Originally posted by Chimps

Originally posted by Omega431

Well i have played it, but yet i have no issue with the graphics, i think they are fine.  I do however have a problem with the combat, its so bland and boring, it is the exact same as WoWs, just slower.  Other than that i think it would be a good game, but to me, my opinion, Combat is a big part of most mmos.  If combat fails, so does the game.

I find that hard to believe.

And if it's true then this type of gameplay is not for you. Some people enjoy this type of gameplay as you can tell by the amount of WoW subs and all the Pre-Orders for SWTOR.

I myself am a fan of Point and Click games. Obviously i would prefer if SWTOR was a TPS game but it's not and i don't mind that.

You need to remember that WoW did not invent Point and Click gameplay and most important thing to remember is that everyone has different taste in games, just because you think it's boring doesn't mean everyone else does.

Your opinion is not fact.

 Hence the reason why i said, "my opinion", never said it was a fact. Just that is the one and only thing "I" dont like about it.  Im just tired of Point and clicks or "Tab Targeting". Been doing it for a very long time, kindof gets old after awhile. I dont even have an issue with the animations, its just a "pace" thing.  If the pace was just a bit faster, it would be alot better. IMO of course. Also, i never said WoW invented Point and click, they just brought it to a bigger crowd.

Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by lthompson94

People who use the phrase "WoW clone" in general really shouldn't be taken seriously.  One has to seriously question their intelligence.  Major forum-addict, bandwagon types.

There are a few elements in the combat that are new, but I'm under NDA.  Unlike many people, when I sign an agreement I honor it.

It's not WoW in space.  Think more KOTOR as an MMO.

God damn, you're one of those. You do realize that people who are actually paid to make games for a living, or critique them, use the term "WoW clone" as a point of reference? It's used to relate one experience to another, and as most people understand or know what WoW is, it's a great way to let someone know if a product is similar, the exact same, or even close to the same. If you find that negative, or unintelligent, I'm sorry for you.

 

Give me a fucking break.

Developers don't use the term WoW clone.  Cite an article or something, I could change my opinion, but I doubt it.  They will cite WoW as having similarity, but no developer in their right mind would say "We are basically making a WoW clone."  If ANYTHING they would refer to competition or other games in a derogatory term.  A reviewer might use it, generally as a reference to what forum users are saying.  And I wouldn't take their review seriously if they used it as a real descriptor and not as a point of comparison.

You're obviously passionate about using your term though, don't let me stop you.  Just know there are tons of people who will pretty much stop reading when they see that phrase.

Break given.

@ OP well said

People are simply under estimating how powerful the Star Wars IP really is. If the game is done correctly by Bioware and EA does not pull their ussual shit it will be huge.

People use the term WoW clone because when you say it everyone knows what you mean.

It is not used because WoW invented the Genre, it is used because WoW is the currentently the biggest game and is specifically a theme park type game.

It it usually used by people who like Sandbox style games (Or people who don't like WoW) in order to put down or attack a new sandbox game that is coming down the pike.

However those same people who love sandbox games (Or who don't like WoW) are also the people who complain the loudest at the use of the term "WoW Clone"

-go figure-

The term will go away when Wow is no longer the top game when it comes to Sandbox type MMO's. 

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by materva26

<>EXTREME companion system.  Whats EXTREME about it?  Do the companions spray themselves with axe body spray, and drink mountain dew while snowboarding off random peoples roofs? 

 

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HAHA! ILU.

At first i was excited about SWTOR and anxiously waiting for every bit of info on it and then i started seeing the gameplay videos and was shocked at what i saw .. The same boring MMO combat thats been in alot of MMOs .. The graphics being subpar and yes you can do great graphics without killing peoples PCs as it has been done before .. I know the game has alot of great features but if it looks like crap and its gonna play like crap well then to alot of people it will be crap and they arent gonna hype it well .. im not gonna compare it to WoW cause its not but a huge population of the MMO community have only played one game and its called WoW and alot fo them arent the most educated about other MMOs so they call other MMOs WoWclones ..

Originally posted by Omega431

Originally posted by Chimps

Originally posted by Omega431

Well i have played it, but yet i have no issue with the graphics, i think they are fine.  I do however have a problem with the combat, its so bland and boring, it is the exact same as WoWs, just slower.  Other than that i think it would be a good game, but to me, my opinion, Combat is a big part of most mmos.  If combat fails, so does the game.

I find that hard to believe.

And if it's true then this type of gameplay is not for you. Some people enjoy this type of gameplay as you can tell by the amount of WoW subs and all the Pre-Orders for SWTOR.

I myself am a fan of Point and Click games. Obviously i would prefer if SWTOR was a TPS game but it's not and i don't mind that.

You need to remember that WoW did not invent Point and Click gameplay and most important thing to remember is that everyone has different taste in games, just because you think it's boring doesn't mean everyone else does.

Your opinion is not fact.

 Hence the reason why i said, "my opinion", never said it was a fact. Just that is the one and only thing "I" dont like about it.  Im just tired of Point and clicks or "Tab Targeting". Been doing it for a very long time, kindof gets old after awhile. I dont even have an issue with the animations, its just a "pace" thing.  If the pace was just a bit faster, it would be alot better. IMO of course. Also, i never said WoW invented Point and click, they just brought it to a bigger crowd.

Personally, I've never had a problem with the speed of the combat, and I also don't find it to be "just like wow's" either.  Is that enough to invalidate your point?  IMO  of course,  it is.

"epic storylines, extreme companion system, etc." 

Care to elaborate on "etc"? Cause to me is sure sounds like there is supposed to be a period after companion system. And people use WoW as it's the most successful traditional MMO, don't deny that many developers are trying to copy many of it's features.

ToR isn't innovative because it's an MMO that has epic storylines. Don't get me wrong Im sure this will be better than WoW considering it's got all that and a liiiitle more.

But people are looking for something new and fresh. ToR sure as hell won't be.

Originally posted by Sideras

"epic storylines, extreme companion system, etc." 

Care to elaborate on "etc"? Cause to me is sure sounds like there is supposed to be a period after companion system. And people use WoW as it's the most successful traditional MMO, don't deny that many developers are trying to copy many of it's features.

ToR isn't innovative because it's an MMO that has epic storylines. Don't get me wrong Im sure this will be better than WoW considering it's got all that and a liiiitle more.

But people are looking for something new and fresh. ToR sure as hell won't be.

Slight correction, some people are looking for that yes, not all people are though. The above is just another example of putting a little too much importance in your own opinion, as well as those that you see and agree with. Personally a lot of what I see people asking for would just move this genre farther away from what it set out to do. The reason they've become as single-player focused as they have is because of these types of complaints. IMO of course, as I have no proof to offer of this.

I just call it as I see it, this is what I see.... Content, content and more content solves nothing about longevity, nor does combat or anything else Dev related. It's all about how people approach the game, and each other. Dev content will always become stale or repetitive. There's no keeping up with hundreds of thousands of people. It will never be doable or done. Which is why they don't try to. Part of what these games are about is making a community within the game, making firends, buidling guilds, alliances and enemies.

That's not what it seems many play for anymore, as it's hardly something that's normal as of the last few years. It's all about beating the game and moving on.  The "failure" communties that stick with these games, are all that's left of older gaming communities (who always play together) who set up shop in a given game. The horde on the other hand moves on to the next game, so on and so forth. Until they have nothing left to consume. Kind of hive minded if you really think about it, like locusts.

Originally posted by butter1011

If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.

You can judge a book by its cover especially if the cover is a video explaining why the book is bad.

btw Swtor would be a successful game if it was a disgustingly obvious WoW clone as oppose to trying to be a "ground breaking" overhyped mmo with new and exciting voice over quests and stiff non-wow gameplay.

 

-Source: I've played it.

this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see

Originally posted by sonoggi

this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see

If that's your opinion so be it, I just have to ask, what MMO on it's own strengths has staying power? What development style does? None.... SWG would of had just as much if not less if it weren't for community, same goes for EQ, same with any MMO. SIngle player games are the same way, without mods they're nothing as far as longevity, again it's the gaming community that keeps it alive. How would D&D be without players?

Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.

IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!

I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.

Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.

This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by butter1011

If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.

 

Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW.  I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!

You won't be "romping around the galaxy" as you did in SWG (or could). The game is Point A -> B shooter rails in space, and the ground is generally instanced to hell for storylines (like Champions Online, with little instances for your specific quest), or relatively small open zones for MANY people to see others in, but not do much in.

 

I also got a chance to play it at E3, game is bad :(.

Thanks for the new sig...

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by butter1011

If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.

 

Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW.  I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!

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Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate.  Theres no rhyme or reason   no point to just letting players be excited for a game.  It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.   

Yup.. callin' people out now. 

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Originally posted by Ranyr
Why do people feel the need for meth induced combat speeds? We're not supposed to be binging on crack or meth and staying up four days straight to level.
IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RECALL EVERQUEST ONE for a moment. It /literally/ took YEARS to level to max level in that game. Combat was slow, deliberate, and methodical. One wrong action meant you died and lost experience with the possibility of DELEVELING! You then had to run naked back to your body to get your items because they were left there!
I think people really need to take a good hard look introspectively when it comes to the games they play. It's most likely that there is nothing wrong with SW:ToR and something is wrong with you.
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare or Battlefield or something you can be all twitchy and chug Mountain Dew and Monster and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired.
This is mmorpg.com not mmohater.com

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I agree with you

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by butter1011

If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.

 

Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW.  I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!

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Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate.  Theres no rhyme or reason   no point to just letting players be excited for a game.  It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.   

 

Yup.. callin' people out now. 

Thanks for the second part of my sig! lol.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by sonoggi

this is exactly my opinion and i dont have to play it =S i dont think it has staying power. we will see

If that's your opinion so be it, I just have to ask, what MMO on it's own strengths has staying power?

something thats next gen. perhaps Blizz's new mmo, and GW2 of course. TOR will be facing hurdles right off the bat. it's too much what we're all familiar with and bored of.

Originally posted by sonoggi

something thats next gen. perhaps Blizz's new mmo, and GW2 of course. TOR will be facing hurdles right off the bat. it's too much what we're all familiar with and bored of.

Your answer is a mythical one? I'll take that to mean you couldn't actually answer the question. Who is this we're you're speaking of?

BTW are you saying community won't be the mainstay for GW2?

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by butter1011

If people had half a brain they would have seen one of the hundreds of gameplay videos and realized that this game is going to be garbage.

 

Well, I have a full brain, havn't played it, and I don't give a rats ass how similar it may play to WoW.  I love what I see, I love the lore of the Star Wars universe and while I have the patience to wait a little longer until it launches, I'm very eager to romp around the galaxy!

You won't be "romping around the galaxy" as you did in SWG (or could). The game is Point A -> B shooter rails in space, and the ground is generally instanced to hell for storylines (like Champions Online, with little instances for your specific quest), or relatively small open zones for MANY people to see others in, but not do much in.

 

I also got a chance to play it at E3, game is bad :(.

 

I'm sorry but these are the kinds of people we're dealing with.  "I also got a chance to play it at E3,  game is bad".  Sounds innocent enough,  but looking a little closer -- http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3839886#3839886

 

Faded bomb also said " With that said, I'm not allowed to break NDA just yet without actually being approved to do so by the devs."  so he's also been in "beta" since late 2010.  

 

Don't know what else to say other than, haters are literally gunna hate.  Theres no rhyme or reason   no point to just letting players be excited for a game.  It always has to be, tear down the other guys POV.   

 

Yup.. callin' people out now. 

Exactly...I agree ~ if someone hates a game, they'll do anything they can to try and discourage others from having their fun.  They just need to go away already, they won't convince me otherwise with their hatred.  And for the record, I've already joined the darkside decades ago so your hatred wouldn't penetrate me and convince to change sides...ROFL  

In response to the hatred above ~ I don't care how much the game may be instanced in some areas.  There will be qutie the compelling story to follow that has never been done to this level of detail before in an MMO, and I'm really damned excited about it.  I care more about the story than fighting mobs endlessly or as fast as possible to reach the end game.  

Bioware does a damn good job at telling a story, and what they're doing for SW:TOR is exactly what I feel MMOs have been missing.  Everything else has been boring me to tears, but with this, even the simipiliest of quests to go kill 10 mobs has been made ever more exciting cause there is heart and soul and feeling behind the NPCs voicing their concerns with the problems they're having.  It looks and feels more important than it ever has before.  

Even in WoW, and Rift and a slew of others, I still read every damned word in those boring text boxes, even though most of it sucked and was hard to care about the NPCs, I still enjoy story more than anything else.

As for the space game, its not an "on-rails" experience.  In those you have no control over the vehicle or whatever you're riding in.  In SW:TOR its a tunnel shooter, where you can freely move your ship around in a designated space as the screen moves forward.  One of my favorite games from the days of old was Starfox back on SNES, and that is a tunnel shooter for those that can't comprehend what I'm explaining.  Even the devs have that it is so...go look it up.