I've really struggled logging in so I can just say how much bullshit this article is.

Thanks for wasting our time and being completely ignorant.  You are a fool to compare anything to the computer and accessability it provides.

Originally posted by quentin405

And the reason electronics stores dont have many PC games?  Uhm, I dont know a single person that has purchased a hard copy of a game since, maybe Burning Crusade or something.  Discs in boxes (haha) is basically like going to a music store asking for cassettes. Pc gaming is dead in that sense maybe.  Who would want to call around making sure a location has a copy, then driving there, come home, install, then play when you could buy instantly , download while you make lunch or take a shower and bam your in the game??? Not this gamer, nor anyone I know..

And before you cry "DRM DRM", well. I dont know what to tell you, pros and cons to everything I guess.  "DRM" has never once surfaced as an issue for me, but thats probably because I own 120+ games, and once Ive beaten it / got tired of it dont normally go back and play, especially on a new PC.. except for bioware games.. I play the crap outta those.  

Sure the console earns the greater money, but I dont think PC gaming is / or will be dead in any near future.  For every unmoddable / spoon fed / play it ONLY this way console game, there is a starcraft 2 lurking around the corner .. just my 2 cents

I buy a hard copy of every PC game I play if I can. I seriously do not think it wise to trust a company like Steam or similar with having that kind of place in gaming.

To each their own.

Besides... why would electronics stores devote valuable shelf space to PC games.... most which are sold once and provide the purchasers with months of entertainment value.... when they can use that shelf space for Console Gaming cartridges... especially when Console Gamers have been so thoroughly brainwased into believing it's acceptable to buy 3 or 4 games a month?

We all know the "Math" and where that leads. Same place as Farmville. It's all about the numbers.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by TdogSkal

My PC is not going anywhere anytime soon.  Well at least until 3 things are done for consoles.

1. Give me a keyboard and a mouse over that worthless controller.  I am willing to bet an avg Call of Duty player with a keyboard and mouse would kick the shit out of a professional gamer with a PS3 or Xbox360 controller in a 1v1 match.

With modern voice recognition you do not need a keyboard. The tech MS demonstrated at E3, whilenot flashy or an immediate show stopper, was profound in it's implicationsfor the home market to those that can see it.

Mouse vs controller arguments are not valid for the future we talking about in this thread, because 90% of the average home user population will be using a combination of (advanced) Kinect type input, voice recognition (already being pushed by MS), and maybe still even physical controllers (if only for a transitional persiod).

The remaining 10% will be playing their games in their PC ghetto against other mouse users.

2. I will be gaming on my PC until games like the Total War collection can work and work well on consoles.  Has anyone played Civilization 4 on the consoles and then played it on the PC.   It is not even the same game, no depth like the PC version.

And yet I play Civ 5 on my PC using a controller.

3. Until I can run my console and watch TV which I currently do while playing on my PC, then my PC stays.  Watching a movie or show while playing on the PC is great.  When I play my PS3 or Xbox360, I cannot watch a movie at the same time unless I have 2 TVs in the same room which only happens during the NHL playoffs in my house.

Having 2 monitors or having 2 TVs... there is no difference.

Having a console running on one and your other streaming content from the cloud for you to watch is exactly the same.

You are not thinking in termsof where things are heading, only where things are now and your personal set up.

PCs are not going anywhere in the home and they will not be leaving the business world anytime soon.

The PC will not die, but it will become to tool of the niche enthusiast and professional.

In terms of mass market though, it is already redundent, the message just hasnt reached the dinosaur's brain yet. You are simply part of that dinosaur.

 

Well every expert I have read say the next evolution for the console will the the last.  So don't get too hung up on consoles.

The term 'console' is dated and needs to be dumped,I agree. The term has too many negative connatations to it that limit it's market, but the principle will be the same- the fact is that it will be a 'media hub' that replaces the PC for the average domestic home user.

The 360 has taken massive steps in this direction already, now MS need to translate it's lessons into true mass appeal. The notion of an internet connected 'hub' that offers games as well as everything else the average housewife uses needs to rebranded away from the 'games console' and resold for any mass change to happen.

The 'entertainment hub' needs to reposition itself, while still offering games that appeal to your average Halo fan.

I have, after watching MS at E3, have no doubt that this is what we will see from them in the next generation omwards and if anyone can put this in every home in the next decade it wil be them (even over Apple).

 As to voice recognition It has a lot of downsides to it (noise being the major one) and it is still only marginally usable at this time.

I disagree. I use voice recognition on an almost daily basis.

'marginal' is a gross under recognition to how advanced and effective the technology already is.

Kinect like systems are probably more the future than voice will be when it comes to games.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but keyboards are going to be around for some time to come.

I agree about Kinect systems, but Kinect already has voice recognition and is obviously the direction MS is heading instead of keyboards for the average home user. VR is already being started to be used in games (ME3's control of henchmen for example).

Kinect IS voice recognition, amongst other things

And yes, I agree keyboards will be around for a while yet, I am not talking about a massive sea change next year or anything. I am obviously talking about the future (but the closer then you probably think future)

and don't worry, nothing you said was convincing enough to burst any bubbles. No need to be sorry.

First time i heard that statement was like 15 years ago...

Originally posted by LachlanMac

I've really struggled logging in so I can just say how much bullshit this article is.

 

Thanks for wasting our time and being completely ignorant.  You are a fool to compare anything to the computer and accessability it provides.

 

 I'll take "People who didn't read the article past the title, but felt the need to chime in to be part of the crowd" for $400 Alex.

Congrats! You're part of the crowd! Huzzzaaahh!

On a side note, judging from your actions and vagueness based on title gleaning, I can see why you "struggled" to log in.

Next time have your helper monkey loosen the straps on your helmet so you get a bit more air.

Stay Classy!

-Coyote

Originally posted by LachlanMac

I've really struggled logging in so I can just say how much bullshit this article is.

 

Thanks for wasting our time and being completely ignorant.  You are a fool to compare anything to the computer and accessability it provides.

Hahahah..classic. Thanks for proving that you didn't even read the article.

Consoles have their uses. But look at their development cycle. 5-7 years in between if one is lucky. Not only that, but its becoming all too common for the next generation not to be compatable with the software for the last generation.  Not to mention that the PS3 development seriously bent Sonys profit margin, and I can't see them doing even more of that for the PS4. 

 Look back 5 to 7 years, and what did Nvida and ATI have running in terms of graphic cards? Now look at the most recent  version... Look at the difference between directX 9 and directX 11.  I seriously doubt that the PC is going to be leaving our lives anytime soon. 

Not to mention that we all know what the internet is for.... ^^

Was he in an Apple store?

Because there are more apple computers used in product placement then are in use by actual consumers, and if i were Apple i would want to insist that computers will die.

Originally posted by Micro_angel

First time i heard that statement was like 15 years ago...

and you were talking to a console sales person who got a commission on every unit he sold?

i love the look of the games my kids play, but alas the controller is beyond me.  it all started back in the early 80's when going they put a bunch of new buttons on the arcade games that replaced the joystick, and even then as a teen i knew i couldn't hang.  When you can only get maybe 8 or 10 quarters out of your parents then there gone in ten min you know you've been forced out of the market.  So i hope the beloved pc games stick around

I'm sure computers will be around for a long time to come.

I'm old enough to have heard this for a couple of decades.

Mind you, I'm also old enough to remember when microcomputers such as the old Speccy and C64 were going to make consoles redundant and they never really did. I also remember when we thought that neither consoles or computers would ever have the raw power and graphic awesomeness of arcade machines.

I also remember when the mouse was a gimmick that would never catch on, phones were the size of a housebrick and required a car battery in a suitcase to run (and were never going to be for anything other than phoning people) and the tablet concept was a silly one (what a computer with no keyboard, limited functionality and more expensive than a viable desktop? LMAO!!) but yet here we are.

Point is, no-one knows what the future holds for computers or consoles and everyone is just guessing. In fact I would be willing to bet good money that whatever happens in the future it'll be something no-one could possibly predict today.

One thing I am willing to have a stab at predicting is that the 1980s-style desktop setup, with all it's wires and ugliness will get a more elegent redesign at some point.

Beyond that, who the hell knows?

I don't think you'll see the PC or consoles die, but instead see the two begin to merge.  The hardware in consoles is quite comparable to a decent PC these days.

Microsoft stands in a great position to re-establish it's monopoly on the software market by establishing it's XBOX 360 and its' further iterations as one of the go to places for fun and work.  The only thing preventing this is some sort of base standard for hardware that would allow things like application software to be sold for all Console PC's.

Imagine how much easier it would be to only match a game to a few hardware specs as opposed to potentially hundreds.

I would have to disagree with his assumptions and otherwise mediocre attempt to have a witty laugh out loud article.

Basically you can get porn on any device nowadays, tablet PC's to your consoles via web using a keyboard and mouse, just like a PC. So based on porn the PC is not going to die? I find it hard to believe that would be why if anything that the PC would continue to just survive. PC's are going to survive for more multitude of reasons, and logical reasons then using PORN as one, as described by this guys attempt at trying to make us laugh.

So let me digress, is this a article solely to provoke logical responses or was it done to provoke idiots into thinking your statements hold credibility because they approve of your laugh out loud article. Which I might add, was not funny to me. Porn is good for times, but in this articles case of use does not hold any credible reasoning to why a PC would survive just based on porn.

Logical reasoning would suffice to a more direct thought process. For instance, creating and scientific research. I can name many more, what about the ease of use vs a console or other device, storing data. Playing advanced games or compatibility of features not yet on consoles or other devices. The PC can't die even if it didn't have porn, to many reasons that make sense why it would stay. By the way everything created starts with a PC nowadays. Also PC have far more uses then just consoles or other devices could ever have, at least in this point in time.

Hey MMORPG.com, put your reply box at the TOP of the page instead of fifty feet down under the pit of Tartarus.

AlfoKenty:

[quote]

I play games on PC and on console systems. For me a controller is much better then a keyboard/mouse. Why?

1. You move your character with a joystick. That is much easier then WASD or mouse and you have much better control over your character.

2. You look around with a joystick. The same argument as above. So with only using two thumbs you have very fine control moving your character and looking around. How many fingers do you need for that on keyboard/mouse?

3. Beside 2 joysticks you have 20 basic keys on a controller. You can have more if you are using combination of keys, like using SHIFT or CTRL. Using 20 keys on a keyboard (beside WASD) without looking is difficult as hell. On a controller you can very easy remember their locations because of the configuration of a controller.

Three more reasons why I prefer console systems over PC:

1. You can play on a big TV.

2. You can have great sound.

3. You can sit comfortably in a sofa. [/quote]

seeing your 1, 2, & 3 caused me to comment on your whole post..

i prefer mouse and keyboard.. personally i know my keyboard as well as any controller person knows their controller. i dont have to look at my keyboard at all and hit what i intend to hit every time.

i can use wasd moving my character in any direction while at the same time hitting my macro keys, and turning the camera behind me with the mouse while firing or attacking whatever i am moving to or from.. without lookin at either the keyboard or the mouse..

its what i am used to after 30+ years of computer use..

as far as 1, i play on a 46" 1080p hdlcd tv that is my computer monitor. (i did try out a 60" plasma for awhile but went to a smaller tv because it fit and felt better to me.)

as far as 2, i have a 7.1 stereo surround sound with my system with an office that has great acoustics. in a fps like CoD i can tell the direction of fire and approximate distance to that person that made the shot. that can shake the windows upstairs if i hit the volume over 60%.

my desk is a 36" x 72" office desk with my monitor attached to the wall infront of me, i use a wireless trackball mouse and keyboard with a reclining high back leather office desk chair, i actually dont have a couch in my house at the moment, havent seen the need to have one since i threw the old one out no one has missed it..

just because your comp is sitting there with a lil 17" monitor on a flimsy shaky desk and your sitting on a 20$ plastic desk chair from wal mart dont think that everyone else in the world uses the same set ups. (just hazarding a guess, not meaning it as an insult.)

i have a better gaming set up than most console users have in their living rooms and i am sure there are people that have alot better set ups than i do.

console users spend their money on making their gaming area comfortable and nice.. most pc users that arent kids sponging off their parents spend their money making their corner/space/room/office as cool and as comfortable as a console would their living room.

and the best thing about pc over console in my opinion.. i dont have to give my chair up or turn off the computer when company comes over to talk to the wife.. they dont need to be in my office period..

equipment arguments are moot.. a comp can use anything a console can use... most tvs have video inputs of some type.. most video cards have hdmi ports.. comps can use 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound systems.. so arguing console is better because i can have a big tv is well simply untrue, since i can match anything you can use.

personally the only people i ever hear saying comps are dead are ones that either have only ever used an android type phone, or grew up on console games (basically youngins).

yeah comps will change eventually get smaller stronger.. maybe even eventually merge into a type of system that runs everything, home ent systems, as well as networking through everything else.. but i dont ever see them truly disappearing.

maybe end up with something that is a bastardized merge of all the console systems, computer, and a central server running the fridge, washer, dryer, water heater, and thermostats of the house controlled by some phone pad hybrid thing that works as the main interface of the whole house and all of its entertainment possibilities.

Originally posted by dinnin
maybe end up with something that is a bastardized merge of all the console systems, computer, and a central server running the fridge, washer, dryer, water heater, and thermostats of the house controlled by some phone pad hybrid thing that works as the main interface of the whole house and all of its entertainment possibilities.

Yep, It's all gonna get mashed together into one, at some point.

And when it does, controller aren't going to be the standard, probably an option, and you'll probably have both...

The controller for scrolling through the movie selection on the interweb-movie-rental-shop.

But who wants to type up 9 pages of text which is due to tomorrow, with a controller. :P

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No, but seriously, it's coming.

I do like my Xbox, picked up a PS3 last year and I hate the controler so much I stopped playing the ps compleatly, gathers dust now :(

weird how the little things can mean so much.

OK lets get some things out straight away - I love my PC and have been building PCs for 15years, I also work with game dev.

Ok as people have rightly pointed out PCs will not disappear - people will still have them for certain things, work and other things

BUT PC gaming will die, lets be honest it is dying now, very slowly but it is dying, apart from Blizzard there are what other big house who dev for PCs?  Very few is the answer.

Now the reasons why PC gaming will die is as follows (it will be a very sad day):

Consoles will finally have the power to compete directly with high end machines, this has been happening slowly but every new console got that little bit closer to a PC on power, sound, gfx and mp.

A price of console is a fraction of a brand new PC - i would suggest even for the next gen of consoles (xbox 720/PS4) they will be able to successful perform/outperform the new top end PCs that will cost 4 times more to build.  The new console will be able to keep this up for 3-5 years, in that time you will be required to spend a further amount of money on the PC to keep it up there (new gfx ever 18months, additional ram etc)

MS is already looking at the 720 to have keyboard and mouse support

It is easier to develope for consoles as there is less testing required

HD television, tablets and smart phones in their own way will all help in the demise of the PC as a gaming platform, cost vs performance will finally make the PC unviable, also if the future is as most people are looking cloud computing will also put its foot in for the PC gamer

I will have to disagree... Only way computer dies is there is "advanced comptuer"  like.... virtual Reality from movie "Lawnmowerman".  Otherwise comptuer will never dies out.