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8/02/11 12:54:36 PM#241
Eh... What ever I'll buy it and I'll play it through and put it in the closet. This whole buy an Uber sword in the cash shop so I can be leet stuff, just reinforces my belief in the stupidity of humanity. |
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8/02/11 12:54:58 PM#242
I feel like this is akin to a parent telling a teenager, "if you're going to drink, please do it in my house under my supervision." I've never been a fan of using real money to buy/sell ingame items, but this may be the only way for Blizzard to make sure it happens in a safe, legitimate manner. What's the alternative? |
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8/02/11 1:06:54 PM#243
Originally posted by servedogg None of the above my friend. Diablo for me is a Single Player RPG game, and I like to enjoy it as such, exploring its world, taking on on its challenges, adventuring and defeating its foes and completingthe story. I really do not care much about the items I can have or could have had, as long as i can go through it, and momentarilly live through its world and Lore in the familiar Story Arc, I am happy. I do not buy Solo Games that require me to be connected online period. The reason is because I buy solo games so that Ic an enjoy them anywhere I would like to like during a weekend up in the country house on my own time and pleasure without hassles. I do play MMORPG's since the day of 28,8 k Modems mind you, and these I also buy and Subscribe to knowing that they come with an Online connection. As a consumer, I like to have the line between Online games and Solo games separate because I play them in different circumstances and Context. It is as simple as that. So, if they want security and anti-pirating they can have the game like many other companies do require an online registration to be able to be installed. But after that, it has to be playable Offline like any other Solo game too. The fact that we like games doesn't mean we are plugged in to a chair and a High Speed connection 24/7. Unless Blizzard wants to remove itself from the Solo game Segment of the market. if that is the case, tell us and we will seek another company to buy games from. |
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8/02/11 1:10:58 PM#244
Originally posted by servedogg
Yeah, who cares.. don't like it don't buy it... Not buying a game sends a message. If enough people are upset they won't buy it and blizzard will change it. If no one cares then they'll buy it. http://www.clan.net |
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Alot
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/04/11
Minister of Propaganda for GW2 Fascist-Capitalist Party |
8/02/11 1:13:45 PM#245
"Why we crack down on real-money trading http://guildwars.com/support/rmt/rmt-en.php *Cough* I got the strange idea that this might be related. |
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8/02/11 1:15:43 PM#246
Originally posted by Stormreaver
Personally, I'd MUCH rather them drink at home (if they insist on it) and learn to deal with the effects, rather than out and about in the world as it were. I'd much prefer they didn't, but life is about choices. When you start dictating peoples choices, no matter the original intentions, it leads down the path to tyranny (which is how we ended up with the excessive nanny state we have). I can see why Blizzard is doing this for multiple reasons, and it makes sense, given the reality of human nature. I'm still looking forward to D3. |
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8/02/11 1:16:52 PM#247
Originally posted by laserit I reckon the lack of general open mindedness brings on a bigger downfall for humanity than the purchase of a virtual item. The consequences of this feature is blown out of proportion. People need to understand that this happens in games today anyway. The difference now is that everyone has access to it, and not just a selected few. If the cut Blizzard takes is in any way signifcant enough to make a difference, it would probably end up coming back to the game in terms of quality. |
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8/02/11 1:31:45 PM#248
Having RMT that all players can participate in is not like telling your children to drink at home instead of outside. You can rephrase that as, "Something not allowed before, is now OK." You could just as easily say that having a Real Money Auction House in game is like allowing women to vote. Except it's not. People keep trying to attach a moral argument or comparison to RMT in games, when there is none. It's not cheating if you aren't breaking the rules. It's not now, nor has it ever been illegal. It will not permanently scar you or your family and it will not cause a breakdown in the social makeup of society. In regards to children and drinking, you do not allow your children to drink in the house. If they are going somewhere and you think there's going to be drinking, do not let them go. If they go somewhere and drink, you punish them. On top of all that, do not drink in your house yourself. ^^ This has nothing to do with Blizzard's real money auction house. Join the League For Gamers. |
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8/02/11 1:46:30 PM#249
Originally posted by lizardbones I was trying to draw a connection to Blizzard's feelings towards RMT and not argue on moral grounds (or over our differing styles of parenting). Blizzard doesn't approve of RMT in WoW, and they didn't approve of it in previous Diablo games. It has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with Blizzard's attitude. However, they realize that RMT will happen regardless of how they feel about it. To go back to the drinking comparison: parents do not have the ability to stop all drinking everywhere. They simply cannot shut it down, so instead they create a safe space for it and maybe make a little cash in addition. |
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8/02/11 1:55:56 PM#250
I see it as a good thing. I'll never use it, but I would imagine that blizzard is going to use the money earned with the fees to remove the spammers. I loved diablo 2 but the spammers have made the game unplayable online for me.
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8/02/11 2:09:44 PM#251
Originally posted by BizkitNL Plus, who cares what everyone else buys? Most people played D2 as a Co-op RPG with friends. You do your thing, play the game your way with your friends, and whatever everyone else does is completely irrelevant. None of that has changed whatsoever. Even if you want to play publicly with random strangers, play the game how you want and don't worry about where everyone else is getting their gear. And if you play the game just to get the best gear and show it off in town in attempt to impress random strangers, then I suggest you get other priorities :p Even if that is your top priority, you can still get all the best stuff the legit way, although admittedly you would be at a slight disadvantage. And every time someone inspects you or you inspect someone else, they/you will wonder if you/they got their gear through a RMT. So in that regard, status associated with gear is slightly tarnished. But to that I say thank god. |
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Alot
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/04/11
Minister of Propaganda for GW2 Fascist-Capitalist Party |
8/02/11 2:14:50 PM#252
Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: “Theoretically that’s true, but I mean there’s really nothing… what’s the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean they’re really doing the same activity.” With the Auction House there'll be even less differences between gold farmers and hardcore players. |
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8/02/11 2:17:22 PM#253
Currently playing around with Titan Quest. 8 classes, dual-classes, quite impressive. But I miss the HC-mode. Now with this RMAH what do you think which crowd you will see more? The ninja looters or people who give away some epics (uniques, rares, set-items)? |
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8/02/11 4:18:02 PM#254
Originally posted by lizardbones
Totally agree, with the first part. The Dev's make the rules, and if they say that something is allowed, then by definition its not cheating. Blizzard isn't doing anything thats all that unexpected, nor that would make me not play D3. As for the other, we will have to agree to disagree. I did mention human nature. Drinking is its own punishment, so more on top of that is redundent. ^^ At the age when drinking typically becomes an issue, if they haven't been taught the truth about such choices, there are much greater issues to deal with. |
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Nifa
Advanced Member
Joined: 11/07/08
You can get more with a kind word & a 2x4 than you can with just a kind word |
8/02/11 7:32:03 PM#255
Originally posted by EricDanie Well, the article I read on it quoted Rob Pardo directly, so I'm thinking it's safe to say we're not talking leaks here, but the actual policy. With that out of the way, there are two things that bother me here: 1 - the single-player game cannot be played without an internet connection. My internet goes out, I'm in the hospital, what have you, no D3. It didn't work for Ubisoft, but BLizzard thinks it's a good idea anyway. Is it piracy, or Blizzard's potential AH profits? Don't know, don't care. Not buying the game because of it. 2 - It's one thing when RMT is illegal and being run out of Chinese sweatshops and companies like Blizz are actively seeking to squash it. When Blizz and others say "screw it, can't squash it, may as well make a few bucks from it," that's when I have an issue. Sony did it by allowing players to sell characters and items and taking a cut, now Blizz is doing it. Am I the only person who has a problem with Blizzard looking to SOE for advice on how to run games? "You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr |
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8/03/11 1:27:48 AM#256
The markets will eventually saturate itself. And there will always be under cutters. I don't see a particular problem with this. |
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8/03/11 9:52:04 PM#257
Originally posted by Malevil You know what the funny thing about that is... how absolutely clueless you are of how reality works. Something condoned by the developers is not cheating. Just like something that has been legalized is no longer a crime. You cant "fight against crime" when what youre fighting against isnt a crime. And just like we used to have a LOT of ridiculous nonsensical laws based on the ideas of a bunch of, amongst other things, religious fanatics.... eventually we grew up and realized there is no valid and truthful reason for some things to be illegal. Think about some of the things that are against the law where you live. Do you even understand why they are illegal and how that came to be, or do you simply say "it's just illegal, thats all that matters" and go about your day? Would you really expect gaming to not go the same route? Can you give a single good reason why controlled forms of RMT, put in the game by the devs themselves, should not be allowed? No, i dont want your personal opinion on wether or not you like it, becaus ethere will always be someone who feels differently. Im talking a solid factual point regarding some harm that it will cause to others, and a reason why it shouldnt be allowed. Truth is, there isnt one. There is nothing unfair about it. Just about everyone can make use of the system. Dont like spending real money of your own? Fine, sell your stuff for points and use them to buy what you want. It is absolutely no different than the AH in any other game except for 1 thing: in another game you would have spent hours/days/weeks doing some repetitive task to get that item, not actually playing just for enjoyment, but grinding/farming for an item. In D3 you can still do that if you prefer it, OR you can do something like be useful and go get a job for those several hours a day you spent farming and use a very small % of what you earned in all that time to buy the same thing. Hell i'd bet the majority of the people against this either a) dont have jobs and mooch of their family b) dont have jobs on collect a welfare check c) have poor paying jobs that they dont enjoy and cant provide for their families a smuch as they could if they applied themselves in real life instead of spending half their time on video games or d) are students without jobs but are applying themselves to be succesful in the future Of those 4, only the last has any real excuse to not have a bit of disposable income. The other 3 should stop being so worried about how something like this effects their gaming "experience" and worry more about their real life "experience" and why theyre even bothered by whats happening in a fantasy world while their children wonder why theyre going to need financial aid if they ever want to go to college. |
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8/04/11 4:26:28 PM#258
Originally posted by kaiser3282 Im talking a solid factual point regarding some harm that it will cause to others, and a reason why it shouldnt be allowed. Allowing RMT in your game is taboo because game developer control the whole system. They have full control over the quanity of currency ingame, thus its inflation, same with items and drop tables. They can create or delete anything instantly, transfer anything to anyone as they wish. There is no possible mean for the players or anyone to control what they do ingame. So if they directly link all this with real money, do you even comprehend how easy and efficient their control is. They could easely scam everyone playing their game in a matter of second, espcially with DNA stating that they pocess all of it ;p I know they will prbably never do this, but it would be so easy to pull any small or heavy scam of it its scary. Even if they don't want to scam they control the inflation and the rarity of items. Basically they can manipulate the system as they wish. thats probably why they only take a fee, they don't even need to scam to make money of this; a fee is probably more than enough since they control the inflation, so the rate of transactions. For exemple if they refresh their loot table often, they are sure you will have to use the trading system, what is an uber loot today might be crap in 6 month when you replay the game. That is just an exemple right to explain. That full control i think is why there is a taboo, its just too easy. Not only that but it is also uncontrolable. There is no possbile way for you to know what they are doing, you have to trust them blindly. Its just weird and scary imo, did they really needed that. I mean wasn't item binding as it was in D2 on the best drop enough to stop RMT? Why did they took away item binding, it seam a bit hypocrit on their part to say they want to fight RMT, and then make all the item tradable isn't it. Its not like an hack and slash game like Diablo couldn't do fine without a super easy trade system. What would be nice is to have some servers without RMT auction house, that would be nice. |
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8/04/11 4:43:33 PM#259
Originally posted by Requiamer If they do, and get caught they could face jail time. Not saying rich people don't rip people off for even more money they don't really need, eq; wallstreet, but why take the risk? Plus, not everyone is a crooked sob. Some of us do whats right because we like to do whats right even when its a tough decision.
You can judge a persons character by what they do when no ones looking. |
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8/04/11 5:53:43 PM#260
Originally posted by Requiamer See now you actually have a bit of common sense, and you have some good points, but much of that is an entirely different subject. The majority of the complaints in here basically amount to "OMG RMT IS EVIL!!!!" without any regard to what form the RMT takes, who is running it, what the conditions are, etc. Youre right, they could do what you say, but well they would pretty much lose the majority of their players. Just look at all the QQ about the fact that RMT even exists in the game and the "screw this game, gonna play Torchlight 2" posts. If they pulled shady crap like youre talking about it would be even worse. Besides that, it is just a game after all, and nobody is required to play it and spend the money youre talking about if they do start doing that stuff. The only way anyone would be "harmed" by such a system is if they let themselves be, by being gullible and naive and just shelling out cash for something that isnt at all worth it without thinking it through. |
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