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  MMOExposed

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OP  7/07/11 7:40:17 PM#1

Why do we continue to have Gender races and classes in modern MMORPGs?

Is this something you all like, and accept?

I like to play with a avatar that ether looks close to me, or is the same gender as me.

But I see this trend of MMORPGs with classes and races that may restrict me to a female avatar, or something like that.

 whats the purpose of this?

  Neverdyne

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7/07/11 7:42:20 PM#2

Because these are games and not everyone wants to look exactly like in real life? Some people want to play elves, dwarves, etc.? Because variety is good?

  kaiser3282

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7/07/11 7:48:24 PM#3

Right... because geneder locked classes are a thing right of all those MMORPGS that existed back in the 70's.

It really depends. In most cases, thats done in eastern (Korean, japanese, etc) games, which have very different history than we do and different views & beliefs. In some cases they simply view certain roles as being male and others as female, and arent forced to allow everyone to be everything because everyone is equal but special like what happens in the U.S. (this bullshit of "we wanted to be treated equal" while at the same time saying "we want to have our own special groups and benefits and special treatments that only we have, and nobody elss is allowed to join unless theyre the same race, sex, religion, etc")

Aside from that, sometimes it just plain fits the lore of the game and their characters/classes. For example in WAR, some classes you can play both genders, but other are restricted to male or female only. Would it make sense to have a male Witch Elf (which AFAIK all throughout Warhammer history, have always been female). Same goes for Disciple of Khaine.

  bleyzwun

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7/07/11 7:52:05 PM#4
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Right... because geneder locked classes are a thing right of all those MMORPGS that existed back in the 70's.

lol...

  Willy123

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7/07/11 7:55:30 PM#5

There were MMORPG's in the '70s?

  User Deleted
7/07/11 7:59:58 PM#6

everytime i look at that justin bieber female look alike on america's got talent.. it makes me value our societies gender roles.

  Sovrath

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7/07/11 8:00:14 PM#7
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why do we continue to have Gender races and classes in modern MMORPGs?

Is this something you all like, and accept?

I like to play with a avatar that ether looks close to me, or is the same gender as me.

But I see this trend of MMORPGs with classes and races that may restrict me to a female avatar, or something like that.

 whats the purpose of this?

More than likely it has to do with how gender is viewed. And that doesn't mean in a negative way.

Gender is a very powerful thing. We have many preconceptions about what gender is about and what roles certain genders normally assume.

Look at the role of the nurse. traditionally it is a female role. But looking arbitrarily at what a nurse does nothing about it screams "woman!"

Yet, take a warrior and make that warrior female and suddenly one gets a whole different view on what that might be about.

If I was to make a game I would definitley include special select classes that were gender locked. Amazons for women or something like the Kiyoshi warriors in Avatar (not the bad live action movie) for instance.

Maybe a special class just for men like "juggernaut" for very huge powerful men wielding weapons far too large for anyone who is not capable of building their body up to massive arnold proportions.

Assigning gender to a class creates a certain type of depth as it assigns a slew of ideas and expectations on how that gender came to that job. Why they assume that job. Why only a woman might be interested or capable of one thing and a man another.

Look at the Wheel of Time books.

Regardless of whether you like them or not I find Jordan's use of gender and the differences between men and woman wielding the power to be very interesting. How healing a woman with certain weaves only allows them to slightly touch the source of power but a man is fully restored.

There is a certain type of depth to the idea of gender and class.

of course, we has "modern" people have spent so much time defending gender roles or trying to break gender roles that sometimes we forget that men and women are different in many ways.

  User Deleted
7/07/11 8:06:21 PM#8

That's gender locked classes.  They do it to save money on artwork.

 

I played one a while back where, if you wanted to play a priest, you were locked into a model that looked like a 9 year old girl.  To make it worse, she had a twitch animation built into her idle... maybe cute for the first 3 times but seriously annoying beyond that.

  fallonfallon

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7/07/11 8:10:15 PM#9
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Right... because geneder locked classes are a thing right of all those MMORPGS that existed back in the 70's.

It really depends. In most cases, thats done in eastern (Korean, japanese, etc) games, which have very different history than we do and different views & beliefs. In some cases they simply view certain roles as being male and others as female, and arent forced to allow everyone to be everything because everyone is equal but special like what happens in the U.S. (this bullshit of "we wanted to be treated equal" while at the same time saying "we want to have our own special groups and benefits and special treatments that only we have, and nobody elss is allowed to join unless theyre the same race, sex, religion, etc")

Aside from that, sometimes it just plain fits the lore of the game and their characters/classes. For example in WAR, some classes you can play both genders, but other are restricted to male or female only. Would it make sense to have a male Witch Elf (which AFAIK all throughout Warhammer history, have always been female). Same goes for Disciple of Khaine.

 here is your answer ! well done !

  Adamantine

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7/08/11 5:27:00 AM#10

Darn I'm too tired for this.

  arieste

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7/08/11 5:32:38 AM#11
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why do we continue to have Gender races and classes in modern MMORPGs?

Is this something you all like, and accept?

I like to play with a avatar that ether looks close to me, or is the same gender as me.

But I see this trend of MMORPGs with classes and races that may restrict me to a female avatar, or something like that.

 whats the purpose of this?

Well you see, you like to play an avatar that looks close to YOU.  Other people like to play avatars that looks close to the THEM.  And people look different and come in different genders.  So someone who is a hot female, may want to play an avatar that is also a hot female.  So they will choose the hot female avatar.  

 

Then there are people who want to play a fictional character and may choose to play something crazy and wacky and even non-human - like an elf or a dwarf.

 

If you want to play an avatar that male, pick the male avatar.  I don't think i know any games that don't have an avatar of both sexes. 

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7/08/11 5:37:39 AM#12

Yes, I'm fine with gender locked classes if it fits with the lore or there are some physical reasons that justify it.

I'd actually be fine with no female, plate wearing warriors, yet most games permit this.

Like others have said, witches are female, warlocks are male, while wizards, rangers, assassins can go either way in my book.

While I generally play male characters, if I want to play a particular class I'll roll a female avatar if that's all the game permits.

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7/08/11 5:42:27 AM#13
Originally posted by bleyzwun
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Right... because geneder locked classes are a thing right of all those MMORPGS that existed back in the 70's.

lol...

I'm sorry, but this line is a classic. Bravo!

  itchmon

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7/08/11 5:44:48 AM#14

mostly because the lore of the game world says that everyone of X profession is male (female)... or sometimes, all members of X race are male (female) asis the case with orks in WH (who don't reproduce in the normal way according to the lore) or Galka in ff11 (which also don't reproduce in the normal way). 

 

usually the decision to gender-lock a class orrace has nothing to do with any prejudice or desire to inconvenience the game's clients.

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7/08/11 5:46:13 AM#15
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Right... because geneder locked classes are a thing right of all those MMORPGS that existed back in the 70's.

It really depends. In most cases, thats done in eastern (Korean, japanese, etc) games, which have very different history than we do and different views & beliefs. In some cases they simply view certain roles as being male and others as female, and arent forced to allow everyone to be everything because everyone is equal but special like what happens in the U.S. (this bullshit of "we wanted to be treated equal" while at the same time saying "we want to have our own special groups and benefits and special treatments that only we have, and nobody elss is allowed to join unless theyre the same race, sex, religion, etc")

Aside from that, sometimes it just plain fits the lore of the game and their characters/classes. For example in WAR, some classes you can play both genders, but other are restricted to male or female only. Would it make sense to have a male Witch Elf (which AFAIK all throughout Warhammer history, have always been female). Same goes for Disciple of Khaine.

Ehrrr... I never heard of "male witches"... :P

Think outside the box! A female "witch" is obviously an evil female magician. No need for neither race, gender or class to describe this. All you need are certain skills & some thinking.

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7/08/11 5:50:50 AM#16
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why do we continue to have Gender races and classes in modern MMORPGs?

Is this something you all like, and accept?

I like to play with a avatar that ether looks close to me, or is the same gender as me.

But I see this trend of MMORPGs with classes and races that may restrict me to a female avatar, or something like that.

 whats the purpose of this?

Eh...? The only games i have come across latly to do that are action RPG's and those asian micro-games that play like old beat em up games...I can not think of one modern game from a major (western) studio that have gender locked classes or races.

 

But why we have them...? Pretty simple to answer. If you have only one model with only one frame you only need to make one version of gear and animations for that class saving huge amounts of money. Plain... and Simple.

 

Ah... vell i was wrong... I can think of one game... Warhammer Online. With the two genderlocked classes slayers and witchelves being genderlocked due to lore (the changed a lot of lore to give most races/classes female/male  options.)

This have been a good conversation

  Sagasaint

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7/08/11 6:18:08 AM#17

gender locked classes is only widespread among low budget generic asian free to play MMOS

 

and yeah, those are trapped in 1970, gameplay-wise. they always were. they will always be.

 

you get what you pay for

  MMOExposed

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OP  7/08/11 7:54:24 AM#18
Originally posted by Sagasaint

gender locked classes is only widespread among low budget generic asian free to play MMOS

 

and yeah, those are trapped in 1970, gameplay-wise. they always were. they will always be.

 

you get what you pay for

 

but I didn't pay anything. It was free

  Sagasaint

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7/08/11 8:57:20 AM#19
 Originally posted by MMOExposed
but I didn't pay anything. It was free

exactly

  merrua

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8/05/11 3:49:03 AM#20

It's just because developers are lazy, its cheaper to just make the artwork for one.  

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