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Zindaihas
Advanced Member
Joined: 5/07/06
'If you put govt in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 yrs there'd be a shortage of sand'~M. Friedman |
7/20/11 3:30:19 PM#161
Originally posted by Vato26 As you like saying, a lot of assumptions in that argument. You assume that a party girl who becomes a mother remains one. In the case of Casey Anthony, it was true. But many new mothers decide to take their parental responsibilites seriously and become good mothers. And even if they don't, that's not a guarantee that the child will grow up on welfare or end up in jail. Yes, the child would have a lot of obstacles to overcome and might fail to do so. But there are also many examples of those who have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg |
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7/20/11 4:06:12 PM#162
Originally posted by Zindaihas Crack babies, meth babies, heroine babies, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, child brain damage, autism (usually caused by FAS). Those are just some of the consequences of drinking or doing drugs while pregnant. Those children, especially brain damaged or severely autistic children end up depending on the system if they grow up to be adults. As you stated, they also have a ton of developmental issues due to the mother's drug use during their development. As you state, there probably are many new mothers that decide to change their ways when they become pregnant. However, there are many mothers who do not. There are also many mothers that revert to their old ways after they have their child. Thus, neglecting the child. Which means the child could either die or end up in DFS. |
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7/20/11 4:53:07 PM#163
Originally posted by seabass2003
You support killing babies! The idea is to project an image of shooting 3 year old children in the head (babies). It's silly. We're talking about abortion, not shooting 3 year old children in the head. There is a difference, so why not stick to the abortion debate, instead of pretending "mothers want to kill babies" (shoot 3 year olds in the head). A 3 year old child is also a baby. It is a baby that has just left the terrible two's and has mostly likely entered the terrible threes. Are we talking about 3 year old children? No, we are not. So why confuse the issue?
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7/20/11 5:39:49 PM#164
Originally posted by Ihmotepp Wait ...Ihmotepp is accusing me of "semantic tricks"? That's hilarious. This from the guy who says: - "it is the woman's body, so she gets to make the decisions" but "she's not responsible for preventing pregnancy." - "it is the woman's body, so she gets to make the decisions" but he's only allowing abortion in the first trimester, which "is reasonable." - wanting to stop abortions makes you "like the mullahs" but when he wants to ban mosques, that "makes sense."
I'm getting lectured by Mr. I Say Whatever I Want Even If It Doesn't Make Sense And Contradicts Myself Because I'm Ihmotepp.
LOLZ. |
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seabass2003
Novice Member
Joined: 8/31/05
Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways! |
7/20/11 6:37:14 PM#165
Originally posted by Ihmotepp This post makes no sense. In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect. |
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7/20/11 10:12:49 PM#166
Originally posted by seabass2003
I'll try and simplify it for you. Obama's health care is ruining the country! Why do you hate black people? Radical Islamists in Afghanistan have committed acts of international terrorism. Why do you hate all Muslims? Women should have the right to choose an abortion. Why do you want to murder babies?
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7/20/11 11:14:22 PM#167
That's Ihmotepp, who says that if you're against abortion, you're "like the Mullahs." Ironic, eh? |
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seabass2003
Novice Member
Joined: 8/31/05
Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways! |
7/20/11 11:30:03 PM#168
Originally posted by Ihmotepp It still doesn't make sense in relation to my post. In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect. |
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Finwe
Novice Member
Joined: 7/15/03
All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
7/24/11 5:42:15 AM#169
Originally posted by Vato26 Murder according to the law. But...That really doesn't matter. Because she comitted murder...According to the law. She did not. According to the law. OJ didn't commit murder. According to german law during WWII, hitler wasnt comitting murder. A corrupt, inefficient, and arbitrary system is hardly something to base what is considered murder and what is not. Also...A bit confused what your first paragraph was insinuating. If you meant to think I'm stupid enough to go out and kill this stupid bitch and end up executed or someones bitch for the next 30 years...That's why I'm stating opinion, and not doing it. So laugh all you want, your assumption was completely retarded.
And imhotepp...I don't want you to respond to logical points I make. Because you only respond with illogical ones filled with ridiculous strawman arguments and insane comparisons. By the way...What I said about you being crazy, wasn't really an insult. What is an insult, would be calling you a fucking retard. But in all reality...You are nuts. You more or less think anybody who disagrees is a terrorist. And so therefor, argueing with you would be the equivalency of argueing with ray charles about the colors of the rainbow. "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis "If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 |
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7/24/11 8:13:17 AM#170
Originally posted by Finwe
No, not anyone that disagrees with. Specifically you, for your views about controlling people's bodies. I believe it is a Totalitarian ideology, similar to how the Taliban ruled in Afghanistan, although perhaps less brutal. You only want to put the evil wicked sinful women in jail after all, not behead them, so I do give you credit for that. Democracy is nothing more than Tyranny of the Majority, without rights. |
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7/24/11 8:40:58 AM#171
Originally posted by Finwe As are your opinion on her guilt... completely retarded. I get it. You hate the system. Too damn bad for you that its here to stay. |
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Finwe
Novice Member
Joined: 7/15/03
All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
7/26/11 7:02:38 AM#172
Originally posted by Vato26
*clap* Wtg! Ignore everything I said and result to a strawman and an ad hominem in one! And no...The system is not here to stay. The collapse is immenent. Geez...Sinking down to imhotepps level. I actually felt debating with you was possible for a minute... Speaking of...
Imhotepp...You reinforced my point. Congrats. Everyone who disagrees with your point...Terrorist. Pretty much what I said, and pretty much what you just said. Oh, and surprisingly we do agree on one thing! Shocking! Democracy is a totalitarian mob rule. "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis "If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 |
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7/26/11 7:08:36 AM#173
I would make a very tasteless Casey Anthony joke right now, but my mom would kill me. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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7/26/11 7:55:47 AM#174
Originally posted by Finwe
No, we don't agree on that. That's the opinion of moral relativists, and I'm not a moral relativist. There's a difference between Mob rule Tyranny of the majority, and liberal free democracy with rights for discrete and insular minorities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspect_classification
This is what countries that have elections, but not a Bill of Rights to protect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc., are missing to make them free when compared to Western liberal Democracies. They don't protect people's rights. They just have a vote. A mere vote is nothing more than tyrrany of the majority, which I would never support. |
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7/26/11 9:32:16 AM#175
Originally posted by Finwe No strawman. It's facts. Your opinion of her guilt is completely meaningless and retarded. And, you have NO leg to stand on when calling out someone else on ad hominem attacks (blue highlight of your prior two replies above as with the blue in this reply). The fact remains, your opinion of her guilt is completely meaningless and retarded. You do not decide the law. The Judges and politicians decide the law. And, the law says that she is innocent. You wanting to kill her, even though she is innocent, under law, means that you are SPONSORING MURDER! You are just mad because you were caught in a contradiction and now you cannot get yourself out of it with an actual argument that isn't torn to shreds with logic. As to the green: Do you have a certified crystal ball? Are you a registered psychic? Do you have precognitive powers? No? Didn't think so. Just more wishful thinking from a Conservative. Also, please stop replying to Ihmotepp into replies to my post. It's disrespectful (which is your typical MO). If you want to reply to him, either make a new post or PM him. |
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Finwe
Novice Member
Joined: 7/15/03
All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
7/27/11 12:07:06 AM#176
Originally posted by Vato26
Oh God...The more I actually converse with you, the more ignorant I see you are. Assumption, Opinion = Two COMPLETELY different things. An assumption, when unfounded, as was your assumption, is devoid of any sound intellectual backing, and therefor retarded. My OPINION, though you might disagree with it, does not make it retarded on the basis of you having a differing view. Reading comp is your friend... As to the your first two paragraphs. I already responded to such in a previous post, which you decided to retort back with apparantly a "logical" response, which consisted of an inane strawman. Ya, really logical there buddy. Remember, just saying something doesn't make it true...Particularly when it's obvious it's not. Would you care to actually find this logic, and maybe some inkling of intellect and bring it to the table on your side? If not, don't bother responding, or I'll count you as a troll and just ignore any further statements you make that follow the same vein. To the third paragraph. No crystal ball, just at this venture in the road there would need to be a miracle to salvage a failing system. Doesn't really take tarot cards to see the obvious. To your last paragraph. Wow...I really try to refrain from base insults...But you're a fucking moron. It's a message board. Get your head out of your ass. If it's too complicated for you - Which it very well might be - Learn to deal with it. I have a style of posting, particularly in debates, that predates your joining of this site for many years. So frankly...I don't give a damn. If you think it's disrespectful, it's your own problem that you have to struggle with. Sorry pal...Nothing, and I do mean nothing, at all, revolves around you. "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis "If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 |
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xpowderx
Hard Core Member
Joined: 10/09/05
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. |
Originally posted by Finwe Has to be one of the best refutations I have seen in a long time! Success is your proof; |
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7/27/11 9:18:03 AM#178
Originally posted by Finwe |
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7/27/11 9:19:37 AM#179
Originally posted by xpowderx Of course you would think that. Because your insane hatred and obsession with me destroys any sense of logic or reason. On top of it, please stop using an alt. It's really pathetic. Oh, and only 5 more days till your next big "prediction" status update!!! |
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xpowderx
Hard Core Member
Joined: 10/09/05
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. |
Originally posted by Vato26 and? Success is your proof; |