I can say this much:  If they add chocobos you can breed like they did in FFXI, an auction, a mail system, and airships they'll increase their rating dramtically.

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

People wouldnt have minded if they released a review after 1.18, 4 days before the biggest patch (note I have never said miricle patch) is completly illogical unless they want the game to fail, and the only reason this site would is because SE gave them no money. I have not seen any logical arguments to wait till 4 days before a patch, this website is getting bad press on the official foums and fansites because of this out of date review, completly biased review

People such as Cynthe have been reasonable about it, just as many people on that thread. You and Abriael however have done but repeatedly condescended the reviewer over and over on this thread. Perhaps the most logical thing to do was - after expressing your concerns on this thread which you're obviously allowed to do - inquired with the writer through PMs for that their reasoning? 

 

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

Originally posted by ghostinfinit

I can say this much:  If they add chocobos you can breed like they did in FFXI, an auction, a mail system, and airships they'll increase their rating dramtically.

XD Yes indeed. Chocobos and airships are tentatively slated for 1.19. I'm one of those pushing for a proper AH and I think everyone is dying for mailing... 

Originally posted by lthompson94

 This situation isn't unique to FFXIV. It has happened a few times before for other games. The articles are written over a course of a few weeks so the timing isn't intentional. The bottom line is FFXIV should have a lower score when it was released in September, yet it got a 5.1 because the reviewers waited for some unknown reason. Niether of us know. They had a year to do fixes, and as of a few weeks ago and today, the game is still in a 5.1 state. 1.18 won't make it a 7.5, or a 8.0. If the reviewers constantly wait for patches then their article becomes out of date anyway.

Reviewers should not "constantly wait for patches."  They should be informed enough about the games they are reviewing to understand when certain patches are going to change the entire dynamic and gameplay of a certain game.  Those patches should be treated differently.  If they delayed a review because "They decided it wasn't ready," then they should have a clear understanding of their timing and the very events that they claim "aren't ready." 

This should have been an "Upcoming changes to FFXIV" article, not an "Official Review."  They missed their window, and should have taken the hit and not published this.  "It has happened  a few other times before with other games" just makes it worse.  They should be informend enough about the MMO industry to understand when to release certain information, and when not to.

Anyway, at this point we'll agree to disagree, this thread has sapped my energy.

 

We have known about this patch for a week, infact it was delayed so we have known it could come anytime for over 1 month this review should not be up

 I do play. I just logged in a few days ago. Maybe it's not so obvious.

No, not obvious at all since you continue to adhere to the "it's just an autoattack change" arguement.  You either don't play or have no idea what's in the patch.

I'm really sorry to inform you, but their are hundred's of MMO's. Unique systems are almost nonexistant, just less used ones.

Then why have an innovation score in the first place?  And how does any game score over a 0?

One part lowers the score by 1 or two points, changing the overall score by, what, .2 or .3?

Point is not the score necessarily.  It's the relevence of the content of the review. 

I know because 1.18 isn't a miracle patch, there is no such thing. 1.18 won't raise the score to acceptable MMORPG levels. It won't make it a 7.0, it won't make it a 8.0.

Again, opinion.

Anyway, can't do this anymore.  You will obviously think what you will. 

EDIT:  Sorry bout that, I said I was done... lol.  For real this time.

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

People wouldnt have minded if they released a review after 1.18, 4 days before the biggest patch (note I have never said miricle patch) is completly illogical unless they want the game to fail, and the only reason this site would is because SE gave them no money. I have not seen any logical arguments to wait till 4 days before a patch, this website is getting bad press on the official foums and fansites because of this out of date review, completly biased review

People such as Cynthe have been reasonable about it, just as many people on that thread. You and Abriael however have done but repeatedly condescended the reviewer over and over on this thread. Perhaps the most logical thing to do was - after expressing your concerns on this thread which you're obviously allowed to do - inquired with the writer through PMs for that their reasoning? 

 

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

 And your speculation is just that - speculation.

Also, really?

Originally posted by Delsus

"lol wheres my temp ban then, gotta keep trying lol "

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

Originally posted by Cynthe

 

XD Yes indeed. Chocobos and airships are tentatively slated for 1.19. I'm one of those pushing for a proper AH and I think everyone is dying for mailing... 

Just keep in mind that they haven't (afaik) stated how they'll be in or in what form. I've all ready seen some players assuming a lot of things regarding the chocobo issue.

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

 

If they have nothing to hide they will come out publicly if they have things to hide they wont, and your quote from what I said on the official foum was after Abriael got a temp ban for speaking hid mind about the corruption of this site just like me, so wheres my ban for speaking my mind.

This site is corrupt and will only give developers that give them money decent ratings

Originally posted by lthompson94

 I do play. I just logged in a few days ago. Maybe it's not so obvious.

No, not obvious at all since you continue to adhere to the "it's just an autoattack change" arguement.  You either don't play or have no idea what's in the patch.

I'm really sorry to inform you, but their are hundred's of MMO's. Unique systems are almost nonexistant, just less used ones.

Then why have an innovation score in the first place?  And how does any game score over a 0?

One part lowers the score by 1 or two points, changing the overall score by, what, .2 or .3?

Point is not the score necessarily.  It's the relevence of the content of the review. 

I know because 1.18 isn't a miracle patch, there is no such thing. 1.18 won't raise the score to acceptable MMORPG levels. It won't make it a 7.0, it won't make it a 8.0.

Again, opinion.

Anyway, can't do this anymore.  You will obviously think what you will. 

EDIT:  Sorry bout that, I said I was done... lol.  For real this time.

 Well I'll counter and then we'll call it a draw!

I play the game. :)

Innovation is taking systems and making them easier to use, more effective, or more productive. FFXIV has taken LOTS of their game designs and made it overy complicated to use. Menu-driven on a PC release? Click and activate skill and click? These are BACKWARDS of the industry.

Relevance. We're talking about different things here.

I'm not sure if I can agree on opinion here. 1.18, nor any singular patch (within this context), can raise ANY game from a 5.1 to a 8.0. There is no such thing as a miracle patch.

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

 

If they have nothing to hide they will come out publicly if they have things to hide they wont, and your quote from what I said on the official foum was after Abriael got a temp ban for speaking hid mind about the corruption of this site just like me, so wheres my ban for speaking my mind.

This site is corrupt and will only give developers that give them money decent ratings

 We could argue that SE paid off MMORPG.com to hold off the review for a X number of months.

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Cynthe

 

XD Yes indeed. Chocobos and airships are tentatively slated for 1.19. I'm one of those pushing for a proper AH and I think everyone is dying for mailing... 

Just keep in mind that they haven't (afaik) stated how they'll be in or in what form. I've all ready seen some players assuming a lot of things regarding the chocobo issue.

Yes they have, it's just basic chocobo rentals so far, they are looking into chocobo mounts you can raise and other animals. We don't know if the rentals are on rails or on a timer like XI though. Because that's SE for you, cryptic until the end. lol 

Edit: Found the actual post, they are not on rails:  http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/16145-CHOCOBOS%21%21%21%21%21%21%21-1.19%21%21%21%21?p=231739#post231739

Originally posted by Cynthe

Yes they have, it's just basic chocobo rentals so far, they are looking into chocobo mounts you can raise and other animals. We don't know if the rentals are on rails or on a timer like XI though. Because that's SE for you, cryptic until the end. lol 

EDIT: Almost at the exact same time :P Thanks

Muah ha I just edited my post !! :) You're welcome. 

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

 

If they have nothing to hide they will come out publicly if they have things to hide they wont, and your quote from what I said on the official foum was after Abriael got a temp ban for speaking hid mind about the corruption of this site just like me, so wheres my ban for speaking my mind.

This site is corrupt and will only give developers that give them money decent ratings

 We could argue that SE paid off MMORPG.com to hold off the review for a X number of months.

 

well if according to the review there has been no changes, because this is discribing the game at launch theres no mention of any new patches then I might agree you but not if tehy release it 4 days before a patch

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

 

If they have nothing to hide they will come out publicly if they have things to hide they wont, and your quote from what I said on the official foum was after Abriael got a temp ban for speaking hid mind about the corruption of this site just like me, so wheres my ban for speaking my mind.

This site is corrupt and will only give developers that give them money decent ratings

 We could argue that SE paid off MMORPG.com to hold off the review for a X number of months.

 

well if according to the review there has been no changes, because this is discribing the game at launch theres no mention of any new patches then I might agree you but not if tehy release it 4 days before a patch

 How is it describing the game at launch? Everything that is written is still things you play with today. Also,

Original Post

"Before we take a look at Final Fantasy XIV, I want to preface this article with a disclosure. Here at MMORPG.com, we are aware that games are always patching and game updates are pending pretty much forever. However, until those changes are live on the servers, we cannot anticipate how they will affect the gameplay or community, and therefore those rumors and announcements do not affect the score card detailed below. We feel we’ve waited more than long enough to give FFXIV a fair shake. Check back with us later this year for an update after those changes are live."

They've promised and said "Hey, we'll come back in a little while and see what's changed but we, and players, have waited long enough for this."

Just because they didn't exclusively say "Oh yeah there was patch 1.14 and patch 1.15 and then this and this" doesn't mean anything.

In all honesty, I am getting tired of reviews and people saying this is the worst MMO ever.

Listen up, FFXI had a horrible launch and horrible first year when it launched in Japan.  The NA got it a year after JP and had the more polished version.  Give FFXIV time to fix up, such as 1.18 on Friday.  FFXIV is repeating that, except Japan and the NA shared the launch this time.

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Delsus1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Delsus1

I dont want the reviewer to tell me privately why they posted the review, I want them to say why in public, it would be the right thing to do,  they failed by releasing this review now, it should all be on their head as I say the only reason they would is for a final kick in the balls for SE before 1.18

You're not going to get a response by repeatedly condescending the writer and website, which is most of what you've done on this account.

 

If they have nothing to hide they will come out publicly if they have things to hide they wont, and your quote from what I said on the official foum was after Abriael got a temp ban for speaking hid mind about the corruption of this site just like me, so wheres my ban for speaking my mind.

This site is corrupt and will only give developers that give them money decent ratings

 We could argue that SE paid off MMORPG.com to hold off the review for a X number of months.

 

well if according to the review there has been no changes, because this is discribing the game at launch theres no mention of any new patches then I might agree you but not if tehy release it 4 days before a patch

 How is it describing the game at launch? Everything that is written is still things you play with today. Also,

Original Post

"Before we take a look at Final Fantasy XIV, I want to preface this article with a disclosure. Here at MMORPG.com, we are aware that games are always patching and game updates are pending pretty much forever. However, until those changes are live on the servers, we cannot anticipate how they will affect the gameplay or community, and therefore those rumors and announcements do not affect the score card detailed below. We feel we’ve waited more than long enough to give FFXIV a fair shake. Check back with us later this year for an update after those changes are live."

 

I dont see the words "Sidequests" "Notorious Monsters" "SP ajustments" "Behest ajustments" these are things that should have been looked into for a new edited reveiw, because they are in the game right now

"It's simply absolutely silly to review a game just before a sizable patch. The fact that other patches (even in othr games) disappointed is no reason to downplay the very solid possibility that this one will improve FInal Fantasy XIV by a lot"

That quote made me chuckle.  Especially since every patch to date has been, at best, abyssmal.  Expecting a company constantly tilting at windmills to suddenly change course requires an immense amount of bravado.

This game does not need patches, it needs a complete rewrite.  Someone in a prior post said it best, this game takes the word tedious and puts an exclamation mark on it, and the upcoming patch changes that not at all. 

Originally posted by Master10K

Wow. I'm just surprised this game is almost a year old and yet this review would have remained mostly the same, if it was written within a month of the game's release. I mean, people may hate on a company like Trion but you have to give them credit for fixing a ton of issues and adding tangible content in the 4 months their game has been out.

 

The reason people dislike Trion's baby is the complete lack of originality, but the game is really polished. This you cannot say about FF IV, sadly.. I have also played in beta, and my god, the interface was just mind-numbingly painfull. It seems that almost after 1 year, all my complaints are still unresolved.