what genre D3 is listed under.

Exactly.  This seems lost on some people.  Although, as I said before, I don't really care if they add it or not, but it would be right to be CONSISTENT and if one RPG is going to get added....so should the rest.  D2 LOD Online was never considered an MMO, and really....D3 shouldn't be either.  But....c'est la vie.

The Diablo series has always been more of a Dungeon crawler. Not really an RPG. I never heard of people disagreeing with this until this thread lol. 

As far as I know Diablo has always been considered a ARPG.

Originally posted by Distopia

 

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Originally posted by Ceridith
No.
It features no persistent world aspect, and the game world is heavily instanced and segregated between players with no common area, so it's not an MMO.
If Diablo 3 is to be considered a MMO, then so should Farmville.

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Seems to be a moot point for those who operate this site.

 

 

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Originally posted by SBFord
As a reminder, we at MMORPG.com are working actively to ensure that a wide variety of games that have ties to traditional MMORPGs are covered here on the site if nowhere else than our Games List. Our scope is widening to cover MOBAs, MMORTS, MMOFPS, traditional RPGs, action-RPGs and more that have even what some would call 'cursory' connections to MMORPGs. Our plan is to make the Games List "sortable" by genre similar to those listed above.

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hehe. That's what I thought when I read that quote from Ford. Sounds like they already made up their mind...

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I read it, found it to be irrelevant and poorly thought out so skipped it. 

Sorry, Diablo has always been more akin to Zelda rather than something like FF. Zelda was a quasi RPG and is considered a dungeon crawler rather than an actual RPG. And no technically Dungeon Crawler isn't a sub genre but for those games that don't fully fit into action or rpg and focus mainly on dungeons it is typically the term used. 

For the past 15 years everyone I've known or talked to about the Diablo series has always reffered to it as a Dungeon Crawler, same as Zelda. This was both online and off lol. I mean sure you can disagree, but it's not like it will change my point of view after 16 years lol. 

 

How is it irrelevant? What makes an RPG then? Aren't all RPG's really action games?

Your opinion is, i'm sorry, but wrong. Those 3 characteristics (loot collection, character progression, playing a role) are the ONLY things that separate RPG's from anything else. It isn't opinion, its simply fact.

Also, saying that because the "people you've talked to" said a certain thing is so, doesn't make it so. That's a logical fallacy, if you base your opinions on that then I'm really sorry for you.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Nibs

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Originally posted by lizardbones

Massive - pretty sure it will be

Multiplayer - check

Online - check

RPG - check

It should be added.

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That 1st 'M' is for 'massively', not 'massive'.

The 1st and 2nd 'M's should be taken taken together for 'Massively Multiplayer', meaning multiplayer on a massive scale, rather than only 32 people top a server.

On those grounds, I don't think D3 should be included.

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It will still fit "Massively Multiplayer" as in 3 Million people playing the game online.

 

 

If you are going to look at it like that, how many people play Call of Duty online?  Ya, that's right.  Let's keep it simple and not try to redefine what is already obvious.  Massively Multiplayer means that you can host a massive amount of people on one realm or server at one time, this has nothing to do with how many people are playing the game all together.  If you want to look at it like that, you'll have to include every single multiplayer game in the world, as almost all of them host 8 - 32 players at a time on individual servers multiplied by the number of servers per game = a massive number of people playing that game online.  Don't waste your brain matter thinking too far into something that's so simple to understand.

This website is dedicated to MMORPGs, if they want to start sponsering every multiplayer game out there, then they should change the webdomain to www.mo.com (multiplayer online); because, not every multiplayer game is an RPG and not every mutiplayer game is massively multiplayer.

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by Distopia

 

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Originally posted by Ceridith
No.
It features no persistent world aspect, and the game world is heavily instanced and segregated between players with no common area, so it's not an MMO.
If Diablo 3 is to be considered a MMO, then so should Farmville.

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Seems to be a moot point for those who operate this site.

 

 

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Originally posted by SBFord
As a reminder, we at MMORPG.com are working actively to ensure that a wide variety of games that have ties to traditional MMORPGs are covered here on the site if nowhere else than our Games List. Our scope is widening to cover MOBAs, MMORTS, MMOFPS, traditional RPGs, action-RPGs and more that have even what some would call 'cursory' connections to MMORPGs. Our plan is to make the Games List "sortable" by genre similar to those listed above.

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hehe. That's what I thought when I read that quote from Ford. Sounds like they already made up their mind...

Exactly.   Why put it up for a vote when it's obvious the decision was already made.

Originally posted by yevgenii

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I read it, found it to be irrelevant and poorly thought out so skipped it. 

Sorry, Diablo has always been more akin to Zelda rather than something like FF. Zelda was a quasi RPG and is considered a dungeon crawler rather than an actual RPG. And no technically Dungeon Crawler isn't a sub genre but for those games that don't fully fit into action or rpg and focus mainly on dungeons it is typically the term used. 

For the past 15 years everyone I've known or talked to about the Diablo series has always reffered to it as a Dungeon Crawler, same as Zelda. This was both online and off lol. I mean sure you can disagree, but it's not like it will change my point of view after 16 years lol. 

 

How is it irrelevant? What makes an RPG then? Aren't all RPG's really action games?

Your opinion is, i'm sorry, but wrong. Those 3 characteristics (loot collection, character progression, playing a role) are the ONLY things that separate RPG's from anything else. It isn't opinion, its simply fact.

Also, saying that because the "people you've talked to" said a certain thing is so, doesn't make it so. That's a logical fallacy, if you base your opinions on that then I'm really sorry for you.

You don't have to agree with me, as you can see I don't agree with you. And feel sorry for me all you want, I actually feel sorry for you as it seems what I think matters more to you than what you think matters to me. 

Originally posted by P2PGamer

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by Distopia

 

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Originally posted by Ceridith
No.
It features no persistent world aspect, and the game world is heavily instanced and segregated between players with no common area, so it's not an MMO.
If Diablo 3 is to be considered a MMO, then so should Farmville.

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Seems to be a moot point for those who operate this site.

 

 

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Originally posted by SBFord
As a reminder, we at MMORPG.com are working actively to ensure that a wide variety of games that have ties to traditional MMORPGs are covered here on the site if nowhere else than our Games List. Our scope is widening to cover MOBAs, MMORTS, MMOFPS, traditional RPGs, action-RPGs and more that have even what some would call 'cursory' connections to MMORPGs. Our plan is to make the Games List "sortable" by genre similar to those listed above.

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hehe. That's what I thought when I read that quote from Ford. Sounds like they already made up their mind...

 

Exactly.   Why put it up for a vote when it's obvious the decision was already made.

Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well, I guess they've learned more than one thing from MMO devs over the years, lol. Use these things to gauge reaction, as well as a poll only they can see the results of, so they can say the people have spoken and they said yes.

Add it. I'm interested in it, and would like to read about it on this site.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by yevgenii

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I read it, found it to be irrelevant and poorly thought out so skipped it. 

Sorry, Diablo has always been more akin to Zelda rather than something like FF. Zelda was a quasi RPG and is considered a dungeon crawler rather than an actual RPG. And no technically Dungeon Crawler isn't a sub genre but for those games that don't fully fit into action or rpg and focus mainly on dungeons it is typically the term used. 

For the past 15 years everyone I've known or talked to about the Diablo series has always reffered to it as a Dungeon Crawler, same as Zelda. This was both online and off lol. I mean sure you can disagree, but it's not like it will change my point of view after 16 years lol. 

 

How is it irrelevant? What makes an RPG then? Aren't all RPG's really action games?

Your opinion is, i'm sorry, but wrong. Those 3 characteristics (loot collection, character progression, playing a role) are the ONLY things that separate RPG's from anything else. It isn't opinion, its simply fact.

Also, saying that because the "people you've talked to" said a certain thing is so, doesn't make it so. That's a logical fallacy, if you base your opinions on that then I'm really sorry for you.

You don't have to agree with me, as you can see I don't agree with you. And feel sorry for me all you want, I actually feel sorry for you as it seems what I think matters more to you than what you think matters to me. 

 Seriously, stop going against the industry, they say its an RPG, there is no ARPG there is no Dungeon Crawler, its a freakin RPG. Ya freakin little ants keep squirming around with your opinions when its already FACT that it is an RPG.  I don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise. You can describe it anyway you want, it is what it is.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by P2PGamer

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by Distopia

 

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Originally posted by Ceridith
No.
It features no persistent world aspect, and the game world is heavily instanced and segregated between players with no common area, so it's not an MMO.
If Diablo 3 is to be considered a MMO, then so should Farmville.

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Seems to be a moot point for those who operate this site.

 

 

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Originally posted by SBFord
As a reminder, we at MMORPG.com are working actively to ensure that a wide variety of games that have ties to traditional MMORPGs are covered here on the site if nowhere else than our Games List. Our scope is widening to cover MOBAs, MMORTS, MMOFPS, traditional RPGs, action-RPGs and more that have even what some would call 'cursory' connections to MMORPGs. Our plan is to make the Games List "sortable" by genre similar to those listed above.

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hehe. That's what I thought when I read that quote from Ford. Sounds like they already made up their mind...

 

Exactly.   Why put it up for a vote when it's obvious the decision was already made.

Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well, I guess they've learned more than one thing from MMO devs over the years, lol. Use these things to gauge reaction, as well as a poll only they can see the results of, so they can say the people have spoken and they said yes.

                                                               

 The Poll is visible now, i assume they waited for a good lead. Either way if the community was extremely hostile towards the idea it wouldn't have been put up. Though if it was close even in favor of no it would have been up lol.

Yes, Diablo 3 is going to be massive, and a lot more players will be playing it then most of the so called massive barren mmos listed here.

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by yevgenii

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I read it, found it to be irrelevant and poorly thought out so skipped it. 

Sorry, Diablo has always been more akin to Zelda rather than something like FF. Zelda was a quasi RPG and is considered a dungeon crawler rather than an actual RPG. And no technically Dungeon Crawler isn't a sub genre but for those games that don't fully fit into action or rpg and focus mainly on dungeons it is typically the term used. 

For the past 15 years everyone I've known or talked to about the Diablo series has always reffered to it as a Dungeon Crawler, same as Zelda. This was both online and off lol. I mean sure you can disagree, but it's not like it will change my point of view after 16 years lol. 

 

How is it irrelevant? What makes an RPG then? Aren't all RPG's really action games?

Your opinion is, i'm sorry, but wrong. Those 3 characteristics (loot collection, character progression, playing a role) are the ONLY things that separate RPG's from anything else. It isn't opinion, its simply fact.

Also, saying that because the "people you've talked to" said a certain thing is so, doesn't make it so. That's a logical fallacy, if you base your opinions on that then I'm really sorry for you.

You don't have to agree with me, as you can see I don't agree with you. And feel sorry for me all you want, I actually feel sorry for you as it seems what I think matters more to you than what you think matters to me. 

 Seriously, stop going against the industry, they say its an RPG, there is no ARPG there is no Dungeon Crawler, its a freakin RPG. Ya freakin little ants keep squirming around with your opinions when its already FACT that it is an RPG.  I don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise. You can describe it anyway you want, it is what it is.

Sorry, I was around when the terms were first ushered in. I know what they mean lol. Marketing has tried to distort things as much as they can so they can bank off of different brandings and titles. You new gamers can call things what you like. Diablo isn't an MMO, it isn't an RPG. Deal with it, but go ahead and call it what you like lol. I mean if the definition of gay can go from happy, to homosecual, to stupid or lame then I guess it doesn't really matter. People will just use a term however they see fit anyways. 

The FACT is that it isn't an RPG, but you youngins have at it lol. Can't be bothered to learn the definition word no worries, just make one up. Can't think of an appropriate word, don't bother expanding your vocabulary just use one semi close lol. 

In any case, like I've said before I'm to old to change and using a term and it meaning one thing for decades means your opinion of what it should mean isn't going to change anything. You might as well be screaming at a brick wall. 

Where do people make up this weird stuff about a dungeon crawler not being an rpg?  Curse of the Azure Bonds was a dungeon crawling rpg.  Really this hair splitting pedantic categorization is crazy.   "This is an MMO because..."  "This isn't an MMO because..." as if it all really matters.

Just add the game for crying out loud so I don't have to go to another site to read about 'other' online games.  Do we really need a "MassivelyOnlineLobbyDungeonCrawlers.com"?  There is about as much genre consistency within "MMOs" as there is outside of them and we're going to get picky now?  Boggling.

 I don't see why not really.

 It's obvious the lines between what makes an MMO an MMO and what doesn't has been blurred these days, have been for quite some time, also as others have mentioned there are already other games listed that sort of fall under the same "not sure if MMO" catagory as D3 would, and besides you all know damn well it's forums section will get used.

 I've said it before, but some people take the term MMO far too litteral, the industry basically just see's them all as online only games now.

I would definitely say to add it to the gamelist, even on the premise that it will be a much talked about game in the future and there is not another better place to advertise this game (extra revenue source). Like someone else said, it has all the features of an existing MMORPG, it is upto the player to roleplay and it is not like the whole concept of roleplaying is perceptual anyhow. So yes, the roleplaying can exist, it will include the ability for people to group together, the gamebase and economy will be massive and yes it will be online. If you are really worried about the distinction of an MMORPG, could you say Guild Wars is any different with it's open hub -> instanced areas? Besides, other MMORPGs now are becoming more action based with faster combat mechanics (Dragon Nest, TERA), and Diablo 3 will include character customization and development, not unlike existing MMORPGs. As in the famous phrase: "Resistance is futile."

I whould say no because the game has a single-player campaign, it's not really a mmo, so I don't see a reason why to add it as a mmo. I know a few reasons why because of the auction house, the normal players that play in multiplayer, and the online-always DRM method. Not to mention to total elimination of mods and cheats. However I still think Diablo 3 is still a single-player game w/multiplayer.

Yas and No.  Leaning towards no.

Yes because it's going to be the biggest game to release since... I don't know, Diablo 2 =P 

No, because it's not a MMO.  If you're going to add diablo, then you have to add Call of Duty.  It's the same concept, players online playing with each other.  Both are not massive.  Both have a single player.  And with both, the multiplayer aspect is the biggest draw.  I guess the only real differences is player interaction such as trading.  This you cannot do in an arena deathmatch game.

Originally posted by SBFord

As a reminder, we at MMORPG.com are working actively to ensure that a wide variety of games that have ties to traditional MMORPGs are covered here on the site if nowhere else than our Games List. Our scope is widening to cover MOBAs, MMORTS, MMOFPS, traditional RPGs, action-RPGs and more that have even what some would call 'cursory' connections to MMORPGs. Our plan is to make the Games List "sortable" by genre similar to those listed above.

As Boltonsquad stated:

Of course it should be added, maybe it's not an MMO as such but its an RPG and many player will be investing in it and it would be nice to have a discussion on it here.

 

I voted no. If that's the goal, then change the site name to onlinegaming.com or whatever domain name equivalent is still available.

So long as the site name still implies massively multiplayer online roleplaying games, Diablo doesn't belong (nor do some others, as has already been pointed out). You want to add online RTS and FPS, go full bore: add Halo, CoD - fill your boots. But don't call the site mmorpg.com - those games - which I enjoy myself from time to time - are not RPGs, never were, and never will be.

add it...