I'm looking for economy based game where everything comes from players, full loss/looting on death, open pvp, perferably dev's that support theft and meta gaming(spying).

Quit eve because the developers killed my hope for the game's future, it will be two expansions before I consider going back. Darkfall gets crossed off the list for the same reasons. I also dislike the combat system in darkfall, its innovative but not for me.

Tried perpetuum, game was too small and community was too under developed to support my style of pvp (roaming solo/small gang). Getting no action/constantly blue balled and being on the top of the killboards because I was getting the most action that month really told me not to resub for another month.

Mortal Online runs crappy on my computer, has the tiny population problem of perp, and the great aim(lag based!) combat system of darkfall.

The only thing I know about Pirates of the burning sea is its an old game run by soe (bad sign) that hack eve players moved to for a while before returning when they forgot how bad they were at eve.

Hopefully you guys can find a game I missed.

Perpetuum is like eve with mechs.

Perpetuum is like eve with mechs.

Well, RuneScape has an economy that's often compared to Eve's, and there are open pvp worlds. And you wouldn't have to worry about the population problem of course. If you'd be willing to play it that is.

Given the games you've eliminated, there isn't a lot left.

I'd say you might look at Dawntide or Xsyon, but both have smaller populations than the ones you've already tried (Dawntide is in open beta right now), and have problems of their own.

Ultima Online?

Not many companies develop the type of game you're looking for - none of the major ones do.

You elimented all the 3d games. All that left is browsers and 2d games. one that comes to mind is Dofus permenent death PvP server. Crafting in Dofus is very rewarding.

I'm in the same boat basically, but I have bad news for you... there's no other game even comparable to EvE.

Perpetuum isn't a copy of EvE, even if people like to call it that way. Perpetuum simply lacks 50% of the features of EvE, basically PvE is non-existant but that's needed to run a game like EvE.

Darkfall, Mortal Online and Earthrise are MMOFPS without a working economy and without any PvE-content. Basically I'd call them MMO-deathmatches.

Runescap is often mentioned, but c'mon, you can't be serious to mention a F2P-title when talking about a comparison for EvE. F2P defeats the idea of balanced PvP.

We've to wait what ArcheAge will look like in the end to make comparisons there, but that's atleast a year into the future.

So no, there's nothing even remotely comparable.

Originally posted by Yalexy

Perpetuum isn't a copy of EvE, even if people like to call it that way. Perpetuum simply lacks 50% of the features of EvE, basically PvE is non-existant but that's needed to run a game like EvE.

Perp is eve at launch. My grips about the game being small is the lack of targets, the terribly unseeded market (with game features fighting against something like jita ever appearing).

Oh and all of the players act like the retarded under 6 month old eve players because they haven't been playing perp for more than 6 months. There are alot of people running around who are still believing how they want the game to work is more true than how the game actually works. They're funny to fight in pvp but maddening to see on your squad.

Examples: light bots being useful beyond scout alts with t4 detectors(this does not include ewars! that cost the same as a cheap fit mech), the most remote outposts having the bonuses to industry doesn't hurt the nooby islands being seeded, beta corps don't hoard the beta only mats giving them an even bigger advantage than having the best manufacturing (have characters in the two bigger power blocks and they do). Oh yeah and the minerals you mine are free.

Outer Empires might be too far off for your preferences but it's 2d browser space sanbox and on that level is alright.

There's also linkrealms coming up which might be worth a look.

Currently i can't think of anything that fits the bill tbh.  You could try comething like neocron 2 or bounty bay to muck about with until the game you want gets released.