Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Sintrix
I'm not much of an alt guy so with the proclaimed 200 hours of gameplay per class and not much of an endgame (so far 1 PvP planet and 1 raid), for a gamer I see about one month worth of game here.

That would be more than 40 hrs a week of gaming?

hehe i was just working that out too.

200 hours of game play divided by a 31 day month  = you need to average  6 1/2 hrs  a day :)

i spose its technically possible :)

but for some one like me who probably averages at most 2 hours a day

thats at least 100 days play time! sounds good to me :)

Hurm. How they make up these numbers? I wonder.

Originally posted by Elikal

Hurm. How they make up these numbers? I wonder.

Internet, hacks, magic. 

The source(s) of all speculation.

im one of the random people buying it. made no indication i want to buy it. didnt pre-order. but am looking forward to it

Day 1 server's will go "down" in MMO history.

Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by Elikal

Hurm. How they make up these numbers? I wonder.

Internet, hacks, magic. 

The source(s) of all speculation.

I hear that in order to work as an analyst there you have to be blind and share 1 eye between everyone in the office.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Z3R01

3 million the first year?

maybe.

All i know is that bioware sells everything they create even games that werent that great like Dragon Age 2 sold extremely well.

THey have a large following and if anyone is going to sell units like that its them.

The one bad apple always sells well. After that one things become harder, since the fanbase stops blindly buying everything...

For some companies yes, but I'd hardly consider DA2 as a game to warrant that kind of backlash. It's not great, but it's not what I would consider a "bad apple" I mean it's not like it was of that kind of poor quality. It just wasn't as good as people wanted it to be, or expect of Bioware. A lot of companies would have been praised for a game like that, perspective people come on...

Haha, its a matter of opinion. I would consider that game pretty horrible no matter what company made it, they completely focused on the wrong things for that game. So much so that they are trying to change many things in their little DLC Legacy. They have also said they know many things were wrong with the game and will change them in futre expansions. Now, if you personally thing this game was ok, awesome! 

Originally posted by Sintrix
If this game had combat like the force unleahed I guarantee I would sub for years. As of right now if I'm bored I might pick this up for the storyline.

On the PC i wasn't too impressed with the first Force Unleashed but i loved it in the 2nd for the very short time it lasted. If Bioware had used that combat I would buy a lifetime sub if offered in a heart beat and i never go lifetime.

This will destroy Bioware if it fails.

Originally posted by Puremallace

This will destroy Bioware if it fails.

 This will devastate Bioware Austin for sure. But there is still Bioware Edmonton's Mass Effect 3 to be released and I read that Bioware Mythic is going to announce something for Pax Prime.

But yeah overall this will remain a huge stain on Bioware's Curiculum Vitae 

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Distopia

For some companies yes, but I'd hardly consider DA2 as a game to warrant that kind of backlash. It's not great, but it's not what I would consider a "bad apple" I mean it's not like it was of that kind of poor quality. It just wasn't as good as people wanted it to be, or expect of Bioware. A lot of companies would have been praised for a game like that, perspective people come on...

Haha, its a matter of opinion. I would consider that game pretty horrible no matter what company made it, they completely focused on the wrong things for that game. So much so that they are trying to change many things in their little DLC Legacy. They have also said they know many things were wrong with the game and will change them in futre expansions. Now, if you personally thing this game was ok, awesome! 

Personally didn't like either DA game, too cliche and too LOTR style fantasy for my taste. I still played through DA2 though out of boredom a few nights, it was okay in my opinion in terms of mechanics, VO, writing and production quality. It's just not what I am into. MY gf on the other hand never stops talking about DA2, it's her favorite game, well that or little big planet.

Originally posted by frenchyR1

Originally posted by Puremallace

This will destroy Bioware if it fails.

 This will destroy Bioware Austin for sure. But there is still Bioware Edmonton's Mass Effect 3 to be released and I read that Bioware Mythic is going to announce something for Pax Prime.

 

But yeah overall this will remain a huge stain on Bioware's Curiculum Vitae 

If they release it and just sit back and call it complete and wait for the money to roll in this game is going to implode from people demanding things they had in WoW.

Not sure if SWToR fans realize this, but you game is about to get RUSHED. Not Aion/Rift/WAR rushed, but rushed by a severely large percent of WoW players and one hell of a lot of gold sellers. I vote give it a month before even trying to log in because it is going to be a nightmare.

3 Million is definitely not far fetched as this is the most well known ip in the market industry.This bascially means most of the sales will come in the first week,it's not like there is a bunch of gamers that have never heard of this game before.

There is also the fact that if a game gives even a remote chance to be a big seller,retailers will buy far more than they need ,crates and crates to create a better profit/cost margin.

I do find it very hard to believe this game will maintain more than 2 million subs beyond the first month.The current trend of gamers is to  act like they are in some race,they will all  frantically play to see who can reach some magical end game first.This means most of the player base will reach a verdict on this game easily by the second third week.Most now days cry for more casual,but i bet the average player will be playing 6+ hours a day at 2 weeks that is 80+ hours of game play.This is why i feel the game will have a significant drop off after the very first month.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by frenchyR1

Originally posted by Puremallace

This will destroy Bioware if it fails.

 This will destroy Bioware Austin for sure. But there is still Bioware Edmonton's Mass Effect 3 to be released and I read that Bioware Mythic is going to announce something for Pax Prime.

 

But yeah overall this will remain a huge stain on Bioware's Curiculum Vitae 

If they release it and just sit back and call it complete and wait for the money to roll in this game is going to implode from people demanding things they had in WoW.

 

Not sure if SWToR fans realize this, but you game is about to get RUSHED. Not Aion/Rift/WAR rushed, but rushed by a severely large percent of WoW players and one hell of a lot of gold sellers. I vote give it a month before even trying to log in because it is going to be a nightmare.

QFT.  My wife finally just quit playing WoW and, according to her, SW:ToR and GW2 are the biggest topics of discussion in trade talk. If Blizz thought 900k loss was bad, just wait. I hope that Bioware is planning on strictly enforcing their EULA. I'm not looking forward to the damn "Chuck Norris jokes", etc.

I think this game is going to great out the gate commercial wise, but I seriously doubt it will have much retention.

Hope you guys like WoW+star wars+mass effect quest interface and voice acting for every single quest. I know some think that would be awesome but spending most of my time listening to quest dialogue and about 300 milliseconds of action for every 1.5 seconds of waiting doesn't sound like much fun to me.

It is quite possible for 3 million in sale with such a well known and loved IP. I have no doubts that this game will be successful. I won't be playing it though as I'm not a Star Wars fan. But I hope all you true fans enjoy your game.

Originally posted by olisud

Yea, i am angry like nobody in this world on Bioware. Cant preorder from my country :(

You can, just dont try from the EA store. Amazon etc will let you pre-order from outside of the starter regions and send you your codes instantly or in a few days which let you play a few days before release up until few days to a week after the release date. Just add a retail code after to continue playing.

This is good news, having positive expectations on sales around the current pre-order rate, based on the analysts interpretation.  I pre-ordered one; but then again, I pre-ordered STO and didn't last a month there.

At any rate, Bioware has already comfortably (talking futures) broke-even, plus some, if this titles' development cost is $100 million.

But none-the-less, it is encouraging to see that there is a large 'interest' base, and there typically is with mainstream high-budget mmorpgs, so no shocker there.  Whether Bioware can 'sustain' the subscribership of much of their base, is another story. 

Recall that these same analysts mentioned 2-months ago, after their hands-on, that SWTOR is a Highly Derivative Clone of WoW and were and were largely unimpressed.  http://www.videogamer.com/news/swtor_is_highly_derivative_clone_of_wow_says_analyst.html

Clearly Bioware and Star Wars fans are giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt, as will I for the time-being.

Optimistic.

But very far from truth.

EA are masters of overestimating their sucess. Just look at new Medal of Honor.

They thought it will outsell Modern Warfare Black ops

On the end they sold like 20 thousand copies while black ops sold millions.

Anyway. 1 Million sold seems like realistic number for swtor. And in 3 months 400 000 subscribers.