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  stayontarget

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8/02/11 8:53:27 AM#41
Originally posted by Zzad

Well i think most players would never buy gold or items from illegal third companies or gold sellers.... but with this new auction house Blizzard is bringing with Diablo 3 most playes WILL do buy items for cash... so at the end we´ll just get a pay-to-win game.

No one will sell powerfull items for in game currency while they can sell for real money.... so...

No thanks...i´m not playing that crap.

I agree, most players never did buy items.  But now its in-game & in your face,  it will be all to tempting now.

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  BadSpock

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8/02/11 8:53:34 AM#42
Originally posted by Aethaeryn

Just like so many other games. . D3 and Blizzard won't be getting my money. . they might get money from 1/2 the number of people they used to.   They will, however get 3X the money from the other half. . they still win.  I think I am just getting old or gaming has just grown as a business and it is not for me anymore.  Glad Steam sells my old favourites for $5 - $10 once in a while.

 I think this brings up a very valid point.

Modern gaming might only get money from 1/2 of the portion of the population that they would have gotten money from in the past - i.e. more "old school" or traditional gamers that are older now and have either moved on to other things or are more selective.

But, there exists thousands of times more gamer's over all.

 

So no, they will get money from 3x the number of people they used to, but of the people who they would have gotten money from in the past, maybe only 1/2 of them will still buy into the new stuff.

Makes sense?

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  lizardbones

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8/02/11 8:56:57 AM#43


Originally posted by Aethaeryn


Originally posted by Chilliesauce


Originally posted by Kabaal



Originally posted by Chilliesauce

I hardly played D2 offline so it is no big deal for me. Also, it will kill piracy which is a good thing. I was never planning to play D3 offline as the real fun is online playing with others. don't know why players are making such a big deal about it? Intenet is where the real Diablo is.


I doubt it will have any effect on piracy. As usual it will be the pirates playing without a problem while the paying players encounter all sorts.


Really? explain how. This is not just some DRM we are talking about where you need internet connection to play an offline mode. Example Ubisoft's Settlers 7 where if DRM removed can enable you to play offline but to go online you still need a valid code and no amount of piracy will help you.
In D3 there is no offline mode at all so you need a valid key to register and play on Blizzards servers. So how it will not effect piracy? now unless someone set ups private servers thats another issue and even MMOS suffer from that. But not a chance in hell that you can connect to official servers through pirated copy of D3.


People will be playing Offline and single player possibly before the game is even released.  Pirates find this kind of thing irrisistable.  You are right about the servers though. . that might be necessary if they set the game up like a standard MMO where spawns and loot data are kept on their server.  That might throw a wrench into it. . but again. . they like wrenches.



The thing they want to prevent with piracy is the general public taking it up. It's one thing if you have 1 guy playing D3 offline. It's another thing entirely if you have 10,000 people playing Diablo offline.

The other thing is that people playing online are part of the revenue stream. They'll put items in the Auction House so other players can buy them. Even if you play alone, you'll be more likely to contribute to the overall game if you're online. Some of those items might get sold for money, and Blizzard gets a cut of every transaction. I think it's much more building a community and generating money that they are after, not eliminating piracy.

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  Aethaeryn

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8/02/11 9:02:13 AM#44

What is with all the logical arguments in this thread?  Normally I get a bunch of garbage responses.  There is too much logic here and I didn't sleep well enough to handle it.  Maybe I have been spending too much time in FFA PvP threads. :)

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  hardicon

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8/02/11 9:16:30 AM#45

so there is no offline play so there is no single player, my game will constantly get interrupted by other players.  correct me if im wrong here, i never played diablo 2 online, i used it as a single players offline game when i was tired of mmos, and that is what i want diablo 3 for, a way to play and have fun without a mmo.  so if they are just gonna make diablo 3 a mmo-lite and force you to deal with other asshats err, people all the time, i dont know if i will like that especially if it requires a super high speed broadband connection to play since for some crazy reason att decided to stop running their high speed internet service on my street like 4 miles away.  oh well ill have to wait and see more on this but this seems like just setting up a way to get everyone to have to pay eventually and I want the game as a single player game.

I dont have an opinion on the auction house really because I dont know that much about it right now, is it gonna work as a craigs list where you can sell anything or just ingame stuff for real money.  could be good, could be bad, more information is needed on that imo.

  Aethaeryn

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8/02/11 9:23:33 AM#46

Looking for clarificaiton on something I can't seem to find.

Do I only have to be online?  I don't care about that. . can I still create a game with a password etc though?  If so then not a big deal for me at all.

I have not played Diablo online since the first one on a 7600 baud modem.

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  steamtank

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8/02/11 9:25:08 AM#47

I passed on SC2 only because i would have to buy it 3 times.  I was disappointed with the online varification stuff.

 

I will also pass on D3.

 

I run a buisness that uses paypal and ebay for about half of my transactions.  I understand the buisness model

 

i understand a LOT of players will lose money while trying to make it

i understand blizzard is triple dipping and (probably paypal) will single dip

 

I understand a new mentality is now going to be rampant in D3..... "how do i profit from this"  to a level never seen before.  Nothing divides people like money..... are YOU going to group with people that might get that magic $20 drop instead of you?

The idea of random grouping for fun will be overwritten with petty greed, so count me out.

 

I MIGHT have bought the game had it had a single player offline mode.... i could ignore the money grab, but now its in my face, so i cant.

 

They sacrificed the Diablo graphic style to attract more WoW player..... They sacrificed part of the customization so that players could do no wrong in deciding a build........ and they sacrificed honest gaming so that they could become the shady dealers of internet goods.

  Abdar

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8/02/11 9:33:52 AM#48

1. There is single player play, you still need to log in to your bnet account to play it. This is to remove piracy.  Blame the pirates, not Blizzard. This isn't 1999, the gaming world has changed.

2. The real money for items thing was H U G E in D2. When you were able to, on ebay, I sold over $2,000 US, in 2 months, on hardcore, towards the end of where a ton of people had already left. That was just me, no bots, just farming meph etc. It was a huge industry, and will be with D3. Taking it in house not only gives Blizz a piece of the pie, but also keeps the idiots from going to sketchy sites, downloading trojans, and giving Blizzards support people work for losing their accounts etc. Win/Win

And hell, instead of having 10 mule characters holding a bunch of crap, I have the legit chance to turn that into real money,  that's awesome. Getting paid to play Diablo..

  MarlonB

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8/02/11 9:46:20 AM#49

RMT ...awesome .... time to write more bots.

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  deniter

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8/02/11 9:57:14 AM#50

Gamer1 : '..we don't want games to be like a 2nd job..'

Gamer2 : '..can't you make games less grindy..'

Game Developer: 'We sure can, that's why we create D3. Have fun!'

  SirBalin

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8/02/11 10:02:37 AM#51
Originally posted by Ragnaven

No diablo 3 for me then I never played it (meaning any diablo) online, as well I have come to hate battlenet with  a passion that rivals how khan felt for kirk. To me this was a nail in a long awaited coffin for blizzard. They went to far and I am done, when I buy a game I want to be able to play that game. It should not need me to be online to do it, I should not need to get on the net. I paid the money, I should be able to enjoy it. The exception to this is MMO's which, all arguments aside, Diablo is not.

 

You can probably create your own server on login just like you could before, then just pw protect it and play alone.  Maybe they have certain things happening in the world that requires you to be online, doesn't mean you can't play solo.

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  crazynanny

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8/02/11 10:09:48 AM#52

1. This isn't MMO, just a lobby game. Play one and You'll know the difference. But in short: Your game - Your rules. And to answer someone question - You can set up a game make a password and play it as single player as no one will join without password. Or at least this is how all lobby games I played worked.

2. Blizz doesn't sell any items. This won't give them incentive to create content(or in this case game) around it.

3. Online only is I guess to make hacking/duping harder as You hide a lot of code. And of course to deal with piracy too.

4. I'd call a Blizz greedy if I didn't play whole SC2 campaign on guest account 100% free.

  sirphobos

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8/02/11 10:10:58 AM#53

No offline play is not surprising since Starcraft II was basically the same way.  It doesn't affect me at all since even in Diablo 2 I would still play online even if I was playing by myself just so I could use the same character(s) as when I played with friends.  Just create your own game and password protect it and don't give out the password.  I'd imagine D3 will probably even have some nicer way to play by yourself.

The online auction house I don't care for at all, but since I only really plan on playing by myself or with close friends, it doesn't affect me at all since i won't be using it.

  Bama1267

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8/02/11 10:14:59 AM#54
Originally posted by heerobya
Originally posted by Aethaeryn
Originally posted by Silver_Leaf

I'm so glad there's no offline play. Still, wish we had more than 5 players per game. 16+ at least.

Why would someone be glad there is no offline play. . did it bother you?  Would me sitting at home playing a game bother you?  I just don't get that. 

 If you then take the character online into a competitive environment, then yes, yes it would.

True, I do not understand why the just simply say "you can play offline, but that toon can never go online" and be done with it - offline and online characters, let people be "inconvenienced" by having to make two characters if they wish to (or are forced) to play a combination of online/offline play.

But, logically, I see why they are doing things this way.

 Wasnt that more or less what D2 did before. You play on closed If all you wanted to do was play online. You play on open If you wanted to play offline at times with the option of playing online?

  User Deleted
8/02/11 10:17:47 AM#55
Originally posted by heerobya
Originally posted by Onigod

i was really looking forward to this game but the graphics the gameplay and the rulesets in the world make it like a hybrid between WoW and diablo.

 and now this i will not be playing Diablo 3

 I'm sorry but your signature made me laugh.

You are not fooling anyone, despite your reservations you will very, very likely be picking up a copy of D3 when it comes out.

 

Sure, now you may not pre-order the Collector's Edition or even pick a copy up on launch day, but down the road sometime you will play this game if you are indeed "really looking forward to it."

 

This is true of many, if not most, of the haters that have been filling these forums with their mindless, illogical forum rage.

 I haven't picked up SC 1/3 yet. Not going to either and I waited years for that POS to come out. Pass on D-3 and no I wont be picking up this POS down the line either. Its wow lite. It looks like wow lite seems to be shaping up to play like wow lite etc ect. Even the runes are looking too streamlined blah blah I digress.

Online all the time to play any version ....Check

Cash shop .....Check

No mods........Check

Pass, and picks up Torchlight 2...   Check

 

And I am not a Hater. If it didn't have the online only I would probably get it. T2 is being made by the original BlizzNorth D2 guys anyway. More like what I fell in love with game wise anyway ..fuk it.

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8/02/11 11:20:40 AM#56

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Discussion of the online requirements: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/322888

Discussion of the AH: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/322867

 

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