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  Distopia2

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8/07/11 7:43:12 AM#41
Originally posted by Metentso

There are no Jedi classes. Games need to invent Jedi classes to accomodate to the traditional combat rules. Of course a Jedi can be better at diplomacy than combat, but that's not a class. But can inspire one, as in SWTOR and the SW RP game.

I think a lot of people forget or don't even know this exists and has for quite a long time. I know SWG designers built from it, I'm sure Bioware have as well.

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  aesperus

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8/07/11 8:12:38 AM#42
Originally posted by graggok
Originally posted by zeiden

I think he is both. It's bioware that fucked up by making 2 Jedi classes.  

nah thats the way its alway been Jedi-Knight is like a force wielding paladin of sorts, and a consular is more specialized in the force.....but according the Pen and Paper rules no one is taking on Mace Windu cause he is the baddest in the land,  thats why Samuel L Jackson got to play him

Actually, I'd have to agree with Zeiden. Frankly I'm surprised Bioware went the 2 classes route over specialization trees. Most Jedi have been portrayed as persuing both. Honing their lightsaber skills as a parallel towards better understanding the force. Sith are a little different, since they only care about raw power, but while they don't care about balance, they still use both combat and force training to try and achieve as much power as possible.

  Metentso

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8/07/11 9:40:37 AM#43
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by graggok
Originally posted by zeiden

I think he is both. It's bioware that fucked up by making 2 Jedi classes.  

nah thats the way its alway been Jedi-Knight is like a force wielding paladin of sorts, and a consular is more specialized in the force.....but according the Pen and Paper rules no one is taking on Mace Windu cause he is the baddest in the land,  thats why Samuel L Jackson got to play him

Actually, I'd have to agree with Zeiden. Frankly I'm surprised Bioware went the 2 classes route over specialization trees. Most Jedi have been portrayed as persuing both. Honing their lightsaber skills as a parallel towards better understanding the force. Sith are a little different, since they only care about raw power, but while they don't care about balance, they still use both combat and force training to try and achieve as much power as possible.

Combat skills come from the Force too, they are inseparable.

  Angier2758

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8/07/11 10:38:11 AM#44
Originally posted by Metentso
Originally posted by zeiden

I think he is both. It's bioware that fucked up by making 2 Jedi classes.  

 

This. A Jedi is a Jedi. Period.

As a fan I don't know if I can agree on that.  You see all jedi start out as jedi true enough... however there are many examples of those who focused heavily on the force or their skills with a lightsabre.

 

Given that they weren't just a caster or a melee... more like 80%/20% or 90%/10%... not all.

  zelyst

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8/08/11 8:55:45 PM#45

Yeah Obi-Wan is totally a "Guardian" type, his lightsaber skills demonstrate that. Besides if he were a "Consular" Jedi then wouldn't he have fought Sidious? Perhaps he is more crafty, reserved and wise than many of the others similar to him, but thats just his personality traits showing, less specific to his personal development with the force. Not to mention his lightsaber forms.

  artemisentr4

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8/08/11 10:11:20 PM#46
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by graggok
Originally posted by zeiden

I think he is both. It's bioware that fucked up by making 2 Jedi classes.  

nah thats the way its alway been Jedi-Knight is like a force wielding paladin of sorts, and a consular is more specialized in the force.....but according the Pen and Paper rules no one is taking on Mace Windu cause he is the baddest in the land,  thats why Samuel L Jackson got to play him

Actually, I'd have to agree with Zeiden. Frankly I'm surprised Bioware went the 2 classes route over specialization trees. Most Jedi have been portrayed as persuing both. Honing their lightsaber skills as a parallel towards better understanding the force. Sith are a little different, since they only care about raw power, but while they don't care about balance, they still use both combat and force training to try and achieve as much power as possible.

 Obviously it was about the story. There is so much to both the sith and jedi that can be put into a story. So two classes allows BW to have two completely different story paths for both jedi and sith. But with a themepark MMO and trinity combat. The more class choices the better. Eight base classes are better than six IMO.

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  GMan3

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8/09/11 6:11:11 AM#47

    I would say that Obi Wan started out his life as a Jedi, but was forced by circumstances to change course and become a Consular during the Jedi assasinations.  After all, "These are not the droids you are looking for." just does not seem to fit into a Guardians way of doing things, but I could be wrong.

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  4getting2009

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8/09/11 8:57:05 AM#48
Originally posted by artemisentr4
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by graggok
Originally posted by zeiden

I think he is both. It's bioware that fucked up by making 2 Jedi classes.  

nah thats the way its alway been Jedi-Knight is like a force wielding paladin of sorts, and a consular is more specialized in the force.....but according the Pen and Paper rules no one is taking on Mace Windu cause he is the baddest in the land,  thats why Samuel L Jackson got to play him

Actually, I'd have to agree with Zeiden. Frankly I'm surprised Bioware went the 2 classes route over specialization trees. Most Jedi have been portrayed as persuing both. Honing their lightsaber skills as a parallel towards better understanding the force. Sith are a little different, since they only care about raw power, but while they don't care about balance, they still use both combat and force training to try and achieve as much power as possible.

 Obviously it was about the story. There is so much to both the sith and jedi that can be put into a story. So two classes allows BW to have two completely different story paths for both jedi and sith. But with a themepark MMO and trinity combat. The more class choices the better. Eight base classes are better than six IMO.

BioWare did not create these classes. They came from the Pen and Paper Star Wars game published on the DnD 3.0 D20 System.  They have modified them a bit, but that is their source. There have been multiple Jedi Classes and Specializations in that game and Kotor to follow for many years. One other class in the Pen and Paper they left out was  Force Sage. If you read the expanded universe materials not all Force Tradtions are Jedi or Sith.

  shamus252

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8/09/11 9:24:29 AM#49

 

On wookieepedia it say's, 

[quote]Upon a Padawan's ascension to Knighthood, they faced the choice of continuing down one of three branches of Jedi training. Choosing based on preference and personal talents and skills, the opportunity to join the ranks of theJedi GuardianJedi Consular, or Jedi Sentinel was open to all who passed the Jedi Trials. In addition to their specialization, the High Council could demand that the members of the Order assume military ranks in order to defend the Republic.[/quote]

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