Come now, you liberals need to speak up. Since the S&P downgrade you guys are all quiet. So what is your take on this situation? Feel like blaming the Tea Party?

Hows that 12.5 prediction of mine working for you VATO?

Want to blame the republicans?

Ok how about both.. Ill compromise.. How about its the democrats, and republicans, and of course Obama(Who is quiet on this and giving it up to the U.S treasury) who has caused this.

Come now.. speak up, speak up!!

Regardless of which side blames which side. One Party will become the dominant force in 2012. Know which one that is?

While I may be bad with predictions. My politics is usually on par.

So lets discuss what we(since it effects all of us) should do. I know one thing, if you believe in "Spending and Big Government you better change your ways. As that according to 100% of the economists interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox will not work at all. So whats your view?

Originally posted by xpowderx

Come now, you liberals need to speak up. Since the S&P downgrade you guys are all quiet. So what is your take on this situation? Feel like blaming the Tea Party?

Hows that 12.5 prediction of mine working for you VATO?

Want to blame the republicans?

Ok how about both.. Ill compromise.. How about its the democrats, and republicans, and of course Obama(Who is quiet on this and giving it up to the U.S treasury) who has caused this.

Come now.. speak up, speak up!!

Regardless of which side blames which side. One Party will become the dominant force in 2012. Know which one that is?

While I may be bad with predictions. My politics is usually on par.

So lets discuss what we(since it effects all of us) should do. I know one thing, if you believe in "Spending and Big Government you better change your ways. As that according to 100% of the economists interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox will not work at all. So whats your view?

First off... stop with the attention whoring.  Your whole post screams of "Talk to ME!  NAO!!!!!"

Second, I never claimed that it wasn't the fault of the Democrats.  Both party's are to blame.  And, that includes the Teabaggers.  They did their part in this fiasco by voting down the Boehner plan, which had less debt increases.  On top of it, the Republicans didn't do what they said they were going to do when voted in 2010.  And, that was, cutting the budget and pork barrel spending.  The main culprit was that they didn't cut the Army's funding of a NASCAR car when it was part of the spending cuts to be voted on.

Third, I have always given part blame to Obama for the craptastic shape the economy is in.  However, I have also given Bush part of the blame as well as he began this mess.

Fourth, as to the S&P downgrade, I agree with daeandor:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Too much power in the hands of one person or agency is a MAJOR no-no.  It leads to major abuses of power.  This seems like one of those times.

Fifth:  No, your politics are not "usually on par".  Because, you include your politics in your predictions.  Again, your prediction success rate is 12.5%.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Come now, you liberals need to speak up. Since the S&P downgrade you guys are all quiet. So what is your take on this situation? Feel like blaming the Tea Party?

Hows that 12.5 prediction of mine working for you VATO?

Want to blame the republicans?

Ok how about both.. Ill compromise.. How about its the democrats, and republicans, and of course Obama(Who is quiet on this and giving it up to the U.S treasury) who has caused this.

Come now.. speak up, speak up!!

Regardless of which side blames which side. One Party will become the dominant force in 2012. Know which one that is?

While I may be bad with predictions. My politics is usually on par.

So lets discuss what we(since it effects all of us) should do. I know one thing, if you believe in "Spending and Big Government you better change your ways. As that according to 100% of the economists interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox will not work at all. So whats your view?

First off... stop with the attention whoring.  Your whole post screams of "Talk to ME!  NAO!!!!!"

Second, I never claimed that it wasn't the fault of the Democrats.  Both party's are to blame.  And, that includes the Teabaggers.  They did their part in this fiasco by voting down the Boehner plan, which had less debt increases.  On top of it, the Republicans didn't do what they said they were going to do when voted in 2010.  And, that was, cutting the budget and pork barrel spending.  The main culprit was that they didn't cut the Army's funding of a NASCAR car when it was part of the spending cuts to be voted on.

Third, I have always given part blame to Obama for the craptastic shape the economy is in.  However, I have also given Bush part of the blame as well as he began this mess.

Fourth, as to the S&P downgrade, I agree with daeandor:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Too much power in the hands of one person or agency is a MAJOR no-no.  It leads to major abuses of power.  This seems like one of those times.

Fifth:  No, your politics are not "usually on par".  Because, you include your politics in your predictions.  Again, your prediction success rate is 12.5%.

Im not trying to argue with you Vato. But for most of the evening you liberals have been very quiet. I agree with you. It is a whole government thing minus the Tea Party(who had it right to begin with). I know you did not like that part, but, well, its the truth of the matter despite our political affiliations. Repubs and Dems alike are attacking that party.

What would you propose as a answer to flip the switch? To turn the economy around. Regardless if what S&P did  is political or if its B.S or not. It will have real ramifications next week both here and abroad. What would you propose as a way to get out of our current situation. Kensian economics wont work with this one. Unlike the Great Depression, Europe is just as weak as we are. Besides, towards the end of the "New Deal" it was becoming evident that those plans did not work. Do you have a proposal that would work?

Us and them
And after all, we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows, it's not what we would choose to do

Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The General sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side

Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and down
And in the end, it's only round and round and round

Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside

They're maybe gonna kill ya. So like, if you give 'em a quick, short, sharp, shock, they don't do it again. Dig it? I mean he get off light, come to think. Of rationalising it, once. It's only a difference, but why go and ruin it? I mean good manners don't cost nothing, do they, eh?

Down and out
It can't be helped, but there's a lot of it about
With, without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about

Out of the way, it's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died

-Pink Floyd, "Us and Them"

1. There's like three actual liberals who post here regularly. Please stop shouting at us to respond at your beck and call, you attention whore.

2. The S&P downgrade is the end result of one party (PROTIP: YOURS) that has shown an unwavering willingness to shoot the hostage to maintain your insanely misguided version of ideological purity. The Tea Party has NO REGARD for reality. The debt ceiling has nothing to do with increasing debt; rather, it's paying bills that have already come due.

The Tea Party tantrum over the debt ceiling is equivalent to going out for a nice steak dinner, then saying you're not going to pay the check.

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Come now, you liberals need to speak up. Since the S&P downgrade you guys are all quiet. So what is your take on this situation? Feel like blaming the Tea Party?

Hows that 12.5 prediction of mine working for you VATO?

Want to blame the republicans?

Ok how about both.. Ill compromise.. How about its the democrats, and republicans, and of course Obama(Who is quiet on this and giving it up to the U.S treasury) who has caused this.

Come now.. speak up, speak up!!

Regardless of which side blames which side. One Party will become the dominant force in 2012. Know which one that is?

While I may be bad with predictions. My politics is usually on par.

So lets discuss what we(since it effects all of us) should do. I know one thing, if you believe in "Spending and Big Government you better change your ways. As that according to 100% of the economists interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox will not work at all. So whats your view?

First off... stop with the attention whoring.  Your whole post screams of "Talk to ME!  NAO!!!!!"

Second, I never claimed that it wasn't the fault of the Democrats.  Both party's are to blame.  And, that includes the Teabaggers.  They did their part in this fiasco by voting down the Boehner plan, which had less debt increases.  On top of it, the Republicans didn't do what they said they were going to do when voted in 2010.  And, that was, cutting the budget and pork barrel spending.  The main culprit was that they didn't cut the Army's funding of a NASCAR car when it was part of the spending cuts to be voted on.

Third, I have always given part blame to Obama for the craptastic shape the economy is in.  However, I have also given Bush part of the blame as well as he began this mess.

Fourth, as to the S&P downgrade, I agree with daeandor:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Too much power in the hands of one person or agency is a MAJOR no-no.  It leads to major abuses of power.  This seems like one of those times.

Fifth:  No, your politics are not "usually on par".  Because, you include your politics in your predictions.  Again, your prediction success rate is 12.5%.

Im not trying to argue with you Vato. But for most of the evening you liberals have been very quiet. I agree with you. It is a whole government thing minus the Tea Party(who had it right to begin with). I know you did not like that part, but, well, its the truth of the matter despite our political affiliations. Repubs and Dems alike are attacking that party.

What would you propose as a answer to flip the switch? To turn the economy around. Regardless if what S&P did  is political or if its B.S or not. It will have real ramifications next week both here and abroad. What would you propose as a way to get out of our current situation. Kensian economics wont work with this one. Unlike the Great Depression, Europe is just as weak as we are. Besides, towards the end of the "New Deal" it was becoming evident that those plans did not work. Do you have a proposal that would work?

No, it's not the "truth" as you claim it is.  It is Ultra-Conservative bias.  The Teabaggers are at fault with the current debt law.  They were prime catalysts in what happened in that debacle.  Those are facts... something that you blatantly ignore.

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Vato knows best! Enjoy next week Vato!

Originally posted by Vato26

No, it's not the "truth" as you claim it is.  It is Ultra-Conservative bias.  The Teabaggers are at fault with the current debt law.  They were prime catalysts in what happened in that debacle.  Those are facts... something that you blatantly ignore.

Here we go again with the "teabaggers" from the dipshit. Do you know what a teabagger is Vato?

And what is an Ultra-Conservative? Are they Conservatives that really REALLY believe in small government and the Constitution?

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Vato26

No, it's not the "truth" as you claim it is.  It is Ultra-Conservative bias.  The Teabaggers are at fault with the current debt law.  They were prime catalysts in what happened in that debacle.  Those are facts... something that you blatantly ignore.

Here we go again with the "teabaggers" from the dipshit. Do you know what a teabagger is Vato?

And what is an Ultra-Conservative? Are they Conservatives that really REALLY believe in small government and the Constitution?

Oh look... Vemoi committed an Alinsky tactic.

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

daeandor answered it quite clearly.  The S&P is now downgrading the US because of debt increases.  Yet, they did NOTHING during the prior debt increases.

The signs are there.  You just are too willfully stupid to see them, Conservative-Based-Moroff.

So what's their bottom line, retard?  How are they benefitting?

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

He can't help it, he actually believes Obama.

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

He can't help it, he actually believes Obama.

as of yesterday he's the only one that does

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

He can't help it, he actually believes Obama.

He can't help it, he actually believes the Teabaggers.

Originally posted by imissswg

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

He can't help it, he actually believes Obama.

as of yesterday he's the only one that does

Oh look.  Powder pulled a statement out of his ass and didn't wash it before showing it to everyone.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by imissswg

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by kobie173

Also, just FYI, the downgrade in the U.S. credit rating is going to have the short-term (at least) effect of driving up interest rates on home loans, auto loans, and the borrowing power of the U.S. government. Is that what you want? Honest question.

This is awesome.  The reason the U.S. credit was downgraded was due to policies and government action that kobie supports.  Then he turns around and says -- as if this makes sense -- "anyone who points this out, that means they wanted the credit to be downgraded.  U SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??"

Actually, S&P's downgrade is suspect at best.  daeandor put it best with this:  "1.  I don't like it when a corporation (S&P) actually gets to hold a government hostage.  They didn't care for *years* that debt was rising, didn't raise a red flag at all, until just before *gasp* an election year.  I call bullshit.  I don't know the real reason this happened, but I am going to make an educated guess that it had more to do with S&P's bottom line than the US Federal Government's bottom line." - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4373161

Oh, and what is the S&P's bottom line?

And while you struggle to answer that, tell me: when you say that "S&P's downgrade is suspect at best," where were you BEFORE the downgrade occurred?  Ihmotepp was saying "unless we increase the debt limit, we're going to get a credit downgrade!!"  I didn't see you jump in and say "that's OK because a downgrade is suspect at best."  LOL.  But when you get the debt limit increase you wanted without spending cuts and the predicted downgrade occurs, all of a sudden everyone predicting doom with a downgrade is like "eh, it's OK, downgrades are actually teh besters!  You're gonna love this downgrade!"

He can't help it, he actually believes Obama.

as of yesterday he's the only one that does

Oh look.  Powder pulled a statement out of his ass and didn't wash it before showing it to everyone.

vato know what time to give up!

the people have spoken on this forum and the days of leftie ideas are over and it's now time for tea party america and you need to change your views and fast cuz we are not going to put up with leftie bs anymore. i think everyone on this forum is with me when i say we are tired of you spreading your treason on this forum. and you need to shut the hell up and go back to school and fast son.

so go look up the tea party and read our ideas on fixing america or gtfo.