Now the numbers will be unreliable forever because Blizzard will count the endless trials as subs...

good work blizzard you could have 2 million subs in NA/Euro and noone would know lol.

Pure genius.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Now the numbers will be unreliable forever because Blizzard will count the endless trials as subs...

good work blizzard you could have 2 million subs in NA/Euro and noone would know lol.

Pure genius.

The above is factually false. Blizzard's sub numbers are presented in very specific terms to not include trial accounts in their financial statements/press releases.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Z3R01

Now the numbers will be unreliable forever because Blizzard will count the endless trials as subs...

good work blizzard you could have 2 million subs in NA/Euro and noone would know lol.

Pure genius.

The above is factually false. Blizzard's sub numbers are presented in very specific terms to not include trial accounts in their financial statements/press releases.

uh hu, We will see my brother logged over to his wow account and damn near all of the games NA servers are on low status. 

in 12 months after GW2 and TOR release if they are still saying they have 11 million subs or we see an increase at all they are tallying the f2p players.

Seriously, whats causing this is the fact that they had continually targeted casual players making things easier and easier over the past several expansions, then they reverse course with Cata trying to make things harder and more complex (in the attempt to add "Depth" to the game) and its the casual players that are jumping ship because there are other games that are accessible.  They brought in so many people by making the game accessible to everyone that when they make changes to make it harder(and add depth of play) its making casual players angry.  Not to mention people are creatures of habit and if you shake up what they know, ie: how to play their characters and the way things work (for 80 levels)with those characters, it takes them out of their element at a HIGH level, when most people think, "Hey, i'm on top of the world and I know how to play my character awesomely now that i'm maxed out level", but then suddenly, they have to "relearn" most of what they learned in the last 80 levels no one really wants to do that. Thats also probably why they've had such a hard time getting "tanks" and "heals" for the LFG tool.  People liked the way tanking and healing was working and were comfortable with it.  So much for that, now they're seeing people jump ship and their numbers are dropping. Good job Blizzavision, keep up the good work and maybe Activision will sell you to a chinese mmo company lol.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Z3R01

Now the numbers will be unreliable forever because Blizzard will count the endless trials as subs...

good work blizzard you could have 2 million subs in NA/Euro and noone would know lol.

Pure genius.

The above is factually false. Blizzard's sub numbers are presented in very specific terms to not include trial accounts in their financial statements/press releases.

uh hu, We will see my brother logged over to his wow account and damn near all of the games NA servers are on low status. 

in 12 months after GW2 and TOR release if they are still saying they have 11 million subs or we see an increase at all they are tallying the f2p players.

Oh the hubris...

I mean we all have seen tons of MMO's fall into that trap, the big one I remember was Star Wars Galaxies and EQ II (wonder if maybe sony employees are now working for blizzard lol?)

they are still soooooo much bigger then any other mmorpg out there and probably will stay to be so for a long time coming. some people leave, they would do so anyway probably. new people will get harder to get into the game as many have tried it already.

as soon as it really becomes an issue blizzard probably has the successor lined up perfectly.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

good thing they have the f2p part or the lost would have been way worst lol

 

Except they don´t count free players in their subscription numbers.  Only players who paid real money in the past month are counted. 

Originally posted by Squiggie

I just wonder how many of those 11.1M are *paying* subs...?

 

All of them.  The footnote from Blizzard always states that it only counts people who have paid real $ in the last 30 days.  Always been that way.

Originally posted by Mahlo

threads like this just reinforce how WoW dominates western MMOs. Supposedly big MMOs liked LotRO only ever had 300k users! the fact it's still top dog, numerous times over, is a bigger story than that it losers some players.

 

Basically this.  WOW can continue to lose 300k subscribers every quarter.. and in 8 years, will still have more players than most of the MMORPGs on this site.

One of the bigger problems with WOW is that it simply makes things too éfficient´for players.  Questing from 80-85 had a lot of quests (something like 1k total).. but there was never any travel time or down time.  They made guestgiving so éfficient´that players just tore through the quests.  In vanilla wow, a zone might have 30 quests.. but you would spend 5 minutes between each quest traveling.  Hyjal had 120 quests that you could complete in under 2 hours, mostly because of new mechanisms they added (auto complete) along with just smoother guestgiver locations.

The same is true of dungeons.  Most of them barely have trash any more.  TOT has more boss fights than trash fights etc.

Blizzard did a good job of getting rid of things players didn´t like that were time consuming.. but in the end, it kinda bit them in the backside.  When things are too efficient, you get done too fast.

That would be an instant  reactivation for me.

Originally posted by DrDream

Do i smell a progression server? :P i would love to play some vanilla wow again.

 

That would be an instant  reactivation for me.

Originally posted by Kemeros

Originally posted by DrDream

Do i smell a progression server? :P i would love to play some vanilla wow again.

 

That would be an instant  reactivation for me.

Same here.

Originally posted by deniter

Originally posted by Kemeros

Originally posted by DrDream

Do i smell a progression server? :P i would love to play some vanilla wow again.

 

That would be an instant  reactivation for me.

Same here.

Throwing my hat in this ring.  Maybe if they lose enough subs they will consider something like this.  Or at least we can dream.

The standard reply is,"They have millions of players,no sweat". Star Wars is looming on the horizon,and lots of anticipated single player games. A pack of small hyenas can bring the largest buffalo to its knees.Gamers seem to be fatally blinded by denial and loyalty. Like when guys hear from 50 people that their girl friend is having a fling with their best friend. "They are just good friends."I sense a disturbance in the force.

Originally posted by Deewe

First much more than half the Wow population is from China, in which country they are far from paying $15 per month.

Then 600k + 300k nearly 1 000 0000 which is roundly 1/4 of their non Chinese subs. Quite a bunch if you wonder.

 

"Regarding WoW's numbers it's made up of the following: at peak about 4.5 million in NA and Europe plus a large number from Asia where WoW is basically a f2p and counts people who play once for 2 minutes as "subscribers". EU population is roughly the same as NA. So NA population at peak was about 2.2 million. WoW is nowhere near it's peak now"

 

And clicky

 

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the haters will obviously love this one, how can we tell this source is even valid?

After reading most of these posts no one has posted one major issue for Subscription loss in North America... Our Economy sucks... Our so called unemployment rate is 9.1% but they only count those who are recieving unemployment checks. In reality the unemployment numbers are probably about 15% - 20%. On the other hand, if you are waiting for Blizzard to announce a new MMORPG... Good luck waiting for that, been waiting over 8 years for Diablo 3... Another thing is, Diablo 3 is going to offer a player to player Auction house, so they will no longer lose money to 3rd party item sellers. If you place an item on the Currency Auction house, Blizz gets paid; if you sell the item, Blizz gets another % of the sell, and if you have your account linked to say a Paypal account and you cash-out of Blizzards account, they again get paid a cash-out fee. The third thing thats going to cause Sub loss are not only SWToR, but GW2... With no monthly fee and the ability of skill based PvP from level 1 to Max without ever touching PvE situations and still getting items is going to be tempting. All classes have some type of heal, all classes can resurrect, can dodge enemy arrows / attacks... It will be interesting to see the Subscription losses on Launch of these 3 games.

Couldn't find the EDIT button, but Dalanon also mentions the Auction house as well...

Thats all... It should be down 10 million!